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    Might common sense prevail?

    Supreme Court signals it's OK with parts of Arizona's immigration law

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    The Supreme Court appears ready to uphold part of Arizona's controversial immigration law, which would allow some of the measures currently blocked by lower courts to be enforced.

    Based on comments during Wednesday's oral arguments on the case, even some of the court's liberal justices seemed to find no strong objection to the most controversial part of the law, which requires local police to check on the immigration status of anyone they detain or arrest.

    The state appeared to have a tougher time defending two other provisions of the law that are now blocked: making it a state crime to have no federal immigration papers and making it a state crime for an illegal immigrant to look for work. Neither is currently a federal crime.
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    The justices strongly suggested Wednesday they are not buying the Obama administration's argument that the state exceeded its authority when it made the records check part of SB 1070, the state law aimed at driving illegal immigrants out of Arizona. The Obama administration argues that immigration policy is rightfully set by the federal government, not states.

    But Arizona says immigration is not exclusively a federal matter and the state has the right to act because federal authorities have not done their job.

    Key parts of the law have been put on hold by lower courts pending action by the Supreme Court.

    The legislation, which was signed into law by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in April 2010, has inspired similar laws in other states.

    Supreme Court to hear Arizona immigration case: Who wins, loses?
    As immigration case goes before high court, what it means for 2012

    The case has become 2012 campaign fodder for the Obama administration and Republicans.

    Arizona's controversial immigration law heads to the U.S. Supreme Court tomorrow. NBC's Pete Williams offers a preview. Tamar Jacoby, ImmigrationWorks USA, and Alan Wilson, South Carolina Attorney General, weigh in.

    But it is an issue that also has the potential to split the Republicans.

    The most prominent Latino Republican, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio -- a potential running mate for Mitt Romney -- said last week that he did not "believe that laws like Arizona’s should be a model for the country,” although he added he understood why Arizona had passed the law.

    But, crucially, he added, “I would much rather the federal government deal with the illegal immigration issue and modernize our legal immigration system ... .”

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    Too late. They've stopped coming here :P


    [QUOTE]A new study says that for the first time since the Great Depression, there may be fewer Mexican immigrants coming into the United States than there are moving from the United States back to Mexico. According to the Pew Research Center, the net migration between the U.S. and Mexico over the last five years was essentially zero, and the downward trend suggests that flow of both legal and illegal immigrants may have actually reversed back toward Mexico.[/QUOTE]

    Why?

    Because of our crappy economy and no jobs probably.

    Just goes to show that the easiest way to stop it? Go after the people who hire them. :yes:

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    Another one we have to wait until June to get a ruling on :mad:

    At least the draft starts tomorrow.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4445581]Too late. They've stopped coming here :P




    Why?

    Because of our crappy economy and no jobs probably.

    Just goes to show that the easiest way to stop it? Go after the people who hire them. :yes:[/QUOTE]


    PK, you're way to smart to believe that, and/or Napoltitano's "our borders areas are safer than they've ever been".

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4445646]PK, you're way to smart to believe that, and/or Napoltitano's "our borders areas are safer than they've ever been".[/QUOTE]

    Actually, it's true.

    They've started to go back. Number one reason for illegals to come here is jobs. Even the legal ones have started to go back. I was talking to the grape farmer who lives by me about it the other day. The normal Mexicans he used to trim the vines haven't showed up this year. He's been forced to use white people, lol.

    At least my brother is getting some work out of it. :P

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4445534]Supreme Court signals it's OK with parts of Arizona's immigration law

    [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11388195-supreme-court-signals-its-ok-with-parts-of-arizonas-immigration-law?lite[/url]

    The Supreme Court appears ready to uphold part of Arizona's controversial immigration law, which would allow some of the measures currently blocked by lower courts to be enforced.

    Based on comments during Wednesday's oral arguments on the case, even some of the court's liberal justices seemed to find no strong objection to the most controversial part of the law, which requires local police to check on the immigration status of anyone they detain or arrest.

    The state appeared to have a tougher time defending two other provisions of the law that are now blocked: making it a state crime to have no federal immigration papers and making it a state crime for an illegal immigrant to look for work. Neither is currently a federal crime.
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    The justices strongly suggested Wednesday they are not buying the Obama administration's argument that the state exceeded its authority when it made the records check part of SB 1070, the state law aimed at driving illegal immigrants out of Arizona. The Obama administration argues that immigration policy is rightfully set by the federal government, not states.

    But Arizona says immigration is not exclusively a federal matter and the state has the right to act because federal authorities have not done their job.

    Key parts of the law have been put on hold by lower courts pending action by the Supreme Court.

    The legislation, which was signed into law by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in April 2010, has inspired similar laws in other states.

    Supreme Court to hear Arizona immigration case: Who wins, loses?
    As immigration case goes before high court, what it means for 2012

    The case has become 2012 campaign fodder for the Obama administration and Republicans.

    Arizona's controversial immigration law heads to the U.S. Supreme Court tomorrow. NBC's Pete Williams offers a preview. Tamar Jacoby, ImmigrationWorks USA, and Alan Wilson, South Carolina Attorney General, weigh in.

    But it is an issue that also has the potential to split the Republicans.

    The most prominent Latino Republican, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio -- a potential running mate for Mitt Romney -- said last week that he did not "believe that laws like Arizona’s should be a model for the country,” although he added he understood why Arizona had passed the law.

    But, crucially, he added, “I would much rather the federal government deal with the illegal immigration issue and modernize our legal immigration system ... .”[/QUOTE]

    Could this mean higher prices at the Taco Rico?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4445713]Actually, it's true.

    They've started to go back. Number one reason for illegals to come here is jobs. Even the legal ones have started to go back. I was talking to the grape farmer who lives by me about it the other day. The normal Mexicans he used to trim the vines haven't showed up this year. He's been forced to use white people, lol.

    At least my brother is getting some work out of it. :P[/QUOTE]

    So one grapist in the upper northern most part of the country can't find a Mexican, that means the border invasion has slowed? Come visit Northern VA bro.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4445713]Actually, it's true.

    They've started to go back. Number one reason for illegals to come here is jobs. Even the legal ones have started to go back. I was talking to the grape farmer who lives by me about it the other day. The normal Mexicans he used to trim the vines haven't showed up this year. He's been forced to use white people, lol.

    At least my brother is getting some work out of it. :P[/QUOTE]


    Yay, more MS-13 members!


    [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/24/deported-illegals-persist-in-quest-to-reclaim-live/[/url]
    “The standstill appears to result from the weakened U.S. job market, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, and changing economic and demographic conditions in Mexico,” the center said on its website, [url]www.pewhispanic.org[/url].

    [B]While all of those factors may be true, ample evidence in Mexico shows that the number of Central Americans such as Mr. Cordova and Mr. Ponce migrating north continues unabated and may even be surging.

    On Sunday, the Mexico City newspaper La Jornada cited interviews with relief workers at Catholic Church-run migrant shelters throughout southern and eastern Mexico in a report that said the number of Central Americans heading north has increased by 100 percent in recent weeks.[/B]

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4445581]Too late. They've stopped coming here :P




    Why?

    Because of our crappy economy and no jobs probably.

    Just goes to show that the easiest way to stop it? Go after the people who hire them. :yes:[/QUOTE]

    Take it from someone who lives in Texas then...

    They're everywhere... I can't tell if the number is increasing since... Well... They're everywhere...

    It is certainly not decreasing...

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4446012]Take it from someone who lives in Texas then...

    They're everywhere... I can't tell if the number is increasing since... Well... They're everywhere...

    It is certainly not decreasing...[/QUOTE]

    Not in the great state of Texas? Never!

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4446012]Take it from someone who lives in Texas then...

    They're everywhere... I can't tell if the number is increasing since... Well... They're everywhere...

    It is certainly not decreasing...[/QUOTE]

    Fine.

    Let the employers hire illegals. What does it matter. Don't go after them. Don't go after the main reason they come here.

    Instead, waste our country's time on band aid laws instead of tackling the root of the problem.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4446191]Fine.

    Let the employers hire illegals. What does it matter. Don't go after them. Don't go after the main reason they come here.

    Instead, waste our country's time on band aid laws instead of tackling the root of the problem.[/QUOTE]

    Texas and the rest of the southwest border states have foot bridges to and from Mexico.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4446191]Fine.

    Let the employers hire illegals. What does it matter. Don't go after them. Don't go after the main reason they come here.

    Instead, waste our country's time on band aid laws instead of tackling the root of the problem.[/QUOTE]

    Hook these employers up with people collecting unemployment.

    Employer wouldn't have to pay (since unemployment benefits would be the "payment"), so they'd save even more money than hiring illegals.

    Perhaps it would even give incentive to some people to get off unemployment sooner (not that everyone needs incentive, but some definitely do).

    I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this, and I'm sure there are ramifications I'm not aware of. But it still seems better than the "go after the employer" approach . . .

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4446266]Texas and the rest of the southwest border states have foot bridges to and from Mexico.[/QUOTE]

    Texas and the southwest border states have been built upon Mexican labor. Were it not for those pesky immigrants, those states would be indiscernible from their southern neighbors.

    Texas, Arizona and New Mexico are basically Mexico Lite. Built their "empires" on the backs of the people they've been told to despise now.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4446276]Hook these employers up with people collecting unemployment.

    Employer wouldn't have to pay (since unemployment benefits would be the "payment"), so they'd save even more money than hiring illegals.

    Perhaps it would even give incentive to some people to get off unemployment sooner (not that everyone needs incentive, but some definitely do).

    I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this, and I'm sure there are ramifications I'm not aware of. But it still seems better than the "go after the employer" approach . . .[/QUOTE]

    You want to reward companies that are hiring illegal workers by replacing them with citizens and having the government pay their salaries?

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    The best solution to illegal immigration is an increase in legal immigration.

    A comprehensive, functional, and wide reaching foreign worker program would alleviate one of the primary causes of illegal immigration and give employers legitimate and legal options in choosing their workforce.

    It's a free market solution which brings documentation, legality, and government revenue into the picture.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4445581]Too late. They've stopped coming here :P




    Why?

    Because of our crappy economy and no jobs probably.

    Just goes to show that the easiest way to stop it? Go after the people who hire them. :yes:[/QUOTE]

    There was a mass exodus after 9/11. We should allow more terrorist activity. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4446266]Texas and the rest of the southwest border states have foot bridges to and from Mexico.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah those "drybacks" are everywhere...:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4446282]Texas and the southwest border states have been built upon Mexican labor. Were it not for those pesky immigrants, those states would be indiscernible from their southern neighbors.

    Texas, Arizona and New Mexico are basically Mexico Lite. Built their "empires" on the backs of the people they've been told to despise now.[/QUOTE]

    Another huge Goebbels-strength lib lie, that the USA was "built" by the 95% illiterate unskilled flotsam and jetsam washing up on our shores.

    That's why they trim vines and wash dishes, and don't do anything re: actual buildings (e. g. design or even build) except clean their toilets or wash windows.

    All well and good but let's not overstate the meagre skills or contributions of the embryonic (D) voters.

    For the geniuses out there the primary motivation for illegal aliens to come here is to leech off any and every handout. It's certainly not to assimilate.
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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4446759]Yeah those "drybacks" are everywhere...:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    They aren't checked by anyone when they cross these bridges.

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