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Thread: Kenrick Ellis: Pre trial hearing this Thursday

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    Kenrick Ellis: Pre trial hearing this Thursday

    Link: [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/12358/kenricks-legal-woes-on-frontburner"]http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/12358/kenricks-legal-woes-on-frontburner[/URL]

    From Cimini on ESPN:

    [QUOTE]Second-year NT Kenrick Ellis' legal odyssey could come into focus over the next two weeks.

    Ellis, facing a felony charge for malicious wounding, is scheduled for a pre-trial hearing Thursday in Hampton, Va., where he allegedly attacked a man in April, 2010. The criminal trial, already postponed twice, is set to begin May 22.

    Ellis was a student at Hampton University when the alleged incident occurred. He faces up to 20 years if convicted.

    The Jets were aware of the pending charges when they selected Ellis in the third round of the 2011 draft. A potential complication is that Ellis is not a U.S. citizen. Ellis, a native of Jamaica who moved to Florida at the age of 11, has "permanent resident" status. A permanent resident convicted of an aggravated felony is deportable, according to immigration law. People close to Ellis have said the alleged victim harassed his girlfriend and came after him with a baseball bat, prompting the lineman to act in self-defense.

    Ellis also is facing a civil suit. It was filed last April by Dennis Eley, who is seeking $3 million in damages. In his complaint, obtained by ESPNNewYork.com, he accused Ellis of beating him unconcious and breaking his nose and jaw, requiring two surgeries.

    Eley's attorney, S. Howard Woodson, recently withdrew the suit, but that was only a technicality -- it was about to lapse under Virginia state law -- and he told ESPNNewYork.com he intends to re-file.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]People close to Ellis have said the alleged victim harassed his girlfriend and came after him with a baseball bat, prompting the lineman to act in self-defense. [/QUOTE]

    If this is true then there is nothing to worry about right?

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4468484]If this is true then there is nothing to worry about right?[/QUOTE]

    Just need reasonable doubt.

    If these folks are witnesses, it will definitely help. Also, were they there or are they just going on hearsay.

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4468484]If this is true then there is nothing to worry about right?[/QUOTE]

    It depends on the evidence, do we know if there were witnesses? Or a police report that supports Ellis?

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    wouldn't it also have to do with how many times he hit him............I mean it would seem you would have to hit him alot to beat him unconscious so does that mean he kept hitting him after he was down if so that would be more than defense right?

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    [QUOTE=ucrenegade;4468500]wouldn't it also have to do with how many times he hit him............I mean it would seem you would have to hit him alot to beat him unconscious so does that mean he kept hitting him after he was down if so that would be more than defense right?[/QUOTE]

    It could take one punch to knock somebody unconscious. Especially from a 350 lb man.

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    There's a definite risk here, although I think it is relatively small. From all accounts this seems to be self defense and I think the Jets did their homework. If someone comes after you with a baseball bat it should be reasonable that you punch him in the face. Had neither guy had a weapon this would be much more dicey. It smells a little bit like a money grab by the plaintiff but we'll see.

    Hopefully, this is one of those 1-2 week trials and it's all buttoned up by June.

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    [QUOTE=Choon328;4468525]It could take one punch to knock somebody unconscious. Especially from a 350 lb man.[/QUOTE]

    yeah if the guy he punched was like 160 lbs and 5'09" I would assume unless he just got really lucky and landed a perfect shot like kermit washington.


    Infamous punch


    Kermit Washington punching Rudy Tomjanovich on December 9, 1977.
    On December 9, 1977, during an NBA game between the Lakers and the Houston Rockets, a scuffle broke out between several players at midcourt.[57]

    The events that precipitated the fight have been frequently debated, and variously interpreted.[57] Two months earlier, on opening night of the season, the Lakers played the Milwaukee Bucks. Bucks center Kent Benson elbowed Jabbar in the stomach, and Jabbar appeared to be in intense pain. Jabbar then punched Benson from behind, breaking Benson's jaw and his own hand.[55] Washington got into a brawl with several Buffalo Braves players a few games later.[58] In the December game, at the beginning of the game's second half, Lakers guard Norm Nixon missed a shot. Houston's Kevin Kunnert and Washington both contended for the rebound, which Kunnert eventually got and passed out to teammate John Lucas. Their battle for the rebound was more physical than usual however. Jabbar became involved and wrestled with Kunnert. As a result, Kermit Washington stayed behind in the backcourt in order to watch over and make sure nothing happened. After the two disengaged, Washington grabbed Kunnert's shorts in order to prevent him from getting back over on offense quickly. Kunnert threw an elbow that hit Washington on the upper arm and this move spun him around so that he was facing Washington. What happened next is disputed: Washington, several Lakers, and Rocket forward Robert Reid insisted that Kunnert punched him, Kunnert said Washington swung first after he attempted to free himself from Washington's grasp. The referee who saw the action saw merely a "skuffle" between Kunnert and Jabbar followed by the one between Kunnert and Washington then Washington's punch.[59][60] Both Washington and Jabbar reject this account.[57]

    Kareem then ran up behind Kunnert and grabbed his arms to try to pull him away from the scuffle.[61] But this only left him defenseless for Washington's first punch, which hit Kunnert in the head and brought him down on one knee.[55]

    Washington saw Tomjanovich running toward the altercation. Not knowing that he intended to break up the fight, Washington hit Tomjanovich with a roundhouse punch. The blow, which took Tomjanovich by surprise, fractured his face about one-third of an inch (8 mm) away from his skull and left Tomjanovich unconscious in a pool of blood in the middle of the arena. Jabbar likened the sound of the punch to a watermelon being dropped onto concrete.[60] Tomjanovich had a reputation around the league as a peacemaker.[62] Players involved say that right after Tomjanovich collapsed the absence of sound at the arena, which was filled with shocked fans, was "the loudest silence you have ever heard."[63] Reporters heard the sound of the punch all in the way in the second floor press box, and some rushed to the playing floor in disbelief.[64]

    Tomjanovich was able to get up and walk around however, and on the way into the locker room he saw Washington. Tomjanovich says that he became aggressive and asked Washington why he punched him. Washington yelled something inaudible about Kunnert, and they were broken up by two security personnel.[65] Tomjanovich was in no condition to fight despite his aggressiveness; besides having the bone structure of his face detached from his skull and suffering a cerebral concussion and broken jaw and nose, he was leaking blood and spinal fluid into his skull capsule. His skull was fractured in such a way that Tomjanovich could taste the spinal fluid leaking into his mouth.[66][67] He later recalled that at the time of the incident, he believed the scoreboard had fallen on him.[68] The doctor who worked on Tomjanovich said "I have seen many people with far less serious injuries not make it" and likened the surgery to Scotch taping together a badly shattered eggshell.[60]

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    We've had these discussions on other threads. Apparently everyone on here is not only a GM but a lawyer too...

    Unfortunately, none of us have a clue. We don't know what Ellis did, we don't know why the prosecution is pressing charges, etc.

    At least we'll know in a couple of weeks...

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    [QUOTE=thshadow;4468558]We've had these discussions on other threads. Apparently everyone on here is not only a GM but a lawyer too...

    Unfortunately, none of us have a clue. We don't know what Ellis did, we don't know why the prosecution is pressing charges, etc.

    At least we'll know in a couple of weeks...[/QUOTE]

    It will end in a cash settlement.. Do you think the guy pressing charges would be happy if Ellis does jail time or gets deported?? It's all about money period..:cool:

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    [QUOTE=thshadow;4468558]We've had these discussions on other threads. Apparently everyone on here is not only a GM but a lawyer too...

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    Anybody know if it will be a jury trial or will the judge just rule?

    Or is that what this pre-trial meeting is for?

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    What difference does it make? Ellis can not dress for all games in prison or on the sidelines.

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    Ray Lewis killed a man and got away with it. Ellis should have no problem beating this charge.

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    [QUOTE=DRNYJETS;4468588]Ray Lewis killed a man and got away with it. Ellis should have no problem beating this charge.[/QUOTE]

    It's all about who has the best lawyers...justice has NOTHING to do with it.

    The case sounds like self-defense but I hope Ellis, with guidance from our GM lawyer, has retained top a flight criminal defense attorney.

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    [QUOTE=thshadow;4468558]We've had these discussions on other threads. Apparently everyone on here is not only a GM but a lawyer too...

    Unfortunately, none of us have a clue. We don't know what Ellis did, we don't know why the prosecution is pressing charges, etc.

    At least we'll know in a couple of weeks...[/QUOTE]

    You're right, none of us know what actually happened.

    But there are a lot of lawyers on this board.

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    [QUOTE=jetlifer;4468613]It's all about who has the best lawyers...justice has NOTHING to do with it.

    The case sounds like self-defense but I hope Ellis, with guidance from our GM lawyer, has retained top a flight criminal defense attorney.[/QUOTE]

    I would think that Woody might help retain a big time lawyer.

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    Btw, ftr it's not difficult to knock someone unconscious. It all has to do with the direction the head was going and point of impact. If you're turning your head in a "no" fashion and a fist comes in from the direction you're turning, the deceleration of your brain in your meninges will leave you sleeping on the floor.





    we got GMs, lawyers, now doctors. we're set.
    Last edited by sogreedy23; 05-15-2012 at 12:54 PM.

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    [QUOTE=ucrenegade;4468551]yeah if the guy he punched was like 160 lbs and 5'09" I would assume unless he just got really lucky and landed a perfect shot like kermit washington.


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    Do you have any other 10,000 word detailed punching incidents you could post?

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    Hope Ellis gets through this and no more worries about this hanging over his head. On the other hand the money hungry pevert who got dinged up doesn't deserve to see 1 red cent

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4468484]If this is true then there is nothing to worry about right?[/QUOTE]

    of course...

    but the system can be complicated...although fact is, Ellis being a professional athlete will help his cause.

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