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Thread: Cinncinati Bengals show great interest in Braylon Edwards

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish;4468084]Sheer and utter nonsense. Total baloney. Are you saying that the perennial 50 catch 600 yard malcontent quitter called 'Tone' made more big plays than Edwards?

    Funny how every single downfield big play left when Edwards left. Oh yeah it is all because of Wayne Hunter. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    Perhaps Tone is a better WR than Edwards based on YAC, running the slant and overall elusiveness. But the Jets with Edwards are clearly a better team all round than with Holmes asked to carry the can on his lonesome. Deep threat, big plays and deep run blocking evaporated when Edwards left.
    If he's healthy and cheap sign this beast and watch the Jets O really take off.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4468044]What has Schilens shown in 4 NFL seasons? Patrick Turner? Scotty McKnight? Hill is a rookie with a rather small body of work but great athleticism. Jordan is an unknown commodity at this point as well.

    Maybe you're comfortable with that, but some of us aren't.[/QUOTE]

    Simple your going to be a run first team that relies heavy on the running game, who occasionally takes a shot down the field. That Wr corp is just fine with the type of offense you want to be in 2o12.

    Now you had a Tom Brady or some Qb the team felt could carry this offense in the passing game, than you might want to upgrade that Wr corp.
    OR you had Oline that was more proficient in pass protection than run blocking, again you could see the need to upgrade that Wr corp.

    Right now what you have on that side of the ball, you are going to sink and swim on offense what the running game does. Those big speed Wr you have are there to keep defense from cheating up to stop the run.

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4468078]Here's a clue Jordy.

    We were talking depth. By DEFINITION they are all depth players.

    You want to ask what have they done, their body of work?

    Am I comfortable? Why, how did that get into the conversation over depth? The concept of depth apparently went over your head.

    [B]Jeez, is there any point you wont argue?[/B][/QUOTE]
    LOL. I can say the same. ;)

    Here's the deal. Depth is fine. But to have depth, you need proven starters as well. Is Holmes a #1 WR? That's been debated here many times before. Let's assume he is. Who's a legitimate #2 right now? No one. We don't know. All those guys are potential and maybes right now. We can say Kerley is a legitimate #3 slot receiver. After that, the rest is conjecture at this point. So yes, while I know you were speaking of depth, my concern is the #1 and #2 spots. I like Hill. But he [U]may not[/U] be ready for that role. And I don't think any of the others are #2 material. If Edwards is healthy and the Jets can sign him to a cap-friendly contract, he'd be an excellent short-term solution until Hill develops into that role. JMO.

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    you gotta love the Braylon threads especially coming off a monster season where he was 100% healthy. YES! Lets keep this one going until 2015 baby!

    Braylon's been a huge distraction to the trolls with mentioning names like Woodhead, Abraham, Leon Washington ... hell I'm surprised I haven't seen Abram Elam, and Dwight Lowery mentioned yet. Come on trolls!

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    [QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4468528]you gotta love the Braylon threads especially coming off a monster season where he was 100% healthy. YES! Lets keep this one going until 2015 baby!

    Braylon's been a huge distraction to the trolls with mentioning names like Woodhead, Abraham, Leon Washington ... hell I'm surprised I haven't seen Abram Elam, and Dwight Lowery mentioned yet. Come on trolls![/QUOTE]

    Eh? What the hell are you talking about?

    The team had a fine year with Edwards in the lineup. He made big plays, had a good avg yds per catch. Developed chemistry with the QB and was a huge part of the team.

    The Jets decided to make big changes in their WR group last year with disastrous results. Their deep game disappeared, their red zone specialist couldn't get off the line fast enough to be a help outside of the redzone. The 2nd WR received a ton more attention with no deep threat.

    Now, Edwards is not coming back, the Jets ensured that by drafting Hill with is fine but the Edwards discussion is perfectly valid, he was a huge loss last year.

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    [QUOTE=jetglass;4467994]Because one of those guys is not an NFL caliber receiver even when healthy (which he never is), and the other one by all accounts is an extremely raw rookie. So if you are okay with Santonio Holmes getting triple covered on every play then I guess we are fine. Or maybe you are one of the handful of fans on this board who after witnessing Kerley play last season think he is the second coming of Jerry Rice.[/QUOTE]

    woah hold on there. Never said Kerley was the second coming of Rice, And no one wants Tone to be triple covered. It seems everyone that wants BE back is because he blocks well, can blow the top off Ds, and has chemistry w/ MS. Take a look at this, BE is coming off a knee injury, did he lose a step? Wasn't used much, in a WR starved SF. No one else wants him even now. He had one solid year with out the dropsies. As far as chemistry, he's been out of the system for a year. We have 2 if not 3 WRs on staff that can do two of BEs 3 assets as well if not better (block and run fast). They are young and provide a longer timeline of effectiveness. So basically they need to get on the same page as MS and we have as good, if not better options. Not to mention it has nothing to do with our assessments, the FO DOESN'T WANT HIM. So, please, don't try to belittle my opinion by putting words in my mouth. I know it's an oft used tactic on this board, but that doesn't make it anymore viable.

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    [QUOTE=CraigFL;4468575]woah hold on there. Never said Kerley was the second coming of Rice, And no one wants Tone to be triple covered. It seems everyone that wants BE back is because he blocks well, can blow the top off Ds, and has chemistry w/ MS. Take a look at this, BE is coming off a knee injury, did he lose a step? Wasn't used much, in a WR starved SF. No one else wants him even now. He had one solid year with out the dropsies. As far as chemistry, he's been out of the system for a year. We have 2 if not 3 WRs on staff that can do two of BEs 3 assets as well if not better (block and run fast). They are young and provide a longer timeline of effectiveness. So basically they need to get on the same page as MS and we have as good, if not better options. Not to mention it has nothing to do with our assessments, the FO DOESN'T WANT HIM. So, please, don't try to belittle my opinion by putting words in my mouth. I know it's an oft used tactic on this board, but that doesn't make it anymore viable.[/QUOTE]

    For a dog in a Jets jersey, you're pretty smart. ;) I think you're right that the Edwards train has left the station.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4468527]LOL. I can say the same. ;)

    Here's the deal. Depth is fine. But to have depth, you need proven starters as well. Is Holmes a #1 WR? That's been debated here many times before. Let's assume he is. Who's a legitimate #2 right now? No one. We don't know. All those guys are potential and maybes right now. We can say Kerley is a legitimate #3 slot receiver. After that, the rest is conjecture at this point. So yes, while I know you were speaking of depth, my concern is the #1 and #2 spots. I like Hill. But he [U]may not[/U] be ready for that role. And I don't think any of the others are #2 material. If Edwards is healthy and the Jets can sign him to a cap-friendly contract, he'd be an excellent short-term solution until Hill develops into that role. JMO.[/QUOTE]

    You're just not getting it.

    I didn't come close to saying that we have quality at WR. Or that we don't need to improve at WR. My point was that bodies provide depth as per the definition of the word depth. That just adding a BE, on one leg, the guy who was a total scrub last season, adds nothing more than any other body.

    We need to get better play out of the WR position, I get it. Just that wasn't part of the point.

    Relax.

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4468073]Except that he wasn't even our best WR.[/QUOTE]
    I believe he was.

    Not only from a statistical point of view but he also was our best blocking WR. I can't believe how some of you are underestimating what he did for the Jets in 2010.

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    [QUOTE=LadainianIMnotDONE;4468528]you gotta love the Braylon threads especially coming off a monster season where he was 100% healthy. YES! Lets keep this one going until 2015 baby!

    Braylon's been a huge distraction to the trolls with mentioning names like Woodhead, Abraham, Leon Washington ... hell I'm surprised I haven't seen Abram Elam, and Dwight Lowery mentioned yet. Come on trolls![/QUOTE]

    You're .... back?

    [IMG]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o288/KiyToMyHeart/Gif/Gif14.gif[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=CraigFL;4468575]Take a look at this, BE is coming off a knee injury, did he lose a step? Wasn't used much, in a WR starved SF. No one else wants him even now. He had one solid year with out the dropsies. As far as chemistry, he's been out of the system for a year. We have 2 if not 3 WRs on staff that can do two of BEs 3 assets as well if not better (block and run fast). They are young and provide a longer timeline of effectiveness. So basically they need to get on the same page as MS and we have as good, if not better options. Not to mention it has nothing to do with our assessments, the FO DOESN'T WANT HIM. So, please, don't try to belittle my opinion by putting words in my mouth. I know it's an oft used tactic on this board, but that doesn't make it anymore viable.[/QUOTE]

    So because he couldn't get into a rhythm in SF, he suddenly lost the talent he displayed with the Jets? If you remember, it took BE a while to get into rhythm with the Jets in 2009. This makes no sense. He did what he did here. No one wants him right now because he's not 100% recovered from surgery. Also, last off-season was a very short one. It's hard to guage teams' interests and decisions based on that short of a time frame. And to say that there is someone on the roster right now that can do what Edwards did in 2010 is pure conjecture. Schilens and Turner are as good at blocking as Edwards was? Really? Hey, it's possible that Edwards may not be 100%...ever. If so, then this is all moot. But that doesn't mean what you've said here is accurate.

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4468600]You're just not getting it.

    I didn't come close to saying that we have quality at WR. Or that we don't need to improve at WR. My point was that bodies provide depth as per the definition of the word depth. That just adding a BE, on one leg, the guy who was a total scrub last season, adds nothing more than any other body.

    We need to get better play out of the WR position, I get it. Just that wasn't part of the point.

    Relax.[/QUOTE]
    I'm so tired of reading about what Edwards did last year. He had an injury in September. I have repeatedly said that I would like Edwards back [B]if he is 100%.[/B] Because if he's 100%, he's a sure thing in this lineup. Period. What he did last season is irrelevant to me if he's healthy this year.

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    Can we let Braylon go already please? He's never going to be 100% healthy, and we drafted a young, fast guy who is going to be ready to play as the #2 reciever in a ground and pound attack right away. Stop this obsession.

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    Braylon is a warrior!! Dragged two Patriots in the endzone, in the playoffs, in foxboro! We're 0-2 vs Pats since the FO dissed BE.

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    [QUOTE=Raider9175;4468424]Simple your going to be a run first team that relies heavy on the running game, who occasionally takes a shot down the field. That Wr corp is just fine with the type of offense you want to be in 2o12.

    Now you had a Tom Brady or some Qb the team felt could carry this offense in the passing game, than you might want to upgrade that Wr corp.
    OR you had Oline that was more proficient in pass protection than run blocking, again you could see the need to upgrade that Wr corp.

    Right now what you have on that side of the ball, you are going to sink and swim on offense what the running game does. Those big speed Wr you have are there to keep defense from cheating up to stop the run.[/QUOTE]

    Really good post

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    [QUOTE=Ron Swanson;4468667]Can we let Braylon go already please? He's never going to be 100% healthy, and we drafted a young, fast guy who is going to be ready to play as the #2 reciever in a ground and pound attack right away. Stop this obsession.[/QUOTE]
    Bismillah! No - I will not let him go - let him go. Bismillah! I will not let him go [B]...[/B]

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    Raider9175- you know Shilens stays hurt 91.8% of the season. Hill is a rookie coming from an option offense at GT. Turner obviously isn't that good, has proven nothing. I don't see where it hurts to sign Braylon. CAN ANYONE TELL ME A[B][U] GOOD [/U][/B]REASON WHY IT WOULD HURT THE JETS TO SIGN BRAYLON?

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    [QUOTE=endgameeugenics;4468705]Raider9175- you know Shilens stays hurt 91.8% of the season. Hill is a rookie coming from an option offense at GT. Turner obviously isn't that good, has proven nothing. I don't see where it hurts to sign Braylon. CAN ANYONE TELL ME A[B][U] GOOD [/U][/B]REASON WHY IT WOULD HURT THE JETS TO SIGN BRAYLON?[/QUOTE]

    Health.

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    [QUOTE=Yankeejet22;4468713]Health.[/QUOTE]

    Chaz Shilens

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    [QUOTE]CAN ANYONE TELL ME A GOOD REASON WHY IT WOULD HURT THE JETS TO SIGN BRAYLON? [/QUOTE]

    Cause we have young guys like Stephen Hill and Kerley who are the future of this team. They need to be on the field. End of story.

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