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    C'mon ladies, wake up and stop being used and played for political points.

    With a pen stroke and a press conference, President Obama used women to initiate a war on Religious freedom and with the media lapdogs panting at his heels, he made sure the Republicans, and especially the Catholic Church, were painted as misogynist zealots.

    Now he's leading this contrived and fraudulent battle over "women's health", and the so-called feminists have pinned women's entire well-being to a package of pills and reduced women to just vaginas and uteruses.

    [COLOR="red"] To insist that government or our employers must subsidize our sexual behavior makes us the most selfish, lazy, immature, and embarrassing society America has ever seen. [/COLOR] :yes:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. (Catholic Online) - After Sandra Fluke's testimony before Congress last week, two things became clear: 1) This controversy is political theater if I ever saw it, and 2) modern, secular "feminism" makes women stupid.

    Ms. Fluke has become the latest player in a drama that President Obama has manufactured and fueled for his own political gain. Fluke, the Georgetown law student who's actually an activist for Reproductive Justice, joined Nancy Pelosi, Kathleen Sebelius, Barbara Boxer, Cecile Richards (Planned Parenthood), Nancy Keenan (NARAL), and scores of other Congressional leaders and political activists who are bemoaning the trials of life without free birth control pills.

    Fluke, who was portrayed as a 23 year-old co-ed, is actually 30 years old and by her own admission chose to attend Georgetown precisely so she could battle their insurance policy since it does not cover contraceptives. What a handy witness she turned out to be last week on behalf of Obama's contraception mandate. [COLOR="red"]So important was she to Obama's theater show that he personally called her[/COLOR] to apologize for things Rush Limbaugh said on his program concerning her testimony.

    Fluke testified that she and her classmates have to spend $3,000 during their time at Georgetown on contraception, and it's simply an unbearable financial burden for them. If they paid top-dollar for birth control pills, that would be about $600 a year; $1,800 for three years. A box of condoms ranges from about $4.00 to $15.00. That's maybe another $100 a year, but still nowhere close to $3,000.

    [COLOR="red"]To put this in perspective, I can sponsor two children through World Vision for less than $100 a month. That money actually helps feed, clothe and educate a child, and improve the lot of her community as well. So you can feed, clothe and shelter a child in a poverty-stricken country, or you can subsidize an Ivy-league college student's sex life by buying her birth control.[/COLOR]:beatchair

    To give you another perspective, consider what's happening to active-duty military families and veteran retirees. Active-duty families will soon see their prescription costs increase while their access to civilian pharmacies shrinks. Military retirees are going to see their health insurance premiums skyrocket very soon, as Obamacare tries to force them off Tricare and onto one of the government exchange programs instead.

    So while active-duty military families are paying more for all their prescriptions -- medicines needed for actual illnesses -- Ivy-league college co-eds simply MUST be provided with free birth control.

    Meanwhile, unionized civilians health care benefits will be untouched. No additional costs for them, no sir. [COLOR="red"]Protect union workers; ask military families to sacrifice even more. From whom much is already asked, even more will be required.[/COLOR] Is this the new American way? [SIZE="1"]No it's the Obamunist way
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    [COLOR="red"]What Fluke and her peers need is not a legal education but a common sense, moral education. In about 30 minutes, they could all be taught how to manage their fertility without drugs, and their "birth control" would cost them absolutely nothing but self-control and mature decision-making. It's called personal responsibility. And you know what? It's very empowering![/COLOR]

    In the real world, when you don't have the money to pay for something you want, you do without it. Contraception is not food and water. It's not electricity and shelter. It's not a need at all. If Fluke wants birth control pills, fine, she can have them. She can also pay for them herself. No one is obligated to provide them for her. :applause:

    This is the epitome of the entitlement society and mentality that we now live in. Not to mention the most hypocritical. [COLOR="red"]We demand the government stay out of our bedrooms while also demanding the government pay for our contraception.[/COLOR] [SIZE="1"]thats moonbattery right there, folks! [/SIZE] :rotfl:

    These modern "feminists" like Fluke will shout, "My body, my choice" and "stay out of my uterus" and most of all, "the Church has no right to tell me what to do with my body!" But now she is demanding that same government, that same Church must relieve her of the cost and responsibility for her own personal choices and bear the burden themselves.

    Is this really the future of young American women? Do they really not have the brains to figure out that if they don't have promiscuous, premarital sex, they don't need to worry about paying for contraceptives? As an added bonus, they also won't have to worry about STD's and unwanted pregnancy. [COLOR="red"]Why is that simple concept so hard to grasp[/COLOR]?

    It's infuriating to me as a woman that this entire controversy is being played as a "war on women" and that this asinine contraceptive mandate is for the sake of "women's health." Artificial hormones bring with them serious risks for women and pose a real danger to women's health. Pumping a woman's -- worse, a young girl's still-growing body -- full of these artificial hormones should not be anyone's idea of the right way to take care of a woman's health.

    Fertility is not a disease. How insulting to suggest that women require artificial hormones, contraceptive devices, and abortion in order to be happy, healthy, and prosperous. :slam:

    The language of this mandate and the rhetoric being used to defend it is insidious. Preventing pregnancy is equated with women's health. Preventing children is equated with women's well-being. Pregnancy = unhealthy and expensive. No pregnancy = healthy and cost-saving. Children have become the enemy. Children are now threatening, ominous dollar signs that we must strategically avoid.

    [COLOR="red"]This is really a mandate against life. What begins with pills in order to prevent pregnancy and save money will eventually become mandated abortions to eliminate children, especially disabled, "imperfect", medically expensive ones. America is not immune to this progression. We're submitting to it right now, and modern, secular "feminists" are leading the way.
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    The "feminists" swear that this is all about protecting women and their choices, blah blah blah. Baloney. [COLOR="red"]The irony is this mandate only further puts the responsibility of pregnancy and children totally on women, leaving men with nothing to do but use women for their sexual gratification and then walk away. Train the guys well to make sure their girlfriend is on the Pill so he can get what he wants, and then when the contraceptives fail, she can walk into Planned Parenthood where they've been waiting for her and she can get "her problem" taken care of.[/COLOR]

    Teach those young boys now that girls are just vaginas with a pretty face.

    Greater access to contraceptives does not prevent unplanned pregnancy. Just the opposite. If people think they can have worry-free, consequence-free sex, they have more sex more often with more partners. And since contraception fails, more pregnancies result.

    Face it; Cecile Richards doesn't love this mandate because she wants to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies. She doesn't want to put herself out of business. She loves this mandate because she knows that it will bring her more business. [COLOR="red"]More promiscuous sexual activity means more STD's and more pregnancies. And those "unwanted" babies will need to be gotten rid of for the sake of the woman's future, so Cecile and company will be there holding the doors open to their abortion mills, happily counting their cash.
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    President Obama has created this contraception brouhaha for the express purpose of getting women in a tizzy before November. He plans to stoke the fire even further at Barnard College in New York, where he just made himself the commencement speaker.

    "Word of Mr. Obama's appearance at Barnard, a 123-year-old women's college in New York City, comes as the White House and Democrats have seized on Republican attempts to block a requirement for contraception coverage [COLOR="red"]in the new health care law, saying it amounts to a "war on women." Democrats believe the issue could be an effective rallying point with women voters in a presidential election year, and the decision to appear at the prestigious women's school could provide a high-profile forum for the president on that front."
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    He called and invited himself, displacing Jill Abramson from the NY Times, who was already scheduled to give the commencement speech.

    Whatever else he talks about in his speech, it ought to be alarmingly clear that this President is not interested in freedom. Barack Obama doesn't want to be the leader of a free republic. He wants to be King. He wants to be the Sovereign. He doesn't govern or lead -- he simply issues mandates from on-high. So what if our Constitution guarantees the Freedom of Religion? He's been telling us for years now that it's really just the "Freedom of worship", and if it gets in the way of his dictatorial edicts, well, then to hell with it.

    C'mon ladies, wake up and stop being used and played for political points. This contraception theater show is insulting and women deserve better.



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    Jennifer Hartline is a grateful Catholic, a proud Army wife and homeschooling mother of three children. She is a contributing writer for Catholic Online. She doesn't need any contraception, thank you.

    [url]http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=45037&page=2[/url]

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    There are many excellent points in this article. Thanks for sharing.

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    Cecile Richards is doing this for personal gain!

    The financial truth of medicine is that preventative care is cheaper than treatment.

    If you have health insurance, contraception should be covered - because it's in the insurance company's interest and your interest for you to stay healthy and only procreate when you're ready.

    Every other argument is crap.

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    [QUOTE=Ernie;4385346]There are many excellent points in this article. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]

    I can sum up that article with one smilie

    :royal_flu

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385356]Cecile Richards is doing this for personal gain!

    The financial truth of medicine is that preventative care is cheaper than treatment.

    If you have health insurance, contraception should be covered - because it's in the insurance company's interest and your interest for you to stay healthy and only procreate when you're ready.

    Every other argument is crap.[/QUOTE]

    Would you say that going to the gym is cheaper then heart surgery? If so shouldn't insurance companies cover gym memberships? Also, I would think that eating healthier would prevent health issues. Insurance companies should be mandated to pay for health foods? No? OK food isn't really medical. What about vitamins? Plenty of poor people cant afford basic vitamins. Studies show that taking vitamins and supplements improves health. Fewer illnesses, fewer doctors visits. There is no doubt that insurance should provide free vitamins and supplements for those that want them right?? What about condoms? Condoms prevent pregnancy but they also prevent STD's. STD's cost money to treat. AIDS and Hep C can cost hundreds of thousands. By your standard Government should mandate free condoms for anyone that wants them right?

    Womens health is really important. But so is Mens health correct? What about childrens health? Wouldn't our dollars be better spent covering kids immunizations completely with no copay? Kids can't pay for themselves. They don't work.

    The point to all of this is that this issue is completely absurd. It is politics at its ugliest. The Fluke girl is an ugly example of the entitlement society Obama and his progressive allies prefer we become. Today in America there are no women that do not have access to these pills. They simply need to head to their nearest Planned Parenthood type clinic and get them free. This is progressive politics at its ugliest.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4385404]Would you say that going to the gym is cheaper then heart surgery? If so shouldn't insurance companies cover gym memberships? Also, I would think that eating healthier would prevent health issues. Insurance companies should be mandated to pay for health foods? No? OK food isn't really medical. What about vitamins? Plenty of poor people cant afford basic vitamins. Studies show that taking vitamins and supplements improves health. Fewer illnesses, fewer doctors visits. There is no doubt that insurance should provide free vitamins and supplements for those that want them right?? What about condoms? Condoms prevent pregnancy but they also prevent STD's. STD's cost money to treat. AIDS and Hep C can cost hundreds of thousands. By your standard Government should mandate free condoms for anyone that wants them right?

    Womens health is really important. But so is Mens health correct? What about childrens health? Wouldn't our dollars be better spent covering kids immunizations completely with no copay? Kids can't pay for themselves. They don't work.

    The point to all of this is that this issue is completely absurd. It is politics at its ugliest. The Fluke girl is an ugly example of the entitlement society Obama and his progressive allies prefer we become. Today in America there are no women that do not have access to these pills. They simply need to head to their nearest Planned Parenthood type clinic and get them free. This is progressive politics at its ugliest.[/QUOTE]

    If you don't go to the gym or take your vitamins you're not at risk for HIV or bringing an unwanted child into the world.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4385404]Would you say that going to the gym is cheaper then heart surgery? If so shouldn't insurance companies cover gym memberships? Also, I would think that eating healthier would prevent health issues. Insurance companies should be mandated to pay for health foods? No? OK food isn't really medical. What about vitamins? Plenty of poor people cant afford basic vitamins. Studies show that taking vitamins and supplements improves health. Fewer illnesses, fewer doctors visits. There is no doubt that insurance should provide free vitamins and supplements for those that want them right?? What about condoms? Condoms prevent pregnancy but they also prevent STD's. STD's cost money to treat. AIDS and Hep C can cost hundreds of thousands. By your standard Government should mandate free condoms for anyone that wants them right?

    Womens health is really important. But so is Mens health correct? What about childrens health? Wouldn't our dollars be better spent covering kids immunizations completely with no copay? Kids can't pay for themselves. They don't work.

    The point to all of this is that this issue is completely absurd. It is politics at its ugliest. The Fluke girl is an ugly example of the entitlement society Obama and his progressive allies prefer we become. Today in America there are no women that do not have access to these pills. They simply need to head to their nearest Planned Parenthood type clinic and get them free. This is progressive politics at its ugliest.[/QUOTE]

    :royal_flu

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385417]If you don't go to the gym or take your vitamins you're not at risk for HIV or bringing an unwanted child into the world.[/QUOTE]

    OK so earlier you said this was about economics. You said that giving out free birth control and morning after pills should be done because it will save insurance companies money due to having to pay for fewer abortions and births. Now you are backing off of that and saying what exactly? What does HIV have to do with free pills? What is your point exactly? Why should they give free birth control pills but not give out free condoms?

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385417]If you don't go to the gym or take your vitamins you're not at risk for HIV or bringing an unwanted child into the world.[/QUOTE]

    Try staying out of the bath-house.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4385476]OK so earlier you said this was about economics. You said that giving out free birth control and morning after pills should be done because it will save insurance companies money due to having to pay for fewer abortions and births. Now you are backing off of that and saying what exactly? What does HIV have to do with free pills? What is your point exactly? Why should they give free birth control pills but not give out free condoms?[/QUOTE]

    Backing off it? No.

    You're response was comparing gym membership and vitamins to contraception.

    My point was, nobody gets pregnant or STD's from [I]not[/I] going to the gym and [I]not[/I] taking their vitamins. So if we look at it economically, it's not nearly as much of a risk to NOT fund/mandate/incentivize/insure gym memberships and vitamins.

    The right has it wrong on this from an economic perspective and a public health perspective. Economically it's cheaper for insurance companies to provide preventative care. As for public health, ensuring that women have both birth control pills as well as sponges/diaphragms/condoms, helps stop the spread of disease and LOWER the number of abortions.

    The vitamin and gym membership argument is a bad argument.

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4385480]Try staying out of the bath-house.[/QUOTE]

    Yea, it's so gay to support contraceptive coverage for women...

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385514]Yea, it's so gay to support contraceptive coverage for women...[/QUOTE]

    Uh no, that's not what I said, but go ahead and run with it any way.

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385508]Backing off it? No.

    You're response was comparing gym membership and vitamins to contraception.

    My point was, nobody gets pregnant or STD's from [I]not[/I] going to the gym and [I]not[/I] taking their vitamins. So if we look at it economically, it's not nearly as much of a risk to NOT fund/mandate/incentivize/insure gym memberships and vitamins.

    The right has it wrong on this from an economic perspective and a public health perspective. Economically it's cheaper for insurance companies to provide preventative care. As for public health, ensuring that women have both birth control pills as well as sponges/diaphragms/condoms, helps stop the spread of disease and LOWER the number of abortions.

    The vitamin and gym membership argument is a bad argument.[/QUOTE]

    So HIV and unwanted babies are more of a financial burden than obesity, heart disease, and the many other health issues exercise/vitamins can prevent?

    Link?

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4385340]C'mon ladies, wake up and stop being used and played for political points. This contraception theater show is insulting and women deserve better.

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    Personally, I hate the idea of insurance covering contraceptives, but perhaps it will prevent a lot of those abortions?

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet;4385542]Personally, I hate the idea of insurance covering contraceptives, but perhaps it will prevent a lot of those abortions?[/QUOTE]

    Not a lot of $$$ in birth control pills. If there was, you bet that the drug manufacturers would be lobbying to make it mandatory :D and we would not be hearing this "news"...

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4385526]So HIV and unwanted babies are more of a financial burden than obesity, heart disease, and the many other health issues exercise/vitamins can prevent?

    Link?[/QUOTE]

    My point is unwanted pregnancies and STD's are a greater risk to society than obesity and vitamin deficiencies.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4385553]Not a lot of $$$ in birth control pills. If there was, you bet that the drug manufacturers would be lobbying to make it mandatory :D and we would not be hearing this "news"...[/QUOTE]

    They lobbiests argued to make them mandatory and they got what they wanted. The scary part is the floodgate that they opened is endless. Even the person here defending the mandate can't explain how its different from mandating free condoms or gym memberships or vitamins or basically anything that claims to be good for your health.

    Was this even an issue yesterday? Women that want to use birth control can buy it. Insurance plans with prescription coverage pay a copay for it just like any other prescription. Men that want condoms buy them. They are cheap. Those that cant afford them are provided them free at local clinics. Where is the problem. There is ZERO evidence that giving out these pills for free will cause more people to use them. The only difference is that the people currently buying them will now be provided them free. It is a new entitlement that the broke government will pay for or pass on to the people.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4385583]Was this even an issue yesterday? Women that want to use birth control can buy it. Insurance plans with prescription coverage pay a copay for it just like any other prescription. Men that want condoms buy them. They are cheap. Those that cant afford them are provided them free at local clinics. Where is the problem. There is ZERO evidence that giving out these pills for free will cause more people to use them. The only difference is that the people currently buying them will now be provided them free. It is a new entitlement that the broke government will pay for or pass on to the people.[/QUOTE]

    <sigh>

    would be really cool to have a girl post here and get her thoughts on the issue...

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4385564]My point is unwanted pregnancies and STD's are a greater risk to society than obesity and vitamin deficiencies.[/QUOTE]

    Chemical birth control methods [I]increase[/I] the risk of STDs.

    Among a myriad of other increased risks like heart disease and stroke.

    But don't facts get in the way of repeating talking points to perpetuate the "war on women" myth.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4385740]Chemical birth control methods [I]increase[/I] the risk of STDs.

    Among a myriad of other increased risks like heart disease and stroke.

    But don't facts get in the way of repeating talking points to perpetuate the "war on women" myth.[/QUOTE]

    Is it cheaper to insure one individual or a family plan? What costs insurance companies more money?

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