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Thread: Cvility and Tacit Support for Incivility?

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    Cvility and Tacit Support for Incivility?

    So, we all know the story of Rush and the Slutcalling of recent weeks. I think we all just about universally think it was bad (outside a few of our most-right posters who defended it, a la our resident Pats-Poli-Poster).

    We all know the rights retort is "well, look at Letterman, Schultz, Maher! They do teh same and never get called out!"

    We also know teh Administration has on many occasions called for civility, and made a point to say family and kids should be off-limits for attack.

    So knowing all that, I have to ask.....

    Last night, the first lady went on Letterman, who famously made jokes about the young Palin daugher getting knocked up at a yankees game, and has made many disparaging, sexist, mysogynist comments about Conservative women.

    And of course, the Obama PAC has kept the 1 million donated by Bill Maher, and Obama himself has not commented on that.

    The question is does these two acts, going on Letterman, and not speaking on the Maher donation, show tacit approval for the incivility and sexism of David Letterman and Bill Maher, despite their calls to the contrary, their calls for civility?

    The first Lady has unlimited access to TV, any show would take her (Including any on FOX too), Letterman is no mandate. Does the conscious choice to appear on his show anyway show tacist approval for him?

    Obama could say publicly that he doesn't want his PAC taking support from people like Rush (or Maher) who publicly act as sexists and mysongynists, and no breach of PAC Law would occur. As a candidate, he's 100% allowed to speak on issues and even on PAC's, as long as he does not work with (directly) the PAC in question. His free speech rights still allow him to say "I wouldn't keep it if the donation was to me, and I find what he said about women and kids despicable".

    Does the fact he doesn't say those thing show tacit support?

    I fully appreciate one rule of some portions of modern liberalism is "hold them to their ideals, hold us to none" as (paraphrasing) is said in Rules for Radicals, but the contradiction is what is said (be civil!) and what is done (supporting uncivil people as long as they are uncivil to the right) seems too obvious to not comment on.

    What say you?

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    I don't think it shows tacit support, I think it shows just how pandering and weak-willed Obama really is. With civility, as with everything else, he's all talk when it's convenient for him. He's all flash and no substance. You talk about Mitt Romney not having any principles, not standing for anything. Obama stands for nothing beyond cementing his own, narrow legacy.

    I wouldn't even call it hypocritical. It's just old school, old fashioned, early 20th century politics. The man is no progressive. It's just infuriating to see people fall in love with this idea, this myth, this LIE, that's he's somehow different. That he's delivered our country to a different place. He hasn't.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404068]That he's delivered our country to a different place. He hasn't.[/QUOTE]

    He has though.

    Communism. :P

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4404079]He has though.

    Communism. :P[/QUOTE]

    Actually, you're right. He's made the country even more divisive and partisan.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404103]He's made the country even more divisive and partisan.[/QUOTE]

    It's a common theme from this era of politics. We should all hope it changes soon, but things do not look promising in my opinion.

    Civility is a relative term. What is civil to one person can be completely disorderly to another. The facts show that money wins elections, and based on the current financing model in American politics, it would take an extraordinary level of universally accepted incivility to justify the declining of a relatively large donation.

    In my opinion, the system itself provides tacit support for incivility. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

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    [QUOTE=parafly;4404146]It's a common theme from this era of politics. We should all hope it changes soon, but things do not look promising in my opinion.

    Civility is a relative term. What is civil to one person can be completely disorderly to another. The facts show that money wins elections, and based on the current financing model in American politics, it would take an extraordinary level of universally accepted incivility to justify the declining of a relatively large donation.

    In my opinion, the system itself provides tacit support for incivility. Don't hate the players, hate the game.[/QUOTE]

    That is a total cop-out.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404148]That is a total cop-out.[/QUOTE]

    It's the reality of the situation.

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    Is Letterman really equal to Rush?

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    [QUOTE=parafly;4404149]It's the reality of the situation.[/QUOTE]

    No it isn't, it's a cop-out. If Obama was half of the inspirational figure that his supporters and the media make him out to be, then he'd stand up for what's right and speak out against attacks towards liberals AND conservatives. But he's not. He's an old school Chicago pol, surrounded by hacks and shills.

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    We live in a marketplace of ideas. Civility is way over rated and good ideas way under rated. There's a reason Apple Computer is the largest market cap company in the world and it ain't civility.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404218]No it isn't, it's a cop-out. If Obama was half of the inspirational figure that his supporters and the media make him out to be, then he'd stand up for what's right and speak out against attacks towards liberals AND conservatives. But he's not. He's an old school Chicago pol, surrounded by hacks and shills.[/QUOTE]

    Out of all the things I'm disappointed about Obama, and there are plenty as an Obama voter, him not admonishing David Letterman and Bill Maher for their past comments isn't one of them.

    Do you hear Obama complain about Rush, Hannity, everyone who calls him a socialist, Muslim, dictator etc. etc.?

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404218]No it isn't, it's a cop-out. If Obama was half of the inspirational figure that his supporters and the media make him out to be, then he'd stand up for what's right and speak out against attacks towards liberals AND conservatives. But he's not. He's an old school Chicago pol, surrounded by hacks and shills.[/QUOTE]

    I agree that Obama is a run of the mill politician.

    Change the system, and then we can talk about incivility-based rejection of political donations. Until then, it's basically a fatal blow to turn down money in politics. The rules of the game dictate the strategy to win.

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4404227]Out of all the things I'm disappointed about Obama, and there are plenty as an Obama voter, him not admonishing David Letterman and Bill Maher for their past comments isn't one of them.

    Do you hear Obama complain about Rush, Hannity, everyone who calls him a socialist, Muslim, dictator etc. etc.?[/QUOTE]

    Yes. His calls for civility whenever there is a slight by the right and his call to the birth control girl, whatever her name is, are exactly that.

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4404227]Do you hear Obama complain about Rush, Hannity, everyone who calls him a socialist, Muslim, dictator etc. etc.?[/QUOTE]

    Janet Reno didn't complain about Will Ferrell's impersonation of her.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyACwczjGTs&feature=related[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4404236]Yes. His calls for civility whenever there is a slight by the right and his call to the birth control girl, whatever her name is, are exactly that.[/QUOTE]

    Does he complain about [B]his[/B] treatment by all those talking heads who rip him daily?

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4404214]Is Letterman really equal to Rush?[/QUOTE]

    In word, yes, he was just as bad (if not worse) than Rush, as he attacked a child.

    No, Letterman is not equal to Rush, as Letterman has a far broader cultural signifigance.

    Minimiztion of your own sides failings, while expounding on the other sides similar failings is a massive part fo whats wrong with Politics, inherant and conscious dishonesty.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4404218]No it isn't, it's a cop-out. If Obama was half of the inspirational figure that his supporters and the media make him out to be, then he'd stand up for what's right and speak out against attacks towards liberals AND conservatives. But he's not. He's an old school Chicago pol, surrounded by hacks and shills.[/QUOTE]

    Nonsense. He ran against an opponent and won against that opponent. He isn't the messiah for beating a hated rival for his party’s nomination and ***** slapping a crappy Republican candidate and he won't be for beating an opponent who can't present a better idea to the American public this time around.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4404292]In word, yes, he was just as bad (if not worse) than Rush, as he attacked a child.

    No, Letterman is not equal to Rush, as Letterman has a far broader cultural signifigance.

    Minimiztion of your own sides failings, while expounding on the other sides similar failings is a massive part fo whats wrong with Politics, inherant and conscious dishonesty.[/QUOTE]

    Your picking out the most offensive thing they've said. But what about each and every day. Is Letterman political all the time?

    Every day Rush gets on the radio and rants against his political opponents, scapegoating them for every problem in America. Does Letterman do that?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4404292]No, Letterman is not equal to Rush, as Letterman has a far broader cultural signifigance.[/QUOTE]

    Letterman has never been called the "Kingmaker" of the Democrat Party. :P

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    [QUOTE=SafetyBlitz;4404302]Your picking out the most offensive thing they've said. But what about each and every day. Is Letterman political all the time?

    Every day Rush gets on the radio and rants against his political opponents, scapegoating them for every problem in America. Does Letterman do that?[/QUOTE]

    I don't see the relevance of the question tbh. :dunno:

    Frequency of other comments does not defend severity of teh comments in question, or the flip-flopping hypocricy of those who defend one while demanding the other be taken off the air by force of Law.

    Perhaps a better comparison would be Bill Maher then, who is exactly what Rush is but choose a weekly TV show over a daily Radio show.

    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4404314]Letterman has never been called the "Kingmaker" of the Democrat Party. :P[/QUOTE]

    So what the Left-wing critics calls Rush as a slight to the Right should count for judging the judging of Rush by the Left? Lol.

    If I call you the Lord of Planet Earth, and you say something silly, can I then judge you as Lord of teh Earth instead of some Plumber in sunny Nowhere upstate NY?

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