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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4410633]I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he doesn't want to finance infanticide.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, but he probably wants to take Sanchez's job, which is basically the same thing.

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    well ....

    [img]http://blog.syracuse.com/strangecny/2008/02/exorcist%20photo.jpg[/img]


    :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=kelly;4410698]well ....

    [img]http://blog.syracuse.com/strangecny/2008/02/exorcist%20photo.jpg[/img]


    :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    That's a great analogy as a matter of fact. On November 7th, Obama is going to be exercised. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4410718]That's a great analogy as a matter of fact. On November 7th, Obama is going to be [B]exercised[/B]. :yes:[/QUOTE]

    Hes going to work out? :confused:

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4400354]It's a rhetorical question, the answer is no.

    I feel really good about this upcoming election, I think our American dictator will finally be crossing the Rubicon, shortly. I don't care who the challenger is as long as he can fog a mirror, and has a pulse.

    [B][U]Do They Know Who They’re Messing With?[/U][/B]

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    tl;dr


    But, to answer the question you posed, the Japanese kicked the catholic churches a** in the 17th century, and the church was never able to recover and establish catholicism there. The Chinese did quite nice as well, although they did not ironically crucify any catholics as far as I know. Not sure though.

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    It's a good thing for B.O. North Carolina's not a swing state... oh wait. :rotfl:

    Charlotte, N.C., Mar 20, 2012 / 02:06 am (CNA/EWTN News).- A community of cloistered nuns and a future regional seminary plan to occupy newly purchased property in Cleveland County, N.C., to serve a flourishing Catholic population.
    The Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration and the Winston-Salem, N.C.-based Te Deum Foundation will acquire 484 acres valued at $2.9 million in Mooresboro, which is about 60 miles west of Charlotte.

    “Most seminaries only teach how to close parishes, cluster parishes, and how to administer to several parishes in light of dwindling numbers of Catholics,” the foundation said on their website. “Praise be to God that this is not a problem in the South!”

    The planned seminary, for which 151 acres have been set aside, will be the only one in Georgia, Florida and North and South Carolina, the Catholic News Herald reported. Seminarians from the Diocese of Charlotte currently attend seminaries in Maryland, Ohio and Rome.

    The Te Deum Foundation website said that seminarians in Southern dioceses would be “blessed” to be able to stay in their own region. In addition to the necessary academics and formation, they could learn how to approach “the everyday challenges of living in the 'Bible Belt'” as well as how to open parishes and build churches.


    [url]http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/southern-catholic-boom-advances-plans-for-seminary/[/url]

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    Uh oh

    [QUOTE]TRENTON — As part of a survey to understand why they have stopped attending Mass, a few hundred Catholics in the Trenton Diocese were asked what issues they would raise with Bishop David O’Connell if they could speak to him for five minutes.
    O’Connell would have gotten an earful.
    Their reasons ranged from the personal ("the pastor who crowned himself king and looks down on all") to the political ("eliminate the extreme conservative haranguing") to the doctrinal ("don’t spend so much time on issues like homosexuality and birth control").
    In addition, they said, they didn’t like the church’s handling of the clergy sex abuse scandal and were upset that divorced and remarried Catholics are unwelcome at Mass.
    The findings are included in a report commissioned by the Diocese and presented Thursday at the "Lapsed Catholics" conference at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
    Conducted by Villanova University’s Center for the Study of Church Management, the survey, called "Empty Pews" asked Catholics in the Trenton Diocese a series of questions about church doctrine and parish life to better understand why they are staying home. The state’s second largest diocese, the diocese serves about 830,000 Catholics in Mercer, Monmouth, Burlington and Ocean counties.
    The responses can be divided into two categories, said Charles Zech, who co-authored the study and is director of the Villanova center. In one category are "the things that can’t change but that we can do a better job explaining." The other category, he said "are some things that aren’t difficult to fix."
    Zech and the Rev. William Byron, SJ, professor of business and society at St. Joseph’s University in Philadelphia, conducted the survey of 298 parishioners who have stopped attending Mass. Almost two-thirds of the respondents were female, and the median age was 53, two facts Zech finds troubling.
    "That’s a critical demographic. If we’re losing the 53-year-old women, we risk losing their children and their grandchildren," he said.
    About a quarter of the respondents said they still consider themselves Catholic despite not attending Mass. About half offered negative comments about their parish priests, whom they described as "arrogant," "distant" and "insensitive."
    "One respondent said ‘Ask a question and you get a rule, you don’t get a ‘let’s sit down and talk about it’ response,’" Zech said. "They feel no one is willing to explain things to them."
    Respondents also said they were troubled by the church’s views of gays, same-sex marriage, women priests and the handling of the sex abuse crisis.
    RELATED COVERAGE:
    • Trenton Diocese must pay over $1M in priest sex-abuse case settlement
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    Criticism of the sex scandal was predictable, Zech said.
    "That doesn’t surprise anybody. They did not manage that well, and they are still not managing it well," Zech said. "It hasn’t gone away."
    The respondents also called for better homilies, better music and more accountability of the church staff.

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    [url]http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/trenton_diocese_catholics_who.html#incart_hbx[/url]
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    If the Catholic Church was doing as well as FF thinks it is Catholic schools wouldn't be closing all over.

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    Upward mobility in urban areas left many parishes to today's impoverished who net can only take and not add to resources. Hence the closures.

    Nothing to do with how they are managed or who owns them. Plenty of antiquated/disused public schools have been abandoned/converted to other uses too.

    [URL]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929589,00.html[/URL]

    A few hundred survey respondents represent the views of 830,000...only in lib fantasy land

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    Parishes closing, schools closing, cant find new straight priests or nun, membership down, lawsuits costing millions.

    The Cathoilic Church needs a bid marketing effort with some pazazz.

    Maybe new uniforms?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4415244]Parishes closing, schools closing, cant find new straight priests or nun, membership down, lawsuits costing millions.

    The Cathoilic Church needs a bid marketing effort with some pazazz.

    Maybe new uniforms?[/QUOTE]

    One of the biggest issues with the church is somehow a fee became involved when it comes to everything. Child out of wedlock 500$ and the child can be baptized, divorced 800$ and it will annulled.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4415246]One of the biggest issues with the church is somehow a fee became involved when it comes to everything. Child out of wedlock 500$ and the child can be baptized, divorced 800$ and it will annulled.[/QUOTE]

    How much to forgive one little gay slip up at summer camp?

    I,m asking for a friend.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4415249]How much to forgive one little gay slip up at summer camp?

    I,m asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]

    Flaming gay or just a little gay? It matters.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4415255]Flaming gay or just a little gay? It matters.[/QUOTE]

    Just a little. One time deal.

    How much?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4415284]Just a little. One time deal.

    How much?[/QUOTE]

    I know a church who needs basketball jerseys.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4415221]Upward mobility in urban areas left many parishes to today's impoverished who net can only take and not add to resources. Hence the closures.

    Nothing to do with how they are managed or who owns them. Plenty of antiquated/disused public schools have been abandoned/converted to other uses too.

    [URL]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929589,00.html[/URL]

    A few hundred survey respondents represent the views of 830,000...only in lib fantasy land[/QUOTE]

    Go into church tomorrow morning, it won't be as crowded as it would have been 20 years ago. The parishes are shrinking.

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    [B][U]Mr. Obama’s Kulturkampf?[/U][/B]

    TIME Magazine’s nation editor, Amy Sullivan, thinks all this talk of President Obama’s “war” on religious liberty is overwrought. She told a recent Georgetown gathering that it was absurd to claim the latest Mandate from HHS ranks with such horrible events in American history as the Philadelphia Bible Riots of 1844.


    To be sure, those riots were terrible. Catholics and Protestants in the City of Brotherly Love attacked each others’ churches in a series of violent clashes that left several dead. In nearby New York , however, the situation remained tense but calm. That’s because Catholic Archbishop “Dagger John” Hughes made it clear that if a single Catholic Church was torched, he’d make sure New York looked like “a second Moscow.”

    The reference was to Napoleon’s burning the Russian city in 1812. (The “dagger” referred to was for his piercing sermons, and perhaps his Irish wit, not for any weapons he carried. Thank God.)


    Well, Editor Sullivan is surely right to recall with a shudder the kinds of religious strife we went though as Americans in our past. But she missed the main point of those of us who protest against President Obama’s unconscionable HHS Mandate: As deplorable as the Philadelphia Bible Riots were, they were not the result of conscious, deliberate federal government policy.


    Of course, it’s always hard to get journalists to understand a story about religious liberty. The famed Rothman and Lichter study found that 91% of reporters and columnists for the prestige press never attend a religious service of any kind.


    No wonder no one blinked an eye when NBC News Anchorman John Chancellor solemnly intoned that President Reagan was being sworn in, his hand on the family Bible, “opened to Eleven Chronicles 7:22.”

    Few reporters looked up when presidential candidate Howard Dean claimed that his favorite New Testament book was “Job.” Maybe they thought he was talking unemployment figures. CNN’s Bill Schneider had a point when he said that the mass media “doesn’t get religion.” Can they hum a few bars?



    Maybe we should use an example from history to illustrate what we mean. In the 1870s, the Chancellor of the newly united German Empire, Otto von Bismarck, tried to bring the whole force of the state against the Catholics of his nation. He found the Catholic Center Party in the Reichstag to be a thorn in his side. He restricted Catholics’ rights in education and worship. It was called a kulturkampf,or cultural clash.


    This clash threatened to tear apart the new German state. It led to deep divisions that are felt to this day in Germany . Only when Bismarck, “the Iron Chancellor,” relented, hoping to gain Catholic support for his new fight with German Socialists, did the threat of disunion subside.


    It would not be a stretch to call Mr. Obama’s health care Mandate a kulturkampf. If he can force Catholic institutions—hospitals, schools, and para-church ministries—to provide drugs that can cause abortions now, why wouldn’t his next move be to mandate they actually provide for surgical abortions next year? And why not force all of us to pay for sex change operations, too?

    He might say then what he says now of his former defense of marriage: His views are evolving. Now, with this HHS Mandate, we can see the little toes emerging from the fish’s body. We know which way liberals evolve. Once they crawl out onto the land of political correctness, they never return to the sea of common sense.



    In all of this evolving, Mr. Obama will have the panting devotion of a media that feels a tingling up and down its leg whenever he orates. Telegenic academics like Michael Beschloss will tell us he is the most intelligent man ever to occupy the White House.TR, Lincoln, Mr. Jefferson don’t call your office.


    TIME’s editor, Amy Sullivan, has actually written with some appreciation of the attempt to isolate Christians in a country still largely, even vibrantly, Christian. She sees, too, the cultural vertigo that comes from a media-driven effort to marginalize Christians, making them strangers in a strange land.


    For nearly 2,000 years, the story of Jesus and broader biblical epics had infused the cultural environment of the average Westerner. Now those influences were suddenly nowhere to be seen….On television, Linus's recitation from the second chapter of Luke at the end of A Charlie Brown Christmas in 1965 was perhaps the last respectful reference to Jesus that Hollywood offered America's children.


    Note the tense. Had infused. To liberals like Amy Sullivan, we are the past. To liberals like President Obama, his brave new world is the future. That’s why there’s a kulturkampf.


    Bismarck lost his clash with the Catholic Church. His united Germany plunged the world into two world wars and was itself cut in two for forty years. This is the danger that comes from such statist kulturkampfs. It’s what we will continue to resist.


    [url]http://cnsnews.com/blog/ken-blackwell/mr-obama-s-kulturkampf[/url]

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    One Priest has plead guilty to abusing a 10 year old altar boy and the others are now on trial.

    [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120329_Philly_parish_was_not_told_of_priest_s_past__pastor_testifies.html[/url]


    [QUOTE][B]A Havertown pastor testified Wednesday that the Archdiocese of Philadelphia sent a priest to his parish in 2002 without telling him that the man had been caught with gay sadomasochistic videos and a sexually graphic love letter he wrote to a seventh-grade boy.[/B]

    The Rev. Henry McKee, pastor of Sacred Heart Church, said nearly three years passed before he learned of the Rev. Michael Murtha's background.

    "It was the last two to three weeks he was there," McKee told a Philadelphia Common Pleas Court jury.

    McKee was one of four priests called to the witness stand Wednesday as prosecutors sought to show how Msgr. William J. Lynn and other church leaders shuffled and protected priests suspected of sexual misconduct or abuse.

    Lynn, who as secretary of clergy from 1992 to 2004 ran the office that recommended priests' assignments, is the first church official nationwide to be tried for allegedly enabling or covering up clergy sex-abuse.

    His codefendant, the Rev. James J. Brennan, is charged with attempting to rape a 14-year-old boy in 1996.

    Both have denied the accusations.

    Wednesday's testimony created an uncomfortable but potentially recurring scenario at the trial: a parade of priests taking the witness stand and discussing the sexual habits or proclivities of other priests, all for the prosecution of a monsignor that all knew and some clearly liked.

    Much of the testimony was devoted to Murtha.[/QUOTE]


    [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120329_Philly_parish_was_not_told_of_priest_s_past__pastor_testifies.html[/url]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4421234]One Priest has plead guilty to abusing a 10 year old altar boy and the others are now on trial.

    [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120329_Philly_parish_was_not_told_of_priest_s_past__pastor_testifies.html[/url]





    [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120329_Philly_parish_was_not_told_of_priest_s_past__pastor_testifies.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    tut tut, every group has their few bad apples.

    Lets close this thread. No good can come of it.

    Or at least lets post something bad about Jews to even the score.

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