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    GO BUFFALO!

    Teachers unions, you gotta love em!!! I've seen the people that live in Buffalo and this REALLY is a waste of taxpayers funds.
    BUFFALO, NY (CNN) -- As thousands of teachers face layoffs across the country, teachers in Buffalo, New York are getting lipo? Yep. And nose jobs and whatever else they want. All on the taxpayers' dime. How is this happening?

    This Buffalo plastic surgeon has a lot of happy patients. Dr. Kulwant S. Bhangoo says, "Let's just suppose I was a woman weighed 300 pounds, and I lost 150-160 pounds."

    Indeed, that's what happened to Buffalo school teacher Valerie Akauloa, but it's not just the results that make her happy, it's the sweet deal that she gets.

    The sweet deal that all the 3,400 teachers in Buffalo are eligible to get under one of their insurance plan options, they are billed nothing for any plastic surgery procedure, such as botox, liposuction, tummy tucks, and there is no deductible.

    Linda Tokarz teaches second grade and says she gets regular treatments. She says, "I think its great for us. I wouldn't want to see it taken away."

    Dr. Kulwant Bhangoo has been a plastic surgeon in Buffalo for almost four decades. He says, "I feel the teachers have paid their dues and it would be wrong to take it away from them."

    While he does have plenty on non-teacher patients, Dr. Bhangoo does say three out of every 10 are Buffalo teachers and the school district's insurance covers every single penny. They will come in for hair removal on their face, liposuction, breast enhancement, and rhinoplasty.

    Dr. Bhangoo is one of many plastic surgeons who advertise in where else the teachers union newsletter.

    [B][COLOR="Red"]Last year, Buffalo's schools spent $5.9 million on plastic surgery which is also known as a cosmetic rider.[/COLOR][/B] And Buffalo teachers have had this rider for nearly four decades.

    Now you might think Buffalo's school district must be flush with cash to be offering perks like free plastic surgery, right? Wrong. Louis Petrucci, the president of the Buffalo Board of Education says he is projecting a $42 million deficit in next year's school budget.

    You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know that a plastic surgeon or a teacher would like this policy more than the typical taxpayer. But the teachers will tell you there is more to the story. They say the teachers contract with the city expired nearly a decade ago negotiations for a new one have failed.

    And they add they are woefully underpaid. It is quite interesting to hear what the president of the teachers unions says about the plastic surgery benefit. Philip Rumore says, "We've told the district from the beginning of negotiations six or eight years ago that we're willing to give it up, so as long the district comes back to the table with us, it's gone." When asked, "Do you feel as a gesture of good faith, the union should say, teachers, no more free plastic surgery?" Rumore responds, "It would be a wonderful gesture of good faith. We're willing to give it up. All the district has to do is come to the table and negotiate with us. But not willing to do it unilaterally."

    Fact is that police and firefighters in Buffalo have similar plastic surgery programs, but those departments are not dealing with the same financial problems as the economically challenged school system.

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    The Buffalo NY plan is a SELF INSURED plan so in effect the city pays directly for this. Ther is NO INSURANCE.

    Kids go homeless, hungry but Miss Jones her new tatas.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4453793]The Buffalo NY plan is a SELF INSURED plan so in effect the city pays directly for this. Ther is NO INSURANCE.

    Kids go homeless, hungry but Miss Jones her new tatas.[/QUOTE]

    Suddenly you care about the homeless kids of buffalo

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4453793]The Buffalo NY plan is a SELF INSURED plan so in effect the city pays directly for this. Ther is NO INSURANCE.

    Kids go homeless, hungry but Miss Jones her new tatas.[/QUOTE]

    Should be cheap as sh!t, free market in full effect! Plastic surgeons must be on every corner. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4453793]The Buffalo NY plan is a SELF INSURED plan so in effect the city pays directly for this. Ther is NO INSURANCE.

    Kids go homeless, hungry but Miss Jones her new tatas.[/QUOTE]

    And yet:

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    But the teachers will tell you there is more to the story. They say [B]the teachers contract with the city expired nearly a decade ago [/B]negotiations for a new one have failed.

    And they add they are woefully underpaid. It is quite interesting to hear what the president of the teachers unions says about the plastic surgery benefit. Philip Rumore says, "[B]We've told the district from the beginning of negotiations six or eight years ago that we're willing to give it up, so as long the district comes back to the table with us, it's gone."[/B] When asked, "Do you feel as a gesture of good faith, the union should say, teachers, no more free plastic surgery?" Rumore responds, "It would be a wonderful gesture of good faith. [B]We're willing to give it up. All the district has to do is come to the table and negotiate with us. [/B]But not willing to do it unilaterally."
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    On this one, I need to side with the Union. If the contract has been up for a decade and the district refuses to even negotiate, why give up anything at all?

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454397]And yet:



    On this one, I need to side with the Union. If the contract has been up for a decade and the district refuses to even negotiate, why give up anything at all?[/QUOTE]

    Negotiations failed because the teachers are so highly paid...their pay is almost 3 times the average income of Buffalo residents.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4454418]Negotiations failed because the teachers are so highly paid...their pay is almost 3 times the average income of Buffalo residents.[/QUOTE]

    Still. The District should call their bluff, come to the table, and get rid of the insurance rider. Or declare an impasse and impose new terms. But simply continuing with the current contract for a decade is not a viable strategy.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454397]And yet:



    On this one, I need to side with the Union. If the contract has been up for a decade and the district refuses to even negotiate, why give up anything at all?[/QUOTE]

    Average pay is 50k with OUTSTANDING benefits!! plus the teachers NEVER mention the FACT that they collect unemployment when they're not working the grueling 180 days per year. P.S. it's the low retirement age and the lifetime beni's that are the killer.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4454418]Negotiations failed because the teachers are so highly paid...their pay is almost 3 times the average income of Buffalo residents.[/QUOTE]
    It warms my heart thinking about what wonderful students the school children of Buffalo must be.

    Caring, curious, compassionate students.

    Just don't "diss" any of them or they'll beat you with a lead pipe.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4454438]Average pay is 50k with OUTSTANDING benefits!! plus the teachers NEVER mention the FACT that they collect unemployment when they're not working the grueling 180 days per year. P.S. it's the low retirement age and the lifetime beni's that are the killer.[/QUOTE]

    They collect unemployment? What school district does that?

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4454542]They collect unemployment? What school district does that?[/QUOTE] Since they are NOT under contract they are eligible. maybe that's why they refuse to negotiate.

    Are you eligible to collect? Professional and non-professional employees of educational institutions, educational service agencies and certain other educational employers may be eligible for unemployment ONLY if they do not have a contract or if their employer has not provided written reasonable assurance of their employment for the following year, academic term or for the period following a school vacation. State law requires each educational institution to provide reasonable assurance in writing to those individuals who will be unemployed during the summer and will return to work once the summer break or vacation period ends. If teachers, professional and non-professional educational employees DO have a contract or written reasonable assurance of employment, they are ineligible to collect unemployment insurance benefits using their educational wages during the vacation period or the period between academic terms.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454428]Still. The District should call their bluff, come to the table, and get rid of the insurance rider. Or declare an impasse and impose new terms. But simply continuing with the current contract for a decade is not a viable strategy.[/QUOTE]


    That would take balls. Politicians are afraid of unions.

    The money provided to public unions creates a voting block and war chest to spend against a politician.

    Imagine YOU for example, a young smart attorney aspiring to be mayor. This was explained to me by a Chief of Police in NY as to HOW the sytem works. the unions literally call the legislator and say we will spend $$$$$ against you if we dont get our way.


    WHY oh WHY would you as a legislator, risk your future by voting on this agianst the union so they would spend MILIONS stating how you are anti education.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454397]And yet:



    On this one, I need to side with the Union. If the contract has been up for a decade and the district refuses to even negotiate, why give up anything at all?[/QUOTE]

    Because the union has so generously offered to give up plastic surgeries? If they got that to begin with, and that's the first "compromise" piece they're going to give up, I wouldn't be optimistic about negotiating either.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4454655]Because the union has so generously offered to give up plastic surgeries? If they got that to begin with, and that's the first "compromise" piece they're going to give up, I wouldn't be optimistic about negotiating either.[/QUOTE]

    As far as I'm concerned, it's simple - if the district can save 5.2M per year by going back to the table, then go back to the table. Even if that's the only concession they get, maintaining the status quo is not better than saving 5M a year.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454428]Still. The District should call their bluff, come to the table, and get rid of the insurance rider. Or declare an impasse and impose new terms. But simply continuing with the current contract for a decade is not a viable strategy.[/QUOTE]

    They left out a small detail. They forgot to mention that in Buffalo the law says that as long as a new contract is not in place the previous contract remains in effect. The same automatic raises remain in effect. The same 100% of pension and health benefits is covered by the city. In actuality there is absolutely no motivation to negotiate a new deal unless it is sweeter then the previous deal. If your boss gave you a choice to meet with him to discuss a more frugal or market appropriate salary with perhaps fewer benefits, or just stay on the contract you are on with full benefits covered and yearly automatic raises, what would you do?

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;4454712]As far as I'm concerned, it's simple - if the district can save 5.2M per year by going back to the table, then go back to the table. Even if that's the only concession they get, maintaining the status quo is not better than saving 5M a year.[/QUOTE]

    Not sure of what is in the rest of that contract though. Perhaps the trade-off of saving $5M/year on plastic surgery means you have to now pay an additional $15M/year in raises/pensions. So it really isn't that simple.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4454438]Average pay is 50k with OUTSTANDING benefits!! plus the teachers NEVER mention the FACT that they collect unemployment when they're not working the grueling 180 days per year. P.S. it's the low retirement age and the lifetime beni's that are the killer.[/QUOTE]

    From WIVB.com

    The median pay for all 800 classroom teachers in the Williamsville Central School District is $63,918, which is nearly $2,000 higher than any other district in the region. Three other systems have median (or 50th percentile) salaries higher than $60,000: North Tonawanda, Grand Island and Sweet Home.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4454553]Since they are NOT under contract they are eligible. maybe that's why they refuse to negotiate.

    Are you eligible to collect? Professional and non-professional employees of educational institutions, educational service agencies and certain other educational employers may be eligible for unemployment ONLY if they do not have a contract or if their employer has not provided written reasonable assurance of their employment for the following year, academic term or for the period following a school vacation. State law requires each educational institution to provide reasonable assurance in writing to those individuals who will be unemployed during the summer and will return to work once the summer break or vacation period ends. If teachers, professional and non-professional educational employees DO have a contract or written reasonable assurance of employment, they are ineligible to collect unemployment insurance benefits using their educational wages during the vacation period or the period between academic terms.[/QUOTE]


    If I didn't have assurance that my job was going to be around I'd collect too. It,s called feeding your family.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4454438]Average pay is 50k with OUTSTANDING benefits!! plus the teachers NEVER mention the FACT that they collect unemployment when they're not working the grueling 180 days per year. P.S. it's the low retirement age and the lifetime beni's that are the killer.[/QUOTE]

    Is 50k a lot? :confused:

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4454418]Negotiations failed because the teachers are so highly paid...their pay is almost 3 times the average income of Buffalo residents.[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure its 3x your pay too, so what?

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