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    Wisconsin in Play - Bad news for Barry

    Interesting polling released today.

    In two separate polls Romney and Obama are now tied in Wisconsin. The PPP Daily Kos pol shows Obama 46 Romney 45, The Marquette U poll shows a tie of 46 to 46. Governor Walker is also leading by 6 in the recall vote polling according to both polls.

    In the Realclearpolitics electoral map Wisconsin now moves in to the tossup collumn from the leans D collumn.

    Obama carried Wisconsin by a whopping 13% in 2008. That would be quite a dramatic turnaround.

    Is this a sign that the Midwest, traditionally a blue area on the map is in play this year?

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4470157]Interesting polling released today.

    In two separate polls Romney and Obama are now tied in Wisconsin. The PPP Daily Kos pol shows Obama 46 Romney 45, The Marquette U poll shows a tie of 46 to 46. Governor Walker is also leading by 6 in the recall vote polling according to both polls.

    In the Realclearpolitics electoral map Wisconsin now moves in to the tossup collumn from the leans D collumn.

    Obama carried Wisconsin by a whopping 13% in 2008. That would be quite a dramatic turnaround.

    Is this a sign that the Midwest, traditionally a blue area on the map is in play this year?[/QUOTE]
    A Romney landslide is in play - it's been in play for 2 years now.

    Obama is failing to avert it - a robust economy doesn't appear possible, much less likely.

    13% point drop offs, is this an aberration or is there a slew of underlying causes that could explain it?

    Forget "swing" states, Romney will end up taking "blue" states.

    So, with real unemployment at near depression levels - do talk turkey about the economy or do we want to talk about who was allegedly a prick in high school?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4470371]A Romney landslide is in play - it's been in play for 2 years now.

    Obama is failing to avert it - a robust economy doesn't appear possible, much less likely.

    13% point drop offs, is this an aberration or is there a slew of underlying causes that could explain it?

    Forget "swing" states, Romney will end up taking "blue" states.

    So, with real unemployment at near depression levels - do talk turkey about the economy or do we want to talk about who was allegedly a prick in high school?[/QUOTE]

    Forget the awful economy. Did you hear that some Republicans think birth control pills should be treated like all other medications and carry a copay? Its a war on women i tells ya! Oh and they also said they want to take away poor folks free monthly cell phone businesses. How are poor folks supposed to survive when the government wont give them a free cell phone to sell each month. Its a war on women and the poor I tells ya.

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    I hope Walker winds by a landslide, stick it to the unions bigtime. Start the ball rolling Gov!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4470871]I hope Walker winds by a landslide, stick it to the unions bigtime. Start the ball rolling Gov![/QUOTE]

    yes, cede all political power and control to Corporate America! They will wield that power fairly :rolleyes:
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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470962]yes, cede all political power and control to Corporate America! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Actually Walker is ceding power to the people not the unions. Nice try though.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4470871]I hope Walker winds by a landslide, stick it to the unions bigtime. Start the ball rolling Gov![/QUOTE]

    I hope Walker wins in a landslide, because I do NOT believe in "Recall" elections based only on political differences.

    If Walker had committed a meaningful crime (i.e. not a speeding ticket), then yes, a Recall Election Drive and Recall Election is fine and appropriate.

    But to recall him on policy simply because you disagree with it? This is a very very bad road for American-Style Representative Democracy to go down.

    Sure, all the Libs LOVE the idea now. Defend the Unions! Take down the Evil Corrupt Coke Brothers Marrionette! Workers of the World Unite!

    How about next time, when it's a (D) in office, and the right recalls him because he passed some liberal social policy or some new social welfare program?

    Sorry, no. Recalls should be used only when there is real, unquestionable cause, i.e. crimes and the like. Not for policy. Not when a (D) is in office, not when an (R) is in office, never. It cheapens and erodes the very democracy within which we live, if a scant minority can force another election after a duly held, legally binding, election has already taken place and no crimes have been committed.

    Think of it this way D's. How would you feel if tomorrow, every (D) office holder in every red-leaning state that allows it was recalled? Every time. Every election cycle.

    Thats now where we need to go.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470962]yes, cede all political power and control to Corporate America! They will wield that power fairly :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Walker's actions are having a tremendous positive effect on Wisconsin's economy and fiscal soundness. Contrast to California -- one of the world's largest economies on its own -- which is a spiraling-out-of-control economic hellhole due to horribly bad progressive policies and union "power."

    All you have to do is open your eyes and look.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4470965]Actually Walker is ceding power to the [B]people[/B] not the unions. Nice try though.[/QUOTE]

    [B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:

    If we are going to be against powerful entites using money to circumvent democracy in an attempt to game the system for their own interests then we must be against all of them, across the board. It should not be just the ones that are favorite talk show hosts and "news" organizations tell us are bad. :rolleyes:

    Nice try though.....

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470987][B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:[/quote]

    And that makes him different than President Obama and Mayor Barrett how, exactly?

    Please don't tell me you think Barrett is not bankrolled by equally powerful and wealthy groups. For example, one need only look at the Unions currently supporting the Mayor.

    Do you think the Unions are not receiving something in return? Or do you think they just like the Mayors smile?;)

    You'd be one hell of a decent poster IJF, if only you got that horrible one-sided bias out of your system.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470987][B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:

    If we are going to be against powerful entites using money to circumvent democracy in an attempt to game the system for their own interests then we must be against all of them, across the board. It should not be just the ones that are favorite talk show hosts and "news" organizations tell us are bad. :rolleyes:

    Nice try though.....[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps to simply have free markets pervail and not have PUBLIC unions create skyrocketing increases to property and sales taxes?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470987][B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:

    If we are going to be against powerful entites using money to circumvent democracy in an attempt to game the system for their own interests then we must be against all of them, across the board. It should not be just the ones that are favorite talk show hosts and "news" organizations tell us are bad. :rolleyes:

    Nice try though.....[/QUOTE]

    LOL. Jobs are up, property taxes are down and billions of state dollars have been saved. The people are generally satisfied and are now being forced to spend millions on a recall election.

    Meanwhile you're complaining about Walker's corporate donations, which Barrett also gets, in addition to the majority of donations that come from outside the state of Wisconsin and a multitude of unions.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470987][B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:

    If we are going to be against powerful entites using money to circumvent democracy in an attempt to game the system for their own interests then we must be against all of them, across the board. It should not be just the ones that are favorite talk show hosts and "news" organizations tell us are bad. :rolleyes:

    Nice try though.....[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, that would be as transparent as doing something like coming out for gay marriage a day before your $50,000 a plate Hollywood fundraiser.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470987][B]Actually[/B].....Walker is being bank rolled by some of the wealthiest corporate entities in the country (Of this there is no debate). Why would these corporate men and women donate millions of dollars to Mr. Walker if they were not receiving something in return? Maybe they just like his smile :rolleyes:

    If we are going to be against powerful entites using money to circumvent democracy in an attempt to game the system for their own interests then we must be against all of them, across the board. It should not be just the ones that are favorite talk show hosts and "news" organizations tell us are bad. :rolleyes:

    Nice try though.....[/QUOTE]

    I didn't realize that the Governor of Wisconsin had the power to help the Koch brothers with their (not in Wisconsin) oil and gas businesses. Must have been my public school teachers missing the ball with educating me on that topic. You are not sounding very "intelligent" with this absurd line of reasoning.

    Corporate America wants lower taxes because they need consumers for their products. Unions have poured millions in to the recall efforts in Wisconsin because they understand that their scam is finally getting exposed and they want to stop it. They want Governors and Municipalities to fear for their careers if they "mess" with the unions. It is even more of a quagmire for your leaders because Walkers programs in Wisconsin are the proof that all the lies the union bosses have fed the American public are untrue.

    Lets look at the facts. The union in Wisconsin had written in to their contract that health insurance must be purchased from a particular union affiliated insurance company. When Walker passed the law and opened up competition for the contract that same insurer dropped their price by 25%. To clarify for the small minded, opening up the insurance plan to competition caused an immediate savings of 25% without any affecting the actual service.

    Here is another good one. The union in Wisconsin had a rule that teachers could only teach 5 periods a day. When the law was passed the schools changed the rule to allow teachers to teach 6 periods a day instead. That move along side the slight increase in employee contribution to health and pension plans reduced average class sizes from 32 kids to 23. There was also enough savings to allow for more teachers to be hired.

    To Summarize, Walkers plan reduced expenses with no effect on the final product just by opening healthcare to competition, it increased the number of teachers on the payroll without increasing budgets, and improves Wisconsin schools by dramatically reducing class sizes.

    What was your point again Mr. Intelligent? Do you hate students and prefer them to suffer with the larger class sizes or are you simply against competition that saves 25% on health insurance costs with an identical plan by simply allowing companies to competitively bid? Maybe your issue is with forcing poor teachers to work an extra period each day. It is pretty oppressive for a teacher that works all year, er I mean all year except summers, er i mean all year except summers and all of the extra school holidays like winter break and spring break and presidents week and election day and the others, to try and force these already overworked part timers to work six hours a day is fascist. I mean 150days a year of 5 hours of work a day is enough. It's not like they get a full pension and benefits at retirement er um I mean its not like they earn more in salary then their private sector counterparts, er scratch that last line.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4470993]LOL. Jobs are up, property taxes are down and billions of state dollars have been saved. The people are generally satisfied and are now being forced to spend millions on a recall election.

    Meanwhile you're complaining about Walker's corporate donations, which Barrett also gets, in addition to the majority of donations that come from outside the state of Wisconsin and a multitude of unions.[/QUOTE]

    Yea, Wisconsin is great shape. ;)

    [QUOTE]The data compiled by the state Department of Workforce Development show a net gain of 23,300 public and private jobs during 2011, up from the previously reported 33,900 drop. The difference lies in how the numbers were generated.
    The new numbers come from the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, produced for inclusion in the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ national report to be issued on June 28 — more than three weeks after the recall. Those figures are based on actual job counts reported by 160,000 Wisconsin employers as required by law as part of their tax and unemployment insurance reports.

    Last month, BLS found that Wisconsin had the “largest over-the-year percentage decrease in employment,” losing nearly 1 percent of its jobs from April 2011 to April 2012. Wisconsin was one of only four states to lose jobs over that period.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4471027]Yea, Wisconsin is great shape. ;)[/QUOTE]

    You should go back and re-read the paragraph you just posted. It is in great shape. The State added 23K jobs last year as opposed to the original flawed number that stated they'd lost 33K jobs. Walker's reforms had just begun to kick in. No one with a brain believes that reducing property taxes, balancing municipal budgets and hiring more teachers without increasing expenditures is bad for a State. Nice try but next time read the articles you post before posting them. The last line of your post was a recap of the previous loss of 33K jobs number which later per your post was adjusted up to a gain of 23K jobs.
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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4470962]yes, cede all political power and control to Corporate America! They will wield that power fairly :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Says the Union Man.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4471082]You should go back and re-read the paragraph you just posted. It is in great shape. The State added 23K jobs last year as opposed to the original flawed number that stated they'd lost 33K jobs. Walker's reforms had just begun to kick in. No one with a brain believes that reducing property taxes, balancing municipal budgets and hiring more teachers without increasing expenditures is bad for a State. Nice try but next time read the articles you post before posting them. The last line of your post was a recap of the previous loss of 33K jobs number which later per your post was adjusted up to a gain of 23K jobs.[/QUOTE]

    Standard issue.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4471082]You should go back and re-read the paragraph you just posted. It is in great shape. The State added 23K jobs last year as opposed to the original flawed number that stated they'd lost 33K jobs. Walker's reforms had just begun to kick in. No one with a brain believes that reducing property taxes, balancing municipal budgets and hiring more teachers without increasing expenditures is bad for a State. Nice try but next time read the articles you post before posting them. The last line of your post was a recap of the previous loss of 33K jobs number which later per your post was adjusted up to a gain of 23K jobs.[/QUOTE]

    But you get to ignore this?

    [QUOTE]Last month, BLS found that Wisconsin had the “largest over-the-year percentage decrease in employment,” losing nearly 1 percent of its jobs from April 2011 to April 2012. Wisconsin was one of only four states to lose jobs over that period.[/QUOTE]

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    Lets say it will take time to fix the mess the Democrats inflicted on Wisconsin. Stick a fork in the Democrats and the Unions.

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