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    Jets Building towards a 4-3 Defense

    I don't post much. But thought this was a good read

    [url]http://turnonthejets.com/2012/05/new-york-jets-building-towards-a-4-3-defense/[/url]

    Rex Ryan has never been hesitant about using a variety of defensive looks since becoming the head coach of the New York Jets. However, they have predominantly been a 3-4 team. After a disappointing 2011 season, it appears the Jets will looking to use more 4-3 alignments this season and will be looking for different things out of a few key players in their system.

    Surprisingly, defensive line has developed into the deepest position on the Jets roster. They have one of the best nose tackles in football in Sione Pouha, a promising second year player in Muhammad Wilkerson and one of the league’s better run stoppers in Mike DeVito. Behind them, Marcus Dixon was very good off the bench last year at both defensive end and defensive tackle. Last year’s third round pick Kenrick Ellis has the physical potential to be a force inside and Martin Tevaseau is a capable rotation player. Finally, they surprised many by selecting defensive end Quinton Coples in the first round.

    On the other hand, the Jets have many questions at linebacker outside of David Harris. Calvin Pace is coming off his worst season with the team and appears to have lost his burst getting after the quarterback. Bart Scott is also coming off his worst season with the team and is a major liability on passing downs. Bryan Thomas is going to be 33 years old and is coming off major surgery. Aaron Maybin is a hybrid defensive end/linebacker and is predominantly just a pass rush threat. Demario Davis has plenty of potential but is ultimately still a third round rookie.

    Outside of Maybin (who is built like a safety), the Jets have asked their linebackers to lose weight and improve their speed. Pace and Thomas are going to spend more time being pure linebackers instead of having different formations where they put their hand in the dirt because the Jets have enough capable defensive lineman.

    It is a smart move by Rex Ryan to cater his defense to his depth chart. These is no need to fit square pegs in round holes. You play to your strengths and the Jets strength should be their defensive line more so than their linebackers. Ryan wisely hired a defensive line coach in Karl Dunbar, who was coaching a 4-3 in Minnesota to help with this adjustment. The Jets have a versatile front with most players being able to slide between defensive tackle and defensive end. Ryan should be able to send out a myriad of lineups that could both stop the run and rush the passer.

    For example, a line-up with DeVito and Pouha at defensive tackle with Coples and Wilkerson at end, should be capable against the run while still getting push to the quarterback. On third downs, you could slide Coples inside to defensive tackle, bring Aaron Maybin in at end and then replace Bart Scott with Demario Davis or an extra safety to get after the quarterback.

    Regardless of what the Jets de facto starting line-up ends up being, expect to see four to five defensive lineman getting major reps throughout the game while a player like Bryan Thomas could end up playing less than 50% of the snaps. It is also hard to see a scenario where Pace and Scott don’t see a decline in their reps.

    The Jets strength on defense is cornerback and defensive line, Rex Ryan should be smart enough to build his game-plans around these two positions

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    You mean building towards a 4-3 defense.

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    How can you take a 3-4 defense and build towards a 3-4 defense? :eek:

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    I don't know enough about the intricies of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3.

    All I know is if our talent is better suited to one over the other, DO IT. Not that I have a problem with deception, flexibility, etc., etc. -- but how about we just put our best product on the field and dare other teams to beat it . . .

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    Once the Pats did this a few years back you knew we were soon to follow.

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    C'mon man, you had ONE thing to make sure to get right in the title, and you f**ked it up.

    Anyway, this is about what most people were thinking. Our linebackers have become dinasaurish and we've only gotten younger on the defensive line. It's a smart move if they do it. With Coples and Big Mo on the end, they will be DEADLY on inside stunts.

    Also, this helps with our newer backers, Davis and Maybin, who are on the lighter side and have a harder time shedding blockers.

    Lastly, we gotta keep Devito on the field as much as possible (at least on 1st and 2nd) because he is a baller. This will help.

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    [QUOTE=Johnny Rico;4465068]C'mon man, you had ONE thing to make sure to get right in the title, and you f**ked it up.[/QUOTE]

    Lol

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    Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha. JMO.
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.

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    [QUOTE=Turnbub;4465027]

    For example, a line-up with DeVito and Pouha at defensive tackle with Coples and Wilkerson at end, should be capable against the run while still getting push to the quarterback. On third downs, you could slide Coples inside to defensive tackle, bring Aaron Maybin in at end and then replace Bart Scott with Demario Davis or an extra safety to get after the quarterback.

    [/QUOTE]

    I actually like the sounds of this.

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    Nice read. Thank you for posting it...

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    Do you guys think David Harris is better suited for ILB in a 3-4 or a MLB in a 4-3? Or, would he do about the same in both?

    If Bart is viewed as a slight liability, or average at best, then moving him off the field and deploying a potentially monstrous front 4 could be a real upgrade.

    I mean, are we looking at something like this in our future?

    Wilkerson Pouha Ellis Coples

    Pace Harris Davis

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    [QUOTE=ASH_1962;4465110]Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha.[B] JMO[/B].
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, that is just your opinion, because Pouha is one of the best NTs in football. It's really him and Wilfork, Casey Hampton is on the decline. I read yesterday that PFF graded him out as the 36th best player in the NFL last year, at any position.

    He was a late bloomer. And because of that, some people are never going to recognize the player that he has become. All of the guys who follow the league that actually do player by player evaluations have commented on Pouha's high level of play over the past few years.

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    This confims what many of us were speculating after the picks of Coples and Davis.

    It must have finally sunk in after watching the Giants beat Tammy for the second time in 4 years.

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    [QUOTE=ASH_1962;4465110]Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha. JMO.
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.[/QUOTE]

    Go look at the PFF evaluations online and you will see that Pouha is among the best DT's in football. Not just last year, but the year before too.

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    [QUOTE=ASH_1962;4465110]Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha. JMO.
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.[/QUOTE]

    Not only is he one of the best NT's in football, he is one of the best defensive players period.

    [url]http://www.rantsports.com/new-york-jets/2012/05/05/new-york-jets-darrelle-revis-nick-mangold-sione-pouha-among-the-best-nfl-players-of-2011/[/url]

    "Coming in at number 36 on the PFF Top 101 of 2011 is defensive tackle Sione Pouha, who had an outstanding season as the anchor of the Jets defensive line last year."

    "This Jet isn’t a player who does a great job of getting to the quarterback, though he did manage a sack and 11 hurries in limited pass rushing opportunities (a +0.7 pass rushing grade). Where his strength lies is his work in the run game, making him an integral part of one of the league’s best defenses. Pouha had our highest grade of all defensive tackles, doing an excellent shop of shedding blocks to make plays, or simply pushing offensive linemen about to re-direct runs. Such a talent.

    Best Performance: Week 16 versus New York Giants (+5.2)

    Key Stat: 37 defensive stops were the second most of all defensive tackles."

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    [QUOTE=ASH_1962;4465110]Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha. JMO.
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.[/QUOTE]
    :huh:

    Really?

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    [QUOTE=ASH_1962;4465110]Oh you had me until you said Pouha is one of the best NT's in football.

    Vince Wilfork is one of the best NT's in football, not Sione Pouha. JMO.
    Having said that, Pouha is decent and has done a fairly good job developing.[/QUOTE]

    Please just become a Patriots fan, your shtick is so old. But, hey, this is JI afterall. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4465146]Please just become a Patriots fan, your shtick is so old. But, hey, this is JI afterall. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    He misspelled his name. It has an H at the end instead of an S.

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    Speculation because of one draft pick, Coples. We've shown every defensive look imaginable since Rex has been here and will continue to do so. We're certainly not copying the Pats, Giants or any other team.

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;4465130]Do you guys think David Harris is better suited for ILB in a 3-4 or a MLB in a 4-3? Or, would he do about the same in both?

    If Bart is viewed as a slight liability, or average at best, then moving him off the field and deploying a potentially monstrous front 4 could be a real upgrade.

    I mean, are we looking at something like this in our future?

    Wilkerson Pouha Ellis Coples

    Pace Harris Davis[/QUOTE]
    Calvin Pace is not a Lb in the 4-3. Maybe you see A Maybin at one of the Lb position, but serious doubt you see C pace playing any Lb position in 4-3.

    Maybe down the road the Jets could have makings of a very good 4-3. JMO With that four man front Wilkerson, Pouha, Ellis and Coples I don't know how much pressure you would generate on a Qb next year.
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