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Thread: The Ghosts of Drafts Past

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    [QUOTE=sg3;4442633]could have been worse, Mike

    they could have pissed away something like 60 picks since 2006 on Hall of Famer high rounders like Lawrence Maroney, Chad Jackson, Brandon Meriwether, Kareem Brown, Patrick Chung, Devin McCourty and Nate Solder[/QUOTE]

    Putting Chung, McCourty and especially Solder on that list is as bad as putting Powell, Kerley, Conner, and McKnight on your Jet's great pick list.

    If you want to bash the Pat's draft history, fine. There's certainly plenty to criticize. Just don't make up "facts".

    Here's the truth:

    [QUOTE][B]New England Patriots best, Cleveland Browns worst at finding All-Pros in the NFL Draft:[/B]

    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The New England Patriots and Cleveland's old friend, Bill Belichick, find more stars through the NFL Draft than any other team

    Fifteen AP All-Pros from 2002-11, excluding special-teams players, were drafted by the Patriots since quarterback Rich Gannon in 1987, dating back to before Belichick was the coach. Not surprisingly, the Patriots have won more games than any other team over the last 10 seasons.

    Conversely, the Browns have found the fewest All-Pros in the draft -- they were absent from the draft from 1996-98 -- and own the NFL's second-worst record over the last decade.

    Excluding undrafted and special-teams players, 232 different draftees since Jerry Rice in 1986 became an All-Pro at least once over the last 10 seasons.

    This will come as no shock, but a team's ability to find eventual All-Pros in the draft and its winning percentage is no coincidence.

    The chart below shows the number of All-Pros and the team originally drafting each.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html[/url]

    The chart shows the Pat's at #1 with 15 all-Pros drafted and the Jets are 13th with 8. No coincidence that the Patriots are a league best 123-37 win/losses and the Jets are a .500 team at 80/80.

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    thankfully that was the LAST one in which Bradway, after consulting with Herman Kotite, made the final draft calls

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    sorry welkhead, but your back on the ignore list where you belong

    why no longer using gronk welkhead as your user ID????

    or Vinny Patrollie???

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    never mind. I checked the member list and figured it out....


    those multiple permabans can be SOOOO annoying when your entire life is about trolling on an opposing team's message board

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    [QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4442710]Putting Chung, McCourty and especially Solder on that list is as bad as putting Powell, Kerley, Conner, and McKnight on your Jet's great pick list.

    If you want to bash the Pat's draft history, fine. There's certainly plenty to criticize. Just don't make up "facts".

    Here's the truth:



    [url]http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html[/url]

    The chart shows the Pat's at #1 with 15 all-Pros drafted and [B]the Jets are 13th with 8[/B]. No coincidence that the Patriots are a league best 123-37 win/losses and the Jets are a .500 team at 80/80.[/QUOTE]
    I get Abe,Revis and Mangold who are the other 6?? :confused: Forget Abe he was 2000..

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    I'd even agree with WelkheadPatrollie about 2002-2005 in which the Pats with Pioli having the final say drafted extremely well and built the nucleus (except for the one man team drafted in 2000) of a winning record.


    You would also note that in those drafts, the Pats selected players with virtually every one of those picks and didn't engage in smartalecky trade downs for late rounders and next year futures...

    In 2006 that all changed when Kraft caved in to Beli, kicked Pioli upstairs and allowed Beli to make all final personnel decisions...

    since 2006 the Pats drafts have (despite nearly 60 picks) been pretty abyssmal...

    they have drafted about all pro caliber players (Gronk, Mayo, Gostkowski (a kicker so it doesnt really count) and about 40 total whiffs.

    none of those are remotely close to the caliber of just two of Tannenbaum's draft home runs, Revis and Mangold

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    [QUOTE=sg3;4442735]
    since 2006 the Pats drafts have (despite nearly 60 picks) been pretty abyssmal...

    they have drafted about all pro caliber players (Gronk, Mayo, Gostkowski (a kicker so it doesnt really count) and about 40 total whiffs.

    none of those are remotely close to the caliber of just two of Tannenbaum's draft home runs, Revis and Mangold

    [/QUOTE]

    You still don't get it. Do you really think 60 some odd players were going to make the Pats roster, let alone make a huge contributions?

    The vast number of picks gives the Pats the most flexibility of any team in the NFL. Acquiring picks has been a BB strategy since he got to Foxboro.

    And don't forget, they have the ability to use those picks for trades. How about Welker for a 2nd and 7th and Moss for a 4th?

    Just reread the article, with out a doubt, the Pats have been the best drafting team in the NFL since 2000. Because of that, they have also had the best record in the NFL over that period.

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