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Thread: Interesting Article on Quinton Coples (Haters Please Read)

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    Ingram is small for a DE or OLB really.

    6'1", 264. Ran the same 40 time as Coples, who is much bigger.

    Additionally, Ingram played opposite a complete and utter freak of nature.

    Coples has more career stats in a crappier program, More tackles for a loss in a crappier program.

    Additionally, Ingram missed all of 2008 when he had foot surgery.

    Coples seems to be a better pick. Pairing him with Wilkerson gives us two very large and athletic 3 down defensive lineman that Rex can get very creative with and shift inside or outside based on need (although Wilkerson is much better suited to staying inside).

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    [QUOTE=Owen Reed;4449784]This is what's funny. People think Rex Ryan is some great motivator who gets players to consistently play hard. Nothing could be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]

    Not saying he's going to make every defensive player we sign into LT (Gholston, Smith, Pool) but then look at DeVito, Pouha, Wilson, Wilkerson, Maybin, and Mauga and you can see that Rex does know how to generally get the most out of his defensive players. Smith and Pool were garbage so our FO is in the process of replacing them and our OLBs are old so Coples and Maybin step in as hybrid DE/OLBs.

    It's a big risk/reward pick, but players built like Ingram are far from safe picks either. The Chargers drafted another short, physical OLB in Larry English a few seasons back at 16 and he's done **** all for that team. Again not saying Ingram won't be good but the ceiling for Coples to improve is much higher.

    [QUOTE=Untouchable]Not to mention that Ingram was basically invisible at SC until the freak Jadeveon Clowney signed on and opposing offenses had to focus on him, freeing up Ingram to make plays.[/QUOTE]

    ^This. Ingram's high-effort season produced 10 sacks, Coples did that as an interior lineman in 2010 and got 7.5 sacks at DE last season when he "didn't care". Everyone's yelling about why Coples dropped so far but won't discuss why Ingram fell to 18, this guy wasn't supposed to make it past the 7th pick or at the very least Seattle.

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    [QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449892]Ingram is small for a DE or OLB really.

    6'1", 264. Ran the same 40 time as Coples, who is much bigger.

    Additionally, Ingram played opposite a complete and utter freak of nature.

    Coples has more career stats in a crappier program, More tackles for a loss in a crappier program.

    Additionally, Ingram missed all of 2008 when he had foot surgery.

    Coples seems to be a better pick. Pairing him with Wilkerson gives us two very large and athletic 3 down defensive lineman that Rex can get very creative with and shift inside or outside based on need (although Wilkerson is much better suited to staying inside).[/QUOTE]

    Great post. Wilkerson, Ellis, and Coples has the potential to be one hell of a line. Conjures up images of Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, and Vince Wilfork, of course that was back when Bellichick had a decent DC to delegate the playcalling to. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;4450312].
    ^This. Ingram's high-effort season produced 10 sacks, Coples did that as an interior lineman in 2010 and got 7.5 sacks at DE last season when he "didn't care". Everyone's yelling about why Coples dropped so far but won't discuss why Ingram fell to 18, this guy wasn't supposed to make it past the 7th pick or at the very least Seattle.[/QUOTE]

    I don't think anybody realizes how devastating Clowney is.

    That does things to an O-line.

    The guy blows up QB's THROUGH double teams.

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    [QUOTE=PMarsico9;4450327]I don't think anybody realizes how devastating Clowney is.

    That does things to an O-line.

    The guy blows up QB's THROUGH double teams.[/QUOTE]

    This can't be stressed enough, how productive would a player like Terrell Suggs be without Ngata? Someone else brought up Clay Matthews only getting 6 sacks last season after the Packers lost Cullen Jenkins too. Clowney looks like the next Julius Peppers, that dude is going in the top 5 easy.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;4450339]This can't be stressed enough, how productive would a player like Terrell Suggs be without Ngata? Someone else brought up Clay Matthews only getting 6 sacks last season after the Packers lost Cullen Jenkins too. [B]Clowney looks like the next Julius Peppers[/B], that dude is going in the top 5 easy. [/QUOTE]

    Not sure that's doing him justice. Clowney is going to be way better than Julius Peppers, IMO.

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    [QUOTE=Austin;4450356]Not sure that's doing him justice. Clowney is going to be way better than Julius Peppers, IMO.[/QUOTE]

    He could be no doubt, 8 sacks as a freshman in the SEC is pretty damn good but still too early to tell. Either way having someone like Clowney on that line had to boost Ingram's production big time.

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    [QUOTE=Owen Reed;4449784]This is what's funny. People think Rex Ryan is some great motivator who gets players to consistently play hard. Nothing could be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah all Rex ever did was transform Pouha from a 2nd string scrub into an all-pro Nose Tackle.

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    [QUOTE=PMarsico9;4449892]Ingram is small for a DE or OLB really.

    6'1", 264. Ran the same 40 time as Coples, who is much bigger.

    Additionally, Ingram played opposite a complete and utter freak of nature.

    Coples has more career stats in a crappier program, More tackles for a loss in a crappier program.

    Additionally, Ingram missed all of 2008 when he had foot surgery.

    Coples seems to be a better pick. Pairing him with Wilkerson gives us two very large and athletic 3 down defensive lineman that Rex can get very creative with and shift inside or outside based on need (although Wilkerson is much better suited to staying inside).[/QUOTE]

    I have nothing against Ingram and wish him well in San Diego but I can't understand this consensus in the media that he was such a no-brainer obvious better pick than Coples other than Rex Ryan-hatred.

    Coples dominated at the Senior Bowl. Ingram did nothing. Coples has a size/speed skill set that is rare. I'm not getting why this is supposed to be such an awful pick.
    Last edited by detjetsfan; 04-28-2012 at 03:28 PM.

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    [QUOTE=King Koopa;4449820]I agree he played on a whole different level last season, but he was more of a focus than Clowney

    But he was still a very good player coming into 2011.....You can say it was Clowney, but I saw Ingram continue to get better each season, to the point of being pretty close to dominant throughout his last year[/QUOTE]
    I got your back on this one, Ingram was a dominant D lineman in the SEC. That's big time credentials. I think he even returned a pick six on the Hogs. TW only threw 6 last year and one was to him.

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    You can always find cover LB's and speedster LB's every freaking year thru free agency or by drafting. Hell we got Maybin last year and he was cut. James Harrison wasn't even drafted, Bart Scott etc. These guys can be found they are like RB's you just need to search, develop, and you can hit the jackpot with these guys.

    There's no Coples in drafts every year and they normally don't drop down to 16 or wherever we got him. Jets fans should be praying and thanking Tim Tebow that he was disinterested last year and didn't go 100% so he doesn't get hurt. There was a lot of issues with the NC program and Coples protected himself like free agents in the NFL would do. You won't find guys as big as Coples and even disinterested (unable to be pushed back against the run) ... What no one is talking about is that against the run Coples is an elite guy. So an elite run stopper with the potential to be a pass rusher his size and his speed? That's just not found that often and you NEVER luck into a guy like that like you do with LB's. Coples is a physical specimen with athletic ability at his position that you see possibly ever 2-3 years in a draft. Rex wasn't going to pass up on that and before you compare Coples to Gholston remember how much Rex hated Ghost and told the Ravens to stay away from him. Big Mo showed flashes last year and he's no where near the talent Coples is but the idea of him and Coples side by side in this defensive line for the future solidifies the D Line.

    One last thing ... I hate talking 40 yard times cause guys often lose weight and prepare to run their 40 yard times. A guy with a track backround might run it much better cause of the technical aspect over someone who's just used to running and reacting football wise. I don't value 40 yard times at all but Coples was in the same shape he was in at his pro days that he was when he was "disinterested" in College. His 40 yard time is legit and will translate to the pads cause that what he is and he didn't lose 9 pounds to run a 40 and train with a track coach. The guy ran that fast in college. There's articles out there that talk about him beating TE's, and LB's in a race in college. This guy is a legit talent and he was motivated in college until this last year. I don't blame him for protecting himself the way his program was being run. Every single one of you would have done the same ..

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