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    Why the Death Penalty Should Be Severely Restricted

    I don't think the death penalty should be abolished. Had bin Laden been captured alive, I'd have no qualms with applying the death penalty to him. But that is only because he acknowledged his own crimes and there was not even the slightest possibility he was innocent. Cases like this, though . . .

    [QUOTE]He was the spitting image of the killer, had the same first name and was near the scene of the crime at the fateful hour: Carlos DeLuna paid the ultimate price and was executed in place of someone else in Texas in 1989, a report out Tuesday found.


    Even "all the relatives of both Carloses mistook them," and DeLuna was sentenced to death and executed based only on eyewitness accounts despite a range of signs he was not a guilty man, said law professor James Liebman.


    Liebman and five of his students at Columbia School of Law spent almost five years poring over details of a case that he says is "emblematic" of legal system failure.


    DeLuna, 27, was put to death after "a very incomplete investigation. No question that the investigation is a failure," Liebman said.


    The report's authors found "numerous missteps, missed clues and missed opportunities that let authorities prosecute Carlos DeLuna for the crime of murder, despite evidence not only that he did not commit the crime but that another individual, Carlos Hernandez, did," the 780-page investigation found.


    The report, entitled "Los Tocayos Carlos: Anatomy of a Wrongful Execution," traces the facts surrounding the February 1983 murder of Wanda Lopez, a single mother who was stabbed in the gas station where she worked in a quiet corner of the Texas coastal city of Corpus Christi.
    "Everything went wrong in this case," Liebman said.


    That night Lopez called police for help twice to protect her from an individual with a switchblade.


    "They could have saved her, they said 'we made this arrest immediately' to overcome the embarrassment," Liebman said.


    Forty minutes after the crime Carlos DeLuna was arrested not far from the gas station.


    He was identified by only one eyewitness who saw a Hispanic male running from the gas station. But DeLuna had just shaved and was wearing a white dress shirt -- unlike the killer, who an eyewitness said had a mustache and was wearing a grey flannel shirt.


    Even though witnesses accounts were contradictory -- the killer was seen fleeing towards the north, while DeLuna was caught in the east -- DeLuna was arrested.


    "I didn't do it, but I know who did," DeLuna said at the time, saying that he saw Carlos Hernandez entering the service station.


    DeLuna said he ran from police because he was on parole and had been drinking.


    Hernandez, known for using a blade in his attacks, was later jailed for murdering a woman with the same knife. But in the trial, the lead prosecutor told the jury that Hernandez was nothing but a "phantom" of DeLuna's imagination.


    DeLuna's budget attorney even said that it was probable that Carlos Hernandez never existed.


    However in 1986 a local newspaper published a photograph of Hernandez in an article on the DeLuna case, Liebman said.


    Following hasty trial DeLuna was executed by lethal injection in 1989.


    Up to the day he died in prison of cirrhosis of the liver, Hernandez repeatedly admitted to murdering Wanda Lopez, Liebman said.


    "Unfortunately, the flaws in the system that wrongfully convicted and executed DeLuna -- faulty eyewitness testimony, shoddy legal representation and prosecutorial misconduct -- continue to send innocent men to their death today," read a statement that accompanies the report.


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    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/wrong-man-executed-texas-probe-says-051125159.html[/url]

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    The prosecutor in the case and the investigating officers should now be tried for murder.


    They did, after all, kill someone...did they not?

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    Why punish any criminal ever then? If there's always a risk of punishing the wrong person why apply this logic only to the death penalty? We should never throw anyone in jail b/c we risk causing the wrong person to lose several years of their life behind bars.

    100% pro-death penalty.

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    [QUOTE=detjetsfan;4469141]If there's always a risk of punishing the wrong person why apply this logic only to the death penalty?[/QUOTE]


    Because you can't undo the death penalty.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4469142]Because you can't undo the death penalty.

    :dunce:[/QUOTE]

    Throw the wrong person in jail for 10 years - how does that get undone?

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    [QUOTE=detjetsfan;4469144]Throw the wrong person in jail for 10 years - how does that get undone?[/QUOTE]

    They open the door and let the guy out.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4469137]The prosecutor in the case and the investigating officers should now be tried for murder.


    They did, after all, kill someone...did they not?[/QUOTE]

    Not sure whether you're serious (dont hang out in the politikals enough to know your point of view), but this is exactly what came to my mind while reading this.

    Anyone in favor of the death penalty should now be lobbying for these officers to face the death penalty, no?

    100% against the death penalty.

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    [QUOTE=greenwichjetfan;4469188]Anyone in favor of the death penalty should now be lobbying for these officers to face the death penalty, no?[/QUOTE]

    You'd think so.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4469146]They open the door and let the guy out.[/QUOTE]

    And fork over a few million...

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    Morally I am not opposed to the death penalty, I was at one time a big proponent of it.

    The fact is that it is just too expensive to execute them, and that is what changed my mind.

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    I've never supported the death penalty. I would favor completely abolishing it.

    This story is crazy. The relatives couldn't even tell them apart?

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    ive been against the death penalty for a long, long time. 5 reasons:

    1. we are just about the last non-3rd world country to employ it
    2. forget this guy, look up the facts. in the last century well over 100 people have been put to death wrongfully
    3. mentally retarded people get put to death regularly
    4. it cost more to litigate and go through will the killing than it does to hold someone for life
    5. life without parole is WAY worse a punishment.

    there are a lot of tough guys around here who would disagree and want blood, but most of them wouldnt have the spine to sit in that room while they do the deed. its just brutal. imagine if you as a father or mother had a kid that went wrong and was put to death......imagine sitting there or watching your baby get creamed. its just nasty business and we should be above it, imho

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    Morally, I'm in favor of the death penalty for murderers. Practically, it should be off the table except where there is a confession or the equivalent. And yes, that means it would essentially be abolished.

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    Ban Texas from using it and 75% of the problems go away.

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    Im am for Death Penalty. But not for murderers. For the people that rape children.

    And I am not talking about the 19 yo boy who has sex with his 17 or 16 yo girlfriend. I am talking about the Sanduskys of the world.

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    Every system has flaws.

    When you add "faulty eyewitness testimony, shoddy legal representation and prosecutorial misconduct", thats not the system, thats the individuals. Ending the death penaty won't undo a storm of fail that wastes a man's life in prison or in the chair.

    And lets be honest, it took how many years to execute this guy....and no one noticed the other "him" until after?

    I support the death penalty. Take a life, lose a life. If one semi-innocent dies to kill 100 murderes, so be it.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4469470]

    If one semi-innocent dies to kill 100 murderes, so be it.[/QUOTE]


    :mad: lets hope its your mom or brother then, if it has to be someone. come back after the funeral and let us all know how that worked out for ya

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4469470]If one semi-innocent dies to kill 100 murderes, so be it.[/QUOTE]

    lol...now I know you're kidding. Nice try, Warfish.

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    If killing someone makes one a killer, should the death penalty not apply to the enforcers? Who is anyone to judge the life of another human, regardless of crime?

    I just don't see the logic. In my opinion, killing a heinous criminal is actually just putting them out of their own misery...I'd rather they live out a ****ty life full of remorse or "what ifs".

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4469470]Every system has flaws.

    When you add "faulty eyewitness testimony, shoddy legal representation and prosecutorial misconduct", thats not the system, thats the individuals. Ending the death penaty won't undo a storm of fail that wastes a man's life in prison or in the chair.

    And lets be honest, it took how many years to execute this guy....and no one noticed the other "him" until after?

    I support the death penalty. Take a life, lose a life. If one semi-innocent dies to kill 100 murderes, so be it.[/QUOTE]

    Semi innocent? What the hell does that mean?

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