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Thread: The Mandate, Healthcare, and What It Means If Struck Down

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    The Mandate, Healthcare, and What It Means If Struck Down

    I hope my right leaning friends are prepared for what will be pushed, and may even pass, if Obamacare's "mandate" is struck down.

    If it is, I see a National Healthcare System, based directly on Taxation, not a mandate, being pushed and possibly implemented. Unlike the mandate, a tax-based, everyone pays, everyone can get coverage/service, type system will not be struck down, as it's along the same lines as other federal programs (i.e. Social Security for one), and is based on taxation and Govt. spending, not on a personal madate.

    You may win the battle vs. Obamacare, and find out shortly thereafter that you've lost the War on Healthcare, facing a Euro-Style National System, or at the very least, the "Public Option" type system our friend Ken loves so much, where the "Govt. Option" will quickly out-"compete" the private options, and wind up with 75%+ of us on the Govt. System, just like France, Germany and elsewhere.

    Be mindful of what you wish for on this issue. The end results could be much the opposite of what you really want to see, policy wise.

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    Not a chance. If this law is stricken down there will not be large scale healthcare reform. I see a series of bills designed to lower the cost. There are bills that have been passed in the house allowing portability of insurance and allowing small businesses to bundle together to purchase lower cost insurance typically reserved for large businesses. Maybe some tort reform. Things along those lines.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4399320]Not a chance.[/QUOTE]

    Funny....

    .....thats exactly what I used to think about things like the Mandate, socialism/communims/collectivism in America, and endless pointless Wars like Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Guess we'll see.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4399320]I see a series of bills designed to lower the cost. [/QUOTE]

    Oh. So you want the government to get involved. Nice.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4399356]Oh. So you want the government to get involved. Nice.[/QUOTE]

    He never said he wanted that, he was making a prediction as to what will happen. There is a difference.

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    Would be far better to have this law struck down if it meant we'd eventually get a public option...

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4399320]Not a chance. If this law is stricken down there will not be large scale healthcare reform. I see a series of bills designed to lower the cost. There are bills that have been passed in the house allowing portability of insurance and allowing small businesses to bundle together to purchase lower cost insurance typically reserved for large businesses. Maybe some tort reform. Things along those lines.[/QUOTE]

    So in other words they will pass bills that have no real effect on reducing healthcare costs. Nice.

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    In my opinion, Washington is too disfunctional and divided to assume that anything would take the place of a stuck down ACA in the near future.

    Obamacare = old health care system + increased Medicaid + a few individual and coverage mandates

    Take away Obamacare and I see the old health care system for the foreseeable future.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4399817]So in other words they will pass bills that have no real effect on reducing healthcare costs. Nice.[/QUOTE]

    As opposed to passing bills that double them. Nice.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4399817]So in other words they will pass bills that have no real effect on reducing healthcare costs. Nice.[/QUOTE]

    your guy passed an "affordable healthcare act" that has already contributed to a massive increase in premiums. Even worse though is that it carries a slew of new taxes. Worse than that is in addition to the higher premiums and slew of new taxes it will also be in the hole for 2 trillion over 10 years. That means in order to pay for it a new set of taxes will need to be enacted to cover an additional 200billion per year. 200Billion will require a 3% payroll tax on everyone to cover it.

    The bills I mentioned carry no government cost whatsoever and would reduce expenses for everyone. Especially small businesses. Your post makes it clear that you don't understand economics. One could say you are a typical liberal.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4400524]your guy passed an "affordable healthcare act" that has already contributed to a massive increase in premiums. Even worse though is that it carries a slew of new taxes. Worse than that is in addition to the higher premiums and slew of new taxes it will also be in the hole for 2 trillion over 10 years. That means in order to pay for it a new set of taxes will need to be enacted to cover an additional 200billion per year. 200Billion will require a 3% payroll tax on everyone to cover it.

    The bills I mentioned carry no government cost whatsoever and would reduce expenses for everyone. Especially small businesses. Your post makes it clear that you don't understand economics. One could say you are a typical liberal.[/QUOTE]

    Who is you guys?
    I wanted a tax payer supported public option. This is what was promissed and one of Obamas failures in my opinion.
    The bills you have mentioned have been tried at the state level and have been epic failures at reducing health care costs. Please pick up a book about this important topic and stop regurgitating the same failed policies that have been tried. Start with dome of the papers coming out of Dartmouth.
    Your post makes it clear you have no clue about healthcare.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4399250]I hope my right leaning friends are prepared for what will be pushed, and may even pass, if Obamacare's "mandate" is struck down.

    If it is, I see a National Healthcare System, based directly on Taxation, not a mandate, being pushed and possibly implemented. Unlike the mandate, a tax-based, everyone pays, everyone can get coverage/service, type system will not be struck down, as it's along the same lines as other federal programs (i.e. Social Security for one), and is based on taxation and Govt. spending, not on a personal madate.

    You may win the battle vs. Obamacare, and find out shortly thereafter that you've lost the War on Healthcare, facing a Euro-Style National System, or at the very least, the "Public Option" type system our friend Ken loves so much, where the "Govt. Option" will quickly out-"compete" the private options, and wind up with 75%+ of us on the Govt. System, just like France, Germany and elsewhere.

    Be mindful of what you wish for on this issue. The end results could be much the opposite of what you really want to see, policy wise.[/QUOTE]
    For those of us who see the direct effect on the working public, a public option is NOT the worst case scenario. I would in fact support it. I am tired of seeing waiters, landscapers, office workers all opt out of employer healthcare because they can't afford the $100 of employee cost.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4401287]For those of us who see the direct effect on the working public, a public option is NOT the worst case scenario. I would in fact support it. I am tired of seeing waiters, landscapers, office workers all opt out of employer healthcare because they can't afford the $100 of employee cost.[/QUOTE]

    A public option is the only true solution to healthcare costs. Everything else is just political jibberish.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4401287]For those of us who see the direct effect on the working public, a public option is NOT the worst case scenario. I would in fact support it. I am tired of seeing waiters, landscapers, office workers all opt out of employer healthcare because they can't afford the $100 of employee cost.[/QUOTE]

    It's a shame more people who share your view didn't speak up before ObummerCare was passed.

    We were all lead to believe that if we instituted a public option that Joseph Stalin would rise from the dead, go to a state-of -the-art genetic research facility, clone himself thousands of times and then send his clone army out to anally rape Americans every other day and then force them to sodomize a potato and a bottle of vodka.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4401448]A public option is the only true solution to healthcare costs. Everything else is just political jibberish.[/QUOTE]

    I literally see such negative affects of Obama care. Many small clients are dropping health care and or stopped hiring due to the unknowns.

    A public option is agreeable by me. Make NO MISTAKE..the rich will still buy the best thus creating a 1 percent health care group.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4401275]Who is you guys?
    I wanted a tax payer supported public option. This is what was promissed and one of Obamas failures in my opinion.
    The bills you have mentioned have been tried at the state level and have been epic failures at reducing health care costs. Please pick up a book about this important topic and stop regurgitating the same failed policies that have been tried. Start with dome of the papers coming out of Dartmouth.
    Your post makes it clear you have no clue about healthcare.[/QUOTE]

    I research topics before I post opinions here. Your political ideology automatically qualifies you as a fool. Everything you post on starts out with that initial qualification. Here once again you come off as a fool. Public health is the failed European Model. It carries the triple whammy of extremely high costs to the government, much higher taxes, and poor quality healthcare. To pine for such a thing shows your lack of knowledge and research on the topic.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4402032]Public health is the failed European Model. [/QUOTE]

    Hence why everyone in Europe is dead. They're all dead. America's life expectency is 240% more than every other country in the world.

    Leeeeet the eagle sooooooooar!

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4402032]I research topics before I post opinions here. Your political ideology automatically qualifies you as a fool. Everything you post on starts out with that initial qualification. Here once again you come off as a fool. Public health is the failed European Model. It carries the triple whammy of extremely high costs to the government, much higher taxes, and poor quality healthcare. To pine for such a thing shows your lack of knowledge and research on the topic.[/QUOTE]

    Costs aside...Medicare works in its basic form. It is full of corruption as all government models but we have too many Americans in need of basic dental health, shots, basic medicines etc. The current system is perhaps the most inefficient.

    Some families have 2 insurance policies, never ask the price and others have none.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4401448]A public option is the only true solution to healthcare costs. Everything else is just political jibberish.[/QUOTE]

    So, for the record, if I changed my mind and supported a UK Style System, I would then be a stupid fool talking political jibberish?

    Just want to know, just in case. You never know, after all.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4402057]Hence why everyone in Europe is dead. They're all dead. America's life expectency is 240% more than every other country in the world.

    Leeeeet the eagle sooooooooar![/QUOTE]

    Instead of snide comments why don't you ask a Brittish or Canadian person about their experience? I have. The concept of getting an appointment "tomorrow" is unheard of to them. Tests are scheduled and take weeks or months for appointments. I don't care about your politics or ideologies. When someone is sick or needs testing to determine things like cancer and ALS and such there is no excuse for waiting weeks or months for testing appointments. Why someone would went to take a system that works and replace it with one in which quality and timing of care is reduced is unthinkable.

    Those that support that type of system simply don't understand the negatives. The number one advocate here Kenya also advocates for death panels as a way to control costs. Putting the power to end lives in the hands of beurocrats and accountants is apparently the leftist way.

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