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  1. #81
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    This psycho needs to be locked up for a long time. His track record is clear.

    Stalking and then fatally shooting an unarmed kid he outweighed by over 100 pounds. All in the name of self defense. The excuses for this guy make me sick.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4413960]Even the senator who WROTE the law said this is insane. And he's as Republican as they come.

    What does "STAND YOUR GROUND" mean? Run and chase someone down and shoot them?[/QUOTE]

    i already wrote exactly what the law says. you dont think it is reasonable?

    however there have been cases where people claimed that law and they dont apply and get prosecuted:

    a fistfight breaks out...doesnt matter who threw the first punch. the two scrap. one guy decides he has enough and runs away. the other guy runs after him for a block and fires into his back. WRONG! going to jail. thats not the spirit of the law

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4413935]it ABSOLUTELY covers you in a fight. the law is simple.

    as long as zimmerman didnt start the fight, and it was him being pummled and screaming on that tape, hell be a free man. as he should be[/QUOTE]

    He was confronted by Zimmerman that's a major factor

  4. #84
    [QUOTE=parafly;4413968]This psycho needs to be locked up for a long time. His track record is clear.

    Stalking and then fatally shooting an unarmed kid he outweighed by over 100 pounds. All in the name of self defense. The excuses for this guy make me sick.[/QUOTE]

    he did not stalk. he called cops about a suspicious character

    the 100 lbs means absolutely nothing

    you cant prove he intended to kill him and by the sound of the tapes, there was one hell of a struggle. im sure he questioned the kid, and that is also not against the law, and who knows what happened after this

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4413981] a fistfight breaks out...doesnt matter who threw the first punch. the two scrap. one guy decides he has enough and runs away. the other guy runs after him for a block and fires into his back. WRONG! going to jail. thats not the spirit of the law[/QUOTE]

    Florida actually just absolved a guy for almost the same exact thing, citing the law. Guy chased after a dude who was trying to steal his radio and stabbed him in the back and killed him.

    The new law says the guy is innocent of murder.

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4413993]he did not stalk. he called cops about a suspicious character

    the 100 lbs means absolutely nothing

    you cant prove he intended to kill him and by the sound of the tapes, there was one hell of a struggle. im sure he questioned the kid, and that is also not against the law, and who knows what happened after this[/QUOTE]

    The 100 lbs is a factor and the kid was perfectly within his rights to get away from a complete stranger.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4413989]He was confronted by Zimmerman that's a major factor[/QUOTE]

    this is the interesting and core of the case:

    zimmerman, like you or me, has every right in the world to go up to a stranger and say, "can i help you?"

    that is not unlawful

    if there was some dude hanging out in front of your lawn, you would ask the same thing.


    the issue here is how did the actual confrontation go? what are the details?
    that will make or break the case.

    if zimmerman assaulted the kid, hes going to jail
    if zimmerman asked the kid what he was doing and the kid bum rushed him, zimmerman will and should remain free

    if the screams on that tape were not zimmermans, hes going to jail

    but there are no witnesses, zimmerman was bloodied, there was a vicious struggle. as it stands now, he will remain free

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4413994]Florida actually just absolved a guy for almost the same exact thing, citing the law. Guy chased after a dude who was trying to steal his radio and stabbed him in the back and killed him.

    The new law says the guy is innocent of murder.[/QUOTE]

    without knowing the details, iuts anybodys guess. if the guy was chasing the guy who had his property down, caught the guy, a fight ensued sure he has the right to stab him.

    the bottom line is whos side are you on? the criminal or the hard working citizen? there will always be exceptions to the norm

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4413993]he did not stalk. he called cops about a suspicious character

    the 100 lbs means absolutely nothing

    you cant prove he intended to kill him and by the sound of the tapes, there was one hell of a struggle. im sure he questioned the kid, and that is also not against the law, and who knows what happened after this[/QUOTE]

    What about the kids right to stand HIS ground?

    After all...he was the one being chased and followed by a person wielding a gun. Why should he have NOT fought back? He had every right to fight back against the crazed gunman, did he not?

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4414008]without knowing the details, iuts anybodys guess. if the guy was chasing the guy who had his property down, caught the guy, a fight ensued sure he has the right to stab him.[/QUOTE]

    Because the details are there.

    Even the arresting officers can't believe it. The guy admitted that he was threatened in no way and the guy he stabbed did NOT fight back or brandish a weapon. All recorded in a statement the guy gave to officers following the incident.

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    For me, on this specific event, the break-point between "Stand Your Ground" and "Homicide" is quite clear.

    Zimmerman provoked the encounter on property that was not his own.

    End of Story, that makes it a Homicide worthy of investigation, arrest and the course of the legal system.

    If the Law is written too open endedly, it should be revised.

    If this had occured inside Zommerman's Home, I'd support the Law and him 100%.

    But Zimmerman clearly ignored Law Enforcement telling him NOT to persue, and that decision is where he went from concerned (if perhaps racially profiling) citizen, to the aggressor and antagonist, and hence killing in an event his actions created is IMO a Murder/Manslaugher, and he should be arrested and tried for his actions.

    With all that said...I still stand firmly against all the various Race-Warriors attempting to turn this into a larger front in a Race War between White and Black. The issue here is Zimmerman, the Law as writen, and the Police and their interpritation of the Law. It is not racism.

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    Did this happen in front of Zimmerman's home? Was there any crime being committed that made it ok for Zimmerman to confront a complete stranger?

    Zimmerman's utterances to the 911 operator goes to his motive.

    Is there pics of Zimmerman's injuries? Honestly haven't heard he was bloodied.


    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4414004]this is the interesting and core of the case:

    zimmerman, like you or me, has every right in the world to go up to a stranger and say, "can i help you?"

    that is not unlawful

    if there was some dude hanging out in front of your lawn, you would ask the same thing.


    the issue here is how did the actual confrontation go? what are the details?
    that will make or break the case.

    if zimmerman assaulted the kid, hes going to jail
    if zimmerman asked the kid what he was doing and the kid bum rushed him, zimmerman will and should remain free

    if the screams on that tape were not zimmermans, hes going to jail

    but there are no witnesses, zimmerman was bloodied, there was a vicious struggle. as it stands now, he will remain free[/QUOTE]

  13. #93
    [QUOTE=cr726;4414000]The 100 lbs is a factor and the kid was perfectly within his rights to get away from a complete stranger.[/QUOTE]

    the 100 lbs means NOTHING. its irrelevant. go on youtube and watch bully vids of huge guys getting their butts kicked by scrawny dudes. besides, a thin guy with a gun can kill you
    a thin guy with no gun, who is trying to rab you, can scare you and that gives you the right to fire



    but you say the kid was running away. if this is true, zimmerman is wrong aND WILL go to jail. but my question to you is how do you know that to be the fact?

  14. #94
    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4414009]What about the kids right to stand HIS ground?

    After all...he was the one being chased and followed by a person wielding a gun. Why should he have NOT fought back? He had every right to fight back against the crazed gunman, did he not?[/QUOTE]

    SYG applied to the person who is being assaulted. im not defending zimmerman, im just saying that it could very well have happened as i said it had, and IF it did, zimmerman if off the hook.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4414013]Because the details are there.

    Even the arresting officers can't believe it. The guy admitted that he was threatened in no way and the guy he stabbed did NOT fight back or brandish a weapon. All recorded in a statement the guy gave to officers following the incident.[/QUOTE]

    well, if all that is true then dickkotite agrees with you 100%.


    but lets be clear here.......the issue isnt a bad law, its bad prosecuting. the DA is to blame for not locking the guy up

  16. #96
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    Zimmerman provoked the encounter on property that was not his own.

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    horrible argument.

    the law says as long as you are in a place you are legally entitled to be, you are covered. it has nothing to do with private property



    next......

  17. #97
    [QUOTE=Warfish;4414014]

    But Zimmerman clearly ignored Law Enforcement telling him NOT to persue, and that decision is where he went from concerned (if perhaps racially profiling) citizen, to the aggressor and antagonist, and hence killing in an event his actions created is IMO a Murder/Manslaugher, and he should be arrested and tried for his actions.

    .[/QUOTE]

    he did not ignore law enforcement. he ignored advice of a civil servant taking a phone call at 12 dollars an hour

    next......

  18. #98
    [QUOTE=cr726;4414015]Did this happen in front of Zimmerman's home? Was there any crime being committed that made it ok for Zimmerman to confront a complete stranger?

    Zimmerman's utterances to the 911 operator goes to his motive.

    Is there pics of Zimmerman's injuries? Honestly haven't heard he was bloodied.[/QUOTE]


    another guy who has reading comprehension issues..........

    it has nothing to do with "home"

    it is legal to ask anyone a question. that is not a crime. he has the right to do that. just like you and I do

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    [QUOTE=dickkotite;4414027]horrible argument.

    the law says as long as you are in a place you are legally entitled to be, you are covered. it has nothing to do with private property



    next......[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.

    So the kid, if he was carrying a gun, also had every right to shoot the madman that was chasing him and brandishing a weapon.

  20. #100
    zimmerman getting out of his car and walking over to that kid was 100% perfectly legal

    there is no way around this........


    however, if he pulled out his gun from the get go, hes busted

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