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    [QUOTE=Maury77;4467429]Some guys get hit and come back into the game, others get hit and they start missing games. If there is one thing Sanchez has over Stafford, its durability.[/QUOTE]

    If Sanchez had had a competent backup last season, it's arguable that there were a few games where he could have and probably should have sat out based on some of the hits he took and how playing in pain affected his game. It might have saved the season.

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4467332]This is an amazing stat. To me, it exemplifies my own opinion that the implosion by the team last year was even more due to team issues, players not performing, not running their routes hard enough, not blocking hard enough, not buying into the offensive system, not doing their jobs to the best of their abilities, because maybe they were frustrated. Link this with the comments by players already in the last week, with players commenting on the system change, we are getting comments like "It's night and day," "less verbiage," "less confusing." We also saw comments that players thought the the game calling and formations became too predictable.

    All of this to me, isn't solely on Sanchez, it also gives me even confidence Sanchez can outgrow his inconsistencies.[/QUOTE]

    Completely agree...Im curious if that is "9 Turnovers from sanchez" or from the team. Don't forget holmes AWFUL fumble that was 100% due to a lack of effort.

    I think its funny that people think that sanchez not necessarily thinking he was hurting the team shows a lack of leadership. He is 26 years old, for the 15 years he has been playing competitive football he has most likely been the best player on the field and the main reason his team won. He lost 1 game at USC and I believe 1 in HS. Then goes to 2 straight AFC championship games. All this while having the confidence that any big time QB is born with. Why would he think he was the problem? It takes time to learn your limitations and some humility....again, the kid is 26.

    I think the article is a great step in the right direction.

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4467332]This is an amazing stat. To me, it exemplifies my own opinion that the implosion by the team last year was even more due to team issues, players not performing, not running their routes hard enough, not blocking hard enough, not buying into the offensive system, not doing their jobs to the best of their abilities, because maybe they were frustrated. Link this with the comments by players already in the last week, with players commenting on the system change, we are getting comments like "It's night and day," "less verbiage," "less confusing." We also saw comments that players thought the the game calling and formations became too predictable.

    All of this to me, isn't solely on Sanchez, it also gives me even confidence Sanchez can outgrow his inconsistencies.[/QUOTE]

    Does this wonderfull stat that you are so gaga about incorporates the Ebb and Flo of the game and or the # of fumbles mr Sanchez had up to that point also.Does this Awesome stat tell us how many open receivers Mr Sanchez overthrew/underthrew due to his miserable habit of stumbling backwards in the pocket instead of steping up or sliding in the pocket to allow a rushing defender to overrun him giving him that extra time to hit the receiver who was coming open.

    Stats are great,when u want to make a point,just like youtube Videos that show the best plays of a player.Watching actual game,where the mistakes are made that causes you to win or loose a game gives you a more correct assesment of how a player actually performed.When a QB throws into tripple coverage and the receiver makes the catch,it's not a great decision.When a WR is wide open but the ball is so poorly thrown that all the receiver can do is make the catch and fall down ending the play,it's a bad throw.All the fans care about is that the balll was completed but a coach knows that an oportunity was missed.

    These are the things that make Mark Sanchez less than ideal in my eyes,but that's just me.These are the things that madeChad Pennington less than ideal in my eyes and i liked him as a QB.This is going to be Sanchez's 4th yr,and dispite him having to learn a new scheme,i expect to see improvement in all these areas.When u can't run for 30 yards or fit a pass into a tight window when a receiver is single covered,you have to do the little things that gives u the best chance to succeed.

    Mark Sanchez absolutely sucks at the little things:

    1~ Stepping up in the pocket and waiting for the last second to deliver the ball.

    2~ Avoiding the rush giving himself that extra second.

    3~ Hitting a receiver in stride after going through all the reads.

    4~ Coming off your primary receiver when he's covered and staying poised.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4467357]I'm sorry, but this is no more than some urban myth floating around Jetland.

    Do people make excuses for his poor play? Sure. Shaky OL, Schotty too complex, WR corp too inconsistent . . . do you disagree with ANY of them? Do you think it's even POSSIBLE they may have contributed to his less than stellar performance?

    But for all the excuses I've heard, they've NEVER "given Mark a pass". They've always acknowledged he needs to improve if he wants to be the future of this franchise.

    The argument isn't over whether he was "good" or not last year -- it's about what he can still be NEXT YEAR and beyond. Some posters have already given up on him, others haven't. This year is likely going to go a long way towards proving who is right . . .[/QUOTE]

    excellent post.

    I liken this to the Schoddy situation, where certain posters insisted that the rest of us we're making the case that Schoddy was the SOLE problem with the Jets offense.

    They're just setting up a straw-man (with an extreme, indefensible position) to knock down.

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    Incidentally, Bassett just wrote a good post *kinda* about this...

    [url]http://www.thejetsblog.com/2012/05/14/blast-from-the-past-what-rex-wants/[/url]
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    We were going back through old posts for kicks, and saw an article from 2009 that we thought was just as relevant to the Jets as they head into the 2012 season as it was then … the major difference of course is who the team’s offensive coordinator is now, but back in 2009, Brian Schottenheimer stayed on with the Jets as the team’s offensive coordinator after missing his chance at getting the Jets head coaching job (phew!) and was asked what Rex wanted Schottenheimer to do with his offense:

    You look for freedom in your job. Rex said from Day 1 here’s what I want to include, but go. That is something, when someone gives you that type of responsibility, I take it with great pride. He is the head coach. It’s his football team. But he truly has given me his blessings to lead this group more.”

    The writer goes on to note what Schottenheimer explains Rex wanted from him in his offense.

    [Rex] wants balance. To be able to run the ball when teams know it is coming and pass it when they know it is coming. He wants to be multiple in formations and shifts and approach. He will feature what his players do well, something every offensive player asks of his coordinator: Does he know what I do well? Is he going to feature that?

    I know this isn’t exactly news, but I do think that Schottenheimer’s thoughts about what Rex wanted show us some obvious reasons why the Rex and Schotty split had to happen from a pure offensive philosophical standpoint, and also what Rex probably re-emphasized for his new Offensive Coordinator going into the 2012 season. The biggest complaint many of us had about Schottenheimer’s offense was his utter predictability in his unpredictability. Ryan doesn’t care about unpredictability, what he wants is execution even in the predictability … an idea with which Vince Lombardi would agree.

    So while we’ve already seen and heard about this already, execution will be the buzzword for the offense this spring and summer. It’s all going to come down to execution and making the play even if the other team knows what’s coming.

    OK, now this is just for fun … here’s probably one of the most amusing parts of the article.

    He is a play-caller who looks at the huddle from the sideline and decides “I want to get the ball to this player.” And he makes his calls, in part, based on that. He will give his quarterbacks some flexibility, but “you might see a stare every now and then when the ball is not going where we want it.”

    An interesting point to re-visit, because wasn’t that one of the biggest problems with the Jets offense and with Sanchez’s play so far? Plaxico would have a big game and get many more targets than his peers, then it would be Santonio, then it would be Keller, etc. etc. My point is, if Schottenheimer is buzzing in Sanchez’s ear about how he needs to get the ball to Plaxico … wouldn’t that only heighten the “lock on” issues that we incessantly talk about when it comes to Sanchez?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4467343]Sanchez has virtually the same stats Eli did after Eli's first 3 seasons in the NFL, yet another theory that blows up in your agenda driven charade.[/QUOTE]

    not really because eli has the talent and smarts but mark just has talent......for eli is was just a matter of time for mark he might not ever get their.

    mark has better stats than peyton and elways first two years does that mean he will be as good? Oh and he kills aikmans first 2 years.

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    [QUOTE=Monsterxman;4467361]Sorry, not going to waste my time to list here only to have people point out how flawed the statistics are due to the number of throws he made, the offensive lines poor yards per run avg., the wr inability to get open, no deep threat, etc..

    In addition to my own eyes, my opinions are formed from website that many NFL teams use themselves. I also have read every article I could find on the Jets offensive line last year... Sure you can find a few that say Hunter is bad, but none of them that actually look at the stats have them rated lower than 17.

    You know what the only difference between 2009, 2010 and last year?

    Mark Sanchez was not pressured at all in those 2 years, while last year he was pressured like an average qb and folded.[/QUOTE]


    bingo no more needs to be said this is exactly right..............if he does not have a top supporting cast he curls up in the fetal position and lets the team run him instead of being a leader and taking the reins.

    like I said when the diapers come off he is avg at best.

    does he even know what a audible is? I guess it don't matter if he can't read the freaking defense.

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4467362]What QB in the league overcomes pressure? It's pretty damn hard to make plays when you are running for your life, or hit from behind when you don't see it coming. This happens to every QB in the league, HOF QB's..

    Dumb statement.[/QUOTE]

    Sacks Leaders - All Players
    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
    [B]1 Alex Smith, QB SF[/B] 445 273 61.3 3,144 7.07 56 17 5 44 90.7 197
    2 Tarvaris Jackson, QB SEA 450 271 60.2 3,091 6.87 61 14 13 42 79.2 206
    [B]3 Ben Roethlisberger, QB[/B] PIT 513 324 63.2 4,077 7.95 95 21 14 40 90.1 272
    Blaine Gabbert, QB JAC 413 210 50.8 2,214 5.36 74 12 11 40 65.4 148
    5 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 543 308 56.7 3,474 6.40 74 26 18 39 78.2 217
    6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 522 346 66.3 4,184 8.02 77 31 10 36 102.5 262
    [B]Aaron Rodgers, QB[/B] GB 502 343 68.3 4,643 9.25 93 45 6 36 122.5 310
    Matt Moore, QB MIA 347 210 60.5 2,497 7.20 65 16 9 36 87.1 192
    [B]Matthew Stafford, QB[/B] DET 663 421 63.5 5,038 7.60 73 41 16 36 97.2 315
    Sam Bradford, QB STL 357 191 53.5 2,164 6.06 68 6 6 36 70.5 216
    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
    11 Cam Newton, QB CAR 517 310 60.0 4,051 7.84 91 21 17 35 84.5 253
    12 Tim Tebow, QB DEN 271 126 46.5 1,729 6.38 56 12 6 33 72.9 124
    [B]13 Tom Brady, QB NE[/B] 611 401 65.6 5,235 8.57 99 39 12 32 105.6 327
    Colt McCoy, QB CLE 463 265 57.2 2,733 5.90 56 14 11 32 74.6 210
    [B]15 Joe Flacco, QB [/B]BAL 542 312 57.6 3,610 6.66 74 20 12 31 80.9 226
    16 Philip Rivers, QB SD 582 366 62.9 4,624 7.95 58 27 20 30 88.7 289
    Kevin Kolb, QB ARI 253 146 57.7 1,955 7.73 73 9 8 30 81.1 217
    Christian Ponder, QB MIN 291 158 54.3 1,853 6.37 72 13 13 30 70.1 168
    19 Josh Freeman, QB TB 551 346 62.8 3,592 6.52 65 16 22 29 74.6 239
    20 Eli Manning, QB NYG 589 359 61.0 4,933 8.38 99 29 16 28 92.9 308
    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
    21 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 566 347 61.3 4,177 7.38 80 29 12 26 92.2 261
    22 Rex Grossman, QB WSH 458 265 57.9 3,151 6.88 51 16 20 25 72.4 242
    23 Drew Brees, QB NO 657 468 71.2 5,476 8.34 79 46 14 24 110.6 342
    Andy Dalton, QB CIN 516 300 58.1 3,398 6.59 84 20 13 24 80.4 212
    25 Michael Vick, QB PHI 423 253 59.8 3,303 7.81 73 18 14 23 84.9 254
    Jay Cutler, QB CHI 314 182 58.0 2,319 7.39 56 13 7 23 85.7 232
    John Skelton, QB ARI 275 151 54.9 1,913 6.96 60 11 14 23 68.9 239
    28 Matt Cassel, QB KC 269 160 59.5 1,713 6.37 52 10 9 22 76.6 190
    Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 569 353 62.0 3,832 6.74 60 24 23 22 79.1 240
    30 Matt Hasselbeck, QB TEN 518 319 61.6 3,571 6.89 80 18 14 19 82.4 223
    RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
    Caleb Hanie, QB CHI 102 51 50.0 613 6.01 81 3 9 19 41.8 102
    32 Carson Palmer, QB OAK 328 199 60.7 2,753 8.39 78 13 16 17 80.5 275
    33 Donovan McNabb, QB MIN 156 94 60.3 1,026 6.58 60 4 2 16 82.9 171
    Matt Schaub, QB HOU 292 178 61.0 2,479 8.49 80 15 6 16 96.8 248
    John Beck, QB WSH 132 80 60.6 858 6.50 32 2 4 16 72.1 215
    Curtis Painter, QB IND 243 132 54.3 1,541 6.34 87 6 9 16 66.6 171
    37 T.J. Yates, QB HOU 134 82 61.2 949 7.08 50 3 3 15 80.7 158
    38 Dan Orlovsky, QB IND 193 122 63.2 1,201 6.22 40 6 4 14 82.4 150
    39 Tyler Palko, QB KC 134 80 59.7 796 5.94 38 2 7 11 59.8 133
    Chad Henne, QB MIA 112 64 57.1 868 7.75 41 4 4 11 79.0 217

    [url]http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks[/url]

    the bolded players were sacked more than sanchez or around the same.

    What are their excuses?

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4467343]Sanchez has virtually the same stats Eli did after Eli's first 3 seasons in the NFL, yet another theory that blows up in your agenda driven charade.[/QUOTE]

    This is funny as hell.

    Comparing a below average QB to one of the elite QB's in the NFL. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Tinstar;4467436]Does this wonderfull stat that you are so gaga about incorporates the Ebb and Flo of the game and or the # of fumbles mr Sanchez had up to that point also.Does this Awesome stat tell us how many open receivers Mr Sanchez overthrew/underthrew due to his miserable habit of stumbling backwards in the pocket instead of steping up or sliding in the pocket to allow a rushing defender to overrun him giving him that extra time to hit the receiver who was coming open.

    Stats are great,when u want to make a point,just like youtube Videos that show the best plays of a player.Watching actual game,where the mistakes are made that causes you to win or loose a game gives you a more correct assesment of how a player actually performed.When a QB throws into tripple coverage and the receiver makes the catch,it's not a great decision.When a WR is wide open but the ball is so poorly thrown that all the receiver can do is make the catch and fall down ending the play,it's a bad throw.All the fans care about is that the balll was completed but a coach knows that an oportunity was missed.

    These are the things that make Mark Sanchez less than ideal in my eyes,but that's just me.These are the things that madeChad Pennington less than ideal in my eyes and i liked him as a QB.This is going to be Sanchez's 4th yr,and dispite him having to learn a new scheme,i expect to see improvement in all these areas.When u can't run for 30 yards or fit a pass into a tight window when a receiver is single covered,you have to do the little things that gives u the best chance to succeed.

    Mark Sanchez absolutely sucks at the little things:

    1~ Stepping up in the pocket and waiting for the last second to deliver the ball.

    2~ Avoiding the rush giving himself that extra second.

    3~ Hitting a receiver in stride after going through all the reads.

    4~ Coming off your primary receiver when he's covered and staying poised.[/QUOTE]

    yet he had 21 tds and 11 picks and was 8-5 before the team melted.

    did he do these thing better in those 13 games?

    truth, what i got out of that article is that sanchez hasn't embraced the game manager concept and tries to improvise too much and it gets him into trouble.

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    [QUOTE]"So I spent a lot of time with him talking about 'Let's get focused on managing the game,'" Cavanaugh added. [/QUOTE]

    So after 3 years of starting, 6 playoff games, they want to make Sanchez a game manager? I guess they dont see the Eli comparision that 99% of Jet fans do.

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4467489]So after 3 years of starting, 6 playoff games, they want to make Sanchez a game manager? I guess they dont see the Eli comparision that 99% of Jet fans do.[/QUOTE]

    yeah our franchise QB is a poor mans matt ryan...............yay

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    Mark takes a pounding blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Mark Says all the right things blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Slow WRs blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



    Put on the tape of Eli in the NFCCG. One of the worst beatings I have ever seen a QB take. Got up every single time. No writhing on the ground. No limping. No shoulder slouching with his head down.

    You have heard the analysts say it. The book on Sanchez is to hit him early and he won't recover.

    Put up or shut up time.

    I credit Mark for not making excuses. I hate the fanboys that make the excuses for him.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4467485]This is funny as hell.

    Comparing a below average QB to one of the elite QB's in the NFL. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for calling Sanchez elite, but really we should wait until after this season, don't ya think?

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4467493]Mark takes a pounding blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Mark Says all the right things blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Slow WRs blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



    Put on the tape of Eli in the NFCCG. One of the worst beatings I have ever seen a QB take. Got up every single time. No writhing on the ground. No limping. No shoulder slouching with his head down.

    You have heard the analysts say it. The book on Sanchez is to hit him early and he won't recover.

    Put up or shut up time.

    I credit Mark for not making excuses. I hate the fanboys that make the excuses for him.[/QUOTE]

    So the folks who Mark was throwing to had nothing to do with his lack of success last season? THat makes folks fanboys? Ok.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4467485]This is funny as hell.

    Comparing a below average QB to one of the elite QB's in the NFL. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1orMXD_Ijbs[/url]

    Right, so comparing Sanchez and Eli, identical stats during their first 3 years when neither QB was elite, is unfounded?!

    Then I guess we really can't compare Brady to Peyton, the NFLs best QB ever.
    :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=ucrenegade;4467492]yeah our franchise QB is a poor mans matt ryan...............yay[/QUOTE]

    That would suggest Matt Ryan having a strong arm...

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    [QUOTE=NYJets 4 Life;4467498]So the folks who Mark was throwing to had nothing to do with his lack of success last season? THat makes folks fanboys? Ok.[/QUOTE]

    No.

    But they didn't have as much to do with his lack of success as Mark, himself.

    There are people here that give Sanchez practically zero blame for his performance.

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    [QUOTE=bgivs21;4467499]
    Right, so comparing Sanchez and Eli, identical stats during their first 3 years when neither QB was elite, is unfounded?!
    [/QUOTE]

    Hope I am wrong. But after this year I do not think people will be able to fall back on the Eli and Brees first 3 years pipe dreams.

    Year 4 is among us.

    The magic year.

    Will the caterpillar turn into a butterfly?

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4467489]So after 3 years of starting, 6 playoff games, they want to make Sanchez a game manager? I guess they dont see the Eli comparision that 99% of Jet fans do.[/QUOTE]

    The article said they want him to improve his game management, not make him a game manager.

    Knowing when to throw the ball away, or not force a throw, or take a "safe sack" (hold the ball and simply go down) is all game management tasks that great QBs do. They also have the ability to put up passing numbers and win games throwing so they arent labeled as "game managers"....definitely 2 different things.

    I do think the "slouched shoulders", and "yips" sanchez has shows in the pocket are legitimate concerns that need to be fixed. He winds up getting up off the ground and back into the game, but he has to exhibit more toughness for sure.

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