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    Excellent Analysis of Coples

    Excellent write up on Coples freak athleticism vs his technique, as compated to JPP.

    Coples really could wind up being an amazing pick for us....especially since Id have to belive Rex and Karl Dunbar are 2 excellent coaches to help a DE's technique.

    Personally Id love to see us bring Trevor Pryce in as a tutor for both Coples and Wilkerson.

    [url]http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/13/unc-de-quinton-coples-the-importance-of-pad-level/[/url]

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    Finally! An article that talks real football skill. Now I'll know what to look for. Great read.

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    great article, thanks for sharing eagle..

    I'm willing to wait until 2014 for Coples to emerge as the next JPP....

    and Tammi will be almost 38 by then and she will be even less mobile than she is now

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    i really don't think coples will be like jpp. he isn't as explosive or quick twitched. but i think he'll be more effective against the run. it's one thing that isn't discussed as much. but the guy can be dominant against the run. and his best position is rushing the passer from the interior.

    with maybin and perhaps even sapp, the jets didn't need to spend a first rounder on an undersized pass rush specialist. the team needed a d-lineman who could generate pass rush so the only pressure wouldn't come from the linebackers and secondary. devito is nice to have but coples can actually get around guys. also he can alter passes with his height and arm length. with coples it's not only about the sacks. he can impact the game in numerous ways.

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    Ty for posting
    great article

    if he can even be 1/2 of JPP, were in for a treat
    he looks stout against the run
    with some good coaching which hopefully leads to be better technique, I think he does the explosiveness + athleticism to be a great defender

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    [QUOTE=eaglenj;4454485]Excellent write up on Coples freak athleticism vs his technique, as compated to JPP.

    Coples really could wind up being an amazing pick for us....especially since Id have to belive Rex and Karl Dunbar are 2 excellent coaches to help a DE's technique.

    Personally Id love to see us bring Trevor Pryce in as a tutor for both Coples and Wilkerson.

    [URL]http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/13/unc-de-quinton-coples-the-importance-of-pad-level/[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Would somebody mind posting the article, can't access the link... :D

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    Here is some of it....try to access the link, for the pictures Ray Ray, its an awesome article.



    UNCís Quinton Coples has the frame and body type that makes scouts drool and defensive line coaches want to stand on a table. Thatís not hard to do when a defensive end from an ACC school has the height (6í6″), weight (281 pounds), hands (10-plus inches), arm length (33-plus inches), and wingspan (in excess of 80 inches) that makes him a top-10 prospect in most drafts.

    Although his frame and athleticism are NFL-ready, Coples has flaws in his technique that may keep him from reaching his vast potential during his rookie year. Coples isnít alone in this regard. The great majority of promising all-around defensive end prospects take at least a season to refine their technique and become strong enough to hold their own against the caliber of offensive tackles theyíll face for 60-70 snaps each Sunday.

    Coples was dominant during Senior Bowl practices, regularly overpowering whichever offensive tackle was across from him. But there were also many instances in Mobile when Coples played too high and with a questionable pad level. For the most part, he got away with it during those practices because many of the players he faced are likely to become average NFL starters at best.

    Should Coples be drafted by Jacksonville or Miami in the top 10 and face quality NFL offensive tackles in Houston, Tennessee, and New England twice a year, his lapses in technique could limit his production.

    Playing With Good Pad Level

    Length, hand size, a quick burst off the ball, and athleticism have rightfully earned Coples consideration early on the first day of the draft. But they wonít necessarily carry the day when a pro offensive linemen gets his hands on him. When that happens, pad level and hand placement will determine whether Coples can win the edge as a pass rusher or set the edge as a run defender.

    Though Coples has suggested that some of his drop in production this season was due to the team asking him to take snaps at defensive tackle, there are more than enough examples of questionable technique during his 2011 season to argue that heíll need refinement and coaching to reach his potential. This analysis of Coplesí stance, get-off, and base should underscore what is involved with maintaining good pad level and maturing into a productive NFL edge defender.

    Stance

    Playing with good pad level begins with the stance. Many defensive linemen with Coplesí length might have an issue getting low off the snap, but his athleticism allows him to coil into a good starting position with a strong base on the balls of his feet.

    Coming off the Ball

    A defensive end facing an offensive lineman in a traditional run blocking stance will engage his opponent immediately. He is taught to strive to stay under the offensive linemanís pads and shoot both hands out quickly, extend his arms and keep his hands inside the shoulders to win leverage both above and below the waist.

    As you can see in these next two images from an early snap against Clemson last October, Coples is capable of doing exactly that.
    Coples good technique helps him set the edge and avoid letting Price turn him inside and closing the outside rush lane. A few frames later Coples easily sheds Price once the ball carrier commits to the inside. The UNC defensive end is now in position to make a play.

    Coplesí wide base and inside move give him the surface area and angle to make the play in this situation. However a defensive end facing a tackle sitting back in a pass blocking alignment may not engage his opponent for a couple of steps. When a defensive end comes out of his coil as he sets up his pass rush move in this case heís at risk of losing the battle to establish good pad level.

    Coples struggles in this situation against Missouri in the Independence Bowl. Despite his good initial stance from the first play analysis image above, Coples is nearly vertical by the time he takes two steps towards the offensive tackle.



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    The Next Pierre-Paul?

    Thatís the tease with Coples. You can see flashes of physical and technical dominance on film, but there are many instances when he seems to rely on his athleticism rather than technique. With professional offenses running out of spread sets more often, heís going to see lots of instances where heíll have to maintain good posture and leverage off the ball until heís engaged.

    While he flashed dominant pass rushing skills in the pit during Senior Bowl practices, it will be critical for Coples to maintain that pad level to achieve success as a rusher in the NFL. The swim move he prizes will have little chance if he stands up and invites an NFL offensive lineman into his chest. Proper pad level will also help him achieve a better lean and angle to flatten his edge rush move. When he gets too tall off the ball, he winds up too far up field.

    Good coaching, a strong work ethic, and film study will all help Coples reach his potential. Coples says that he feels Jason Pierre-Paul is the NFL defensive end his game resembles most. I like Coplesí potential and agree with those that believe heís easily worthy of a top ten draft selection. It may take time for Coples to overcome some of these bad habits and establish himself as a dominating presence. Pierre-Paul didnít break out until his sophomore season. Donít be surprised if it takes Coples a year of seasoning to do the same.

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    Nice article. Good read.

    But why is it "great" or "awesome" or "excellent"? Because it is mainly a positive analysis and you are in agreement?

    I like Coples and think he is going to do just fine with the Jets. But I think everything "negative" that has been said about him is just as important.

    Hopefully the Jets did a good job evaluating what is true and what is BS. I know Rex saw a lot of things in him that he liked.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4454702]Nice article. Good read.

    But why is it "great" or "awesome" or "excellent"? Because it is mainly a positive analysis and you are in agreement?

    I like Coples and think he is going to do just fine with the Jets. But I think everything "negative" that has been said about him is just as important.

    Hopefully the Jets did a good job evaluating what is true and what is BS. I know Rex saw a lot of things in him that he liked.[/QUOTE]

    Because it actually talks about the football side of the equation, rather than all of this pure speculation that says that he "mailed it in," or wasn't committed to the NC program.

    Or, instead of being a douche about it, you can simply respect someone's opinion and provide something to the debate.

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    Good article.

    One thing I would point out. At UNC he played DE in a 4-3 often lining up on the outside shoulder of the OT in passing situations.

    Playing in the base 3-4, he will be playing on the guard or in the gap and engaging the O lineman earlier after the snap then if he was purely rushing from the outside. This could potentially negate some of the flaws in his get off as noted by the article.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4454702]Nice article. Good read.

    But why is it "great" or "awesome" or "excellent"? Because it is mainly a positive analysis and you are in agreement?

    I like Coples and think he is going to do just fine with the Jets. But I think everything "negative" that has been said about him is just as important.

    Hopefully the Jets did a good job evaluating what is true and what is BS. I know Rex saw a lot of things in him that he liked.[/QUOTE]

    It's "excellent" because it's not another cookie cutter article attempting to look into Coples psyche. It's a true football technique evaluation... One that's actually not positive or negative...

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4454702]Nice article. Good read.

    But why is it "great" or "awesome" or "excellent"? Because it is mainly a positive analysis and you are in agreement?

    I like Coples and think he is going to do just fine with the Jets. But I think everything "negative" that has been said about him is just as important.

    Hopefully the Jets did a good job evaluating what is true and what is BS. I know Rex saw a lot of things in him that he liked.[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure the Jets asked him straight up about the accusations(UNC were throwing him under the bus to NFL teams) and Coples gave them a truthful answer. From coples quotes it seems he wasn't hiding them and gave his reasoning. There are always two sides of a story and find UNC bashing him somewhat strange. Almost as an agenda to tarnish his image.

    JMO
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    [QUOTE=eaglenj;4454485]Excellent write up on Coples freak athleticism vs his technique, as compated to JPP.

    Coples really could wind up being an amazing pick for us....especially since Id have to belive Rex and Karl Dunbar are 2 excellent coaches to help a DE's technique.

    Personally Id love to see us bring Trevor Pryce in as a tutor for both Coples and Wilkerson.

    [url]http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/02/13/unc-de-quinton-coples-the-importance-of-pad-level/[/url][/QUOTE]

    REALLY GOOD WRITE UP. Thanks!

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    Wow great find. I am excited about this player. He is going to DOMINATE!!!!

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    Thanks for that, enjoyed reading it. Defensive line is Rex's specialty so if he can just mentor the kid, keep his head straight (and away from Santonio), and help him develop that talent, we could have a player.

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    Rex and Dunbar will have fun molding this piece of clay, but he has to want to be successful.

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    TY for posting the link that explains the science of the DE position. If Coples can learn the proper technique of the position the NY Jets will have a young and potent D Line.

    I also think that Marcus Dixon will come through big for the Jets this season

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4454702]Nice article. Good read.

    But why is it "great" or "awesome" or "excellent"? Because it is mainly a positive analysis and you are in agreement?

    I like Coples and think he is going to do just fine with the Jets. But I think everything "negative" that has been said about him is just as important.

    Hopefully the Jets did a good job evaluating what is true and what is BS. I know Rex saw a lot of things in him that he liked.[/QUOTE]

    Because its a breakdown of his game not his psyche

    I think you have a point with Rex working him out personally nd liking what he saw, he knows defensive line talent (knew Gholston was a "phony") nd I think him nd Dunbar, who is praised as one of the best D line coaches, are gonna turn this kid into a beast

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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;4454985]Thanks for that, enjoyed reading it. Defensive line is Rex's specialty so if he can just mentor the kid, keep his head straight (and away from Santonio), and help him develop that talent, we could have a player.[/QUOTE]

    Second that - my concern is about Rex.
    He's not the defensive mastermind he used to be - when he was with Baltimore he was AWESOME. The last few years here have really taken that edge off ... I hope the change of Sporano will allow him to get back into that mindset.

    That was the biggest problem with Shotty. He always allow Rex to get distracted.

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    [QUOTE=CTJets69;4454799]Because it actually talks about the football side of the equation, rather than all of this pure speculation that says that he "mailed it in," or wasn't committed to the NC program.

    Or, instead of being a douche about it, you can simply respect someone's opinion and provide something to the debate.[/QUOTE]
    Excellent article and good rebuttal from you my friend.

    Some SOJ fans are quick to point out perceived weaknesses in some objective analysis without offering anything of value themselves.

    This is the type of articles and discussions the Landing Strip needs, instead of the usual bickering and epidemic trolling.

    For the record I'm happy with the Coples pick and it appears the Jets got a steal. Stoked and looking forward to his growth and development/impact in Green and White

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