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Thread: Jets really did want Irvin and had trade in place w/ Pitt

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    So the Jets take Coples at 16 instead of trading back and getting Irvin in the mid-20's.


    The Jets realized Coples wasn't going to last that long.

    Sounds to me like they wanted Coples a lot more.

    But let's keep drudging up the fact that the Jets liked Irvin. Misleading thread title.

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    [QUOTE=JB1089;4463331]But they didn't. They could have panicked and overpaid someone to move up a few spots...but they didn't.[/QUOTE]

    They didn't because we backed out when Irvin was taken. Our plan looks like it was to drop back and taker either Coples or Irvin later on, once Irvin was gone our prospects of Coples being there at the 24 spot was low, so we backed out of the trade. PIT's offer was on the table.

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    [QUOTE=JB1089;4463532]A journalist that reveals their sources is a journalist without a job. No ones tells you anything worth knowing if they know you're not going to protect them.[/QUOTE]

    Aka no source? Every sports journalist is like the dude from Shattered Glass

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4463240]Jets should have taken DeCastro just based on the fact that the Steelers wanted him.[/QUOTE]

    Bah, only a SB-minded team like the Steelers would prioritize building an O-line.

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    [QUOTE=jetrider;4463725]Bah, only a SB-minded team like the Steelers would prioritize building an O-line.[/QUOTE]

    Is that why they waited until this year to finally do that?

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    [QUOTE=Snell41;4463710]They didn't because we backed out when Irvin was taken. Our plan looks like it was to drop back and taker either Coples or Irvin later on, once Irvin was gone our prospects of Coples being there at the 24 spot was low, so we backed out of the trade. PIT's offer was on the table.[/QUOTE]

    that sounds like it. the jets seemed willing to trade back if enough of the guys they liked were there. but once seattle took irvin, they figured it's not worth the risk. it's interesting that despite all the pre-draft talk, ingram isn't mentioned in these scenarios.

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    [QUOTE=k.Rhodes25;4463254]I'm still not buying that they were taking Irvin at 16, seems odd that the Jets would want to sign a small situational player like Irvin, especially when they have Maybin.

    Not to mention he has off the field issues, the Jets seemed to try and bring in high character players this offseason.[/QUOTE]

    Irvin is not only bigger, he's way faster than maybin too. Maybin's not all that quick compared to the speed this year's DE class has. Every first round pick was faster, even coples posted the same 40 time as maybin
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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4463698]So the Jets take Coples at 16 instead of trading back and getting Irvin in the mid-20's.


    The Jets realized Coples wasn't going to last that long.

    Sounds to me like they wanted Coples a lot more.

    But let's keep drudging up the fact that the Jets liked Irvin. Misleading thread title.[/QUOTE]

    Looking at all the information, it seems pretty clear what happened.

    1) The Jets didn't love what they thought their prospects would be at #16.
    2) The Jets had a trade set up with the Stillers in the event the board fell they way they expected it to. The Stillers would have been trading up for DeCastro.
    3) Irvin was one of the guys they felt would have been there at #24 and was one of the guys they would have targeted if they traded down.
    4) The Jets clearly liked/loved Coples but had no expectation that the would be there at #16.
    5) Once Coples fell to #16, any thoughts of trading down vanished and the Jets drafted the guy that they had rated very highly.

    JMO, but Irvin going at #14 didn't stop them from trading down - there was no guarantee he would be there at #24. The fact that Coples was surprisingly available was the reason they didn't trade down.

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    [QUOTE=cant wait;4463732]Is that why they waited until this year to finally do that?[/QUOTE]


    Yeah, Steelers haven't won a Super Bowl since 2009 (their sixth) and are beginning to panic.

    Go away, tardbreath.

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    [QUOTE=cant wait;4463740]Irvin is not only bigger, he's way faster than maybin too. Maybin's not all that quick compared to the speed this year's DE class has. Every first round pick was faster, even coples posted the same 40 time as maybin[/QUOTE]

    He didn't say anything about speed.

    He questioned bringing in a situational pass rusher when we laready have that. We didn't need that. We needed a 3 down pass rusher.

    He also questioned Irvin's character.

    And just because Irvin ran a bit faster than Maybin in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean he can get to the QB any faster. Straight 40 speed and football speed can be two very different things.

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    I guess I'm not sure why we should care. We got a player we were hogher on, who is stronger and bigger and more diverse. Besides, the draft is over. No offense to the OP, but that ship has sailed.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4463764]He didn't say anything about speed.

    He questioned bringing in a situational pass rusher when we laready have that. We didn't need that. We needed a 3 down pass rusher.

    He also questioned Irvin's character.

    And just because Irvin ran a bit faster than Maybin in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean he can get to the QB any faster. Straight 40 speed and football speed can be two very different things.[/QUOTE]

    A 4.5 40 is more than a bit faster than 4.78. The 40 time is not really as impressive as the 4.03 shuttle and 6.7 3-cone times. That's compared to maybins 4.38 shuttle and unimpressive 7.52 3-cone time

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4463764]He didn't say anything about speed.

    He questioned bringing in a situational pass rusher when we laready have that. We didn't need that. We needed a 3 down pass rusher.

    He also questioned Irvin's character.

    And just because Irvin ran a bit faster than Maybin in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean he can get to the QB any faster. Straight 40 speed and football speed can be two very different things.[/QUOTE]

    +1

    It's about shedding, avoiding blocks, and keeping the arms free to make plays.

    The top velocity in a 40 isn't reached in the first 5-10 yards anyway.

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    [QUOTE=cant wait;4463782]A 4.5 40 is more than a bit faster than 4.78. The 40 time is not really as impressive as the 4.03 shuttle and 6.7 3-cone times. That's compared to maybins 4.38 shuttle and unimpressive 7.52 3-cone time[/QUOTE]
    Maybin ran a 4.59 at his Pro Day.

    Also, need I remind you about Gholston's stats at the Combine?

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4463791]Maybin ran a 4.59 at his Pro Day.

    Also, need I remind you about Gholston's stats at the Combine?[/QUOTE]

    He ran a 4.64 according to nfldraftscout but that's not the point. Irvin has truly elite speed, something maybin or gholston didn't show at the combine

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    [QUOTE=cant wait;4463803]He ran a 4.64 according to nfldraftscout but that's not the point. Irvin has truly elite speed, something maybin or gholston didn't show at the combine[/QUOTE]
    When's the last time you've heard anyone complain about Maybin's speed? Especially his closing speed?

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;4463746]Looking at all the information, it seems pretty clear what happened.

    1) The Jets didn't love what they thought their prospects would be at #16.
    2) The Jets had a trade set up with the Stillers in the event the board fell they way they expected it to. The Stillers would have been trading up for DeCastro.
    3) Irvin was one of the guys they felt would have been there at #24 and was one of the guys they would have targeted if they traded down.
    4) The Jets clearly liked/loved Coples but had no expectation that the would be there at #16.
    5) Once Coples fell to #16, any thoughts of trading down vanished and the Jets drafted the guy that they had rated very highly.

    JMO, but Irvin going at #14 didn't stop them from trading down - there was no guarantee he would be there at #24. The fact that Coples was surprisingly available was the reason they didn't trade down.[/QUOTE]

    agree with this. the trade down scenario was contingent on noone there at 16 they really wanted. if barron were there they'd probably have drafted him, if coples was off the board. but maybe irvin going at 15 did give them 2nd thoughs as well. maybe if irvin were still available, they thought they could get an olb they liked but with him gone and the prospect of an early run on them, they just stayed at 16.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;4463746]Looking at all the information, it seems pretty clear what happened.

    1) The Jets didn't love what they thought their prospects would be at #16.
    2) The Jets had a trade set up with the Stillers in the event the board fell they way they expected it to. The Stillers would have been trading up for DeCastro.
    3) Irvin was one of the guys they felt would have been there at #24 and was one of the guys they would have targeted if they traded down.
    4) The Jets clearly liked/loved Coples but had no expectation that the would be there at #16.
    5) Once Coples fell to #16, any thoughts of trading down vanished and the Jets drafted the guy that they had rated very highly.

    JMO, but Irvin going at #14 didn't stop them from trading down - there was no guarantee he would be there at #24. The fact that Coples was surprisingly available was the reason they didn't trade down.[/QUOTE]
    Totally agree.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4463818]When's the last time you've heard anyone complain about Maybin's speed? Especially his closing speed?[/QUOTE]

    The difference between Maybin and Irvin is that Irvin has a great move where he fakes outside, the tackle adjusts, and he goes inside.

    Maybin just does that weird loop thing where he gets thrown out of the play by the tackle, and then runs back around to sack the QB if he still has the ball.

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    [QUOTE=Kotch;4463833]The difference between Maybin and Irvin is that Irvin has a great move where he fakes outside, the tackle adjusts, and he goes inside.

    Maybin just does that weird loop thing where he gets thrown out of the play by the tackle, and then runs back around to sack the QB if he still has the ball.[/QUOTE]

    irvin may be better but both are liabilities against the run.

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