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    The case for a Romney-Paul ticket

    I still think this would be a great thing for the country. Get someone that has new ideas into the government where he can keep Romney fiscally conservative. I also think he would attract a lot of independents to the ticket. Finally it would hedge against the possibility of losing votes to a third part candidate as even a few percentage points lost to a liberterian party candidate could prove disastrous to Romney.

    [QUOTE] [URL]http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/18/the-case-for-a-romney-paul-ticket[/URL]
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    [B][URL="http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/18/the-case-for-a-romney-paul-ticket"]The Case for a Romney-Paul Ticket[/URL][/B]

    [B]Paul's presence would give the ticket something it has lacked up to this point: spine.[/B]

    [URL="http://reason.com/people/a-barton-hinkle/all"]A. Barton Hinkle[/URL] | May 18, 2012
    If he has proved nothing else, Ron Paul—the last of the GOP’s not-Romneys to drop out of the campaign—has proved Calvin Coolidge right when Coolidge said “nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.”

    Every other challenger to Mitt Romney pulled an Icarus—soaring into the stratosphere only to crash and burn. Paul, meanwhile, just kept plugging along below the radar.


    Two weeks ago he won 21 of Maine’s 24 delegates to the Republican Convention. He did the same in Nevada, taking 22 of the state’s 25 delegates. He may have a majority of Iowa’s delegates as well.


    Paul still has fewer delegates than either Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich did when they dropped out of the nomination contest. The Republican Party’s baroque rules also require many delegates to vote for Romney on the first ballot, which makes it unlikely there will be a second round in which Paul’s devotees can switch their votes.


    [B]Nevertheless, former McCain aide Mike Dennehy recently said Romney is “being very careful because he knows how important the Ron Paul voters are....They are the most passionate and the most frustrated of any voters.” And that’s one thing Paul would bring to the Romney ticket which it lacks now: intensity.[/B]


    How much intensity? Well, the [I]Las Vegas Sun[/I] says Paul supporters spent the past four years infiltrating the GOP apparatus in Nevada; media reports routinely refer to Paul’s “army of enthusiastic and determined backers”—many of whom proudly sport “Ron Paul Revolution” bumper stickers and T-shirts.


    Contrast that with the general GOPattitude toward the front-runner, which humorist Andy Borowitz correctly sums up thusly: “POLL: Majority of Republicans Guess They Have to Support [Expletive] Romney.” Picking Paul as his running mate would enable Romney to draft the Texas congressman’s revolutionary army—or at least a good portion of it.



    It also would give the ticket something else it has lacked up to this point: spine. Romney is notorious for changing his positions on the issues. Paul is widely admired for sticking to his (mostly) libertarian principles.


    Those principles will offend some members of the conservative base—especially when it comes to foreign policy, where Paul sounds more like liberal Democrat Dennis Kucinich than Dick Cheney. Going up against Obama/Biden, Paul would be the only candidate of the four to have opposed the Patriot Act. Nor will many right-wingers approve of Paul’s position on the war on drugs (“a detriment to personal liberty”; “why is it we can't put into our body whatever we want?”) prostitution (legalize it) or gay marriage (ditto). But they will like his tough stance on immigration, his longstanding opposition to abortion, and his reputation as “Dr. No” for voting against legislation not expressly authorized in the Constitution.


    And if Paul is Kucinich on foreign policy, then he is Paul Ryan on federal spending. Make that Ryan on ’roids: In February, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget released a report showing that only one GOP presidential contender’s policy proposals—Paul’s—would actually reduce the deficit. Paul would cut taxes by $5.2 trillion over a 10-year span, but he would slash spending by $7.2 trillion—and eliminate five Cabinet-level departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education)—in the process.


    From Romney’s perspective, there are naturally some downsides. Paul comes from a reliably Republican state, so unlike Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida or Rob Portman of Ohio—or Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell—he adds nothing to the Electoral College count. Unlike Rubio, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley or New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, he doesn’t diversify the ticket. And unlike New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie or Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, he lacks star power.


    But that last characteristic is a feature rather than a bug—at least if you believe Mike Murphy, a GOP operative who used to advise Romney and who cites what he calls the “Hollywood agent” rule. He puts it this way: “If I’m Robert Redford's agent and the studio calls up and says, ‘hey, we're going to do a Redford movie and we know he's old, but...there's a sidekick. And guess what? Good news. We're thinking of Brad Pitt.’ If I'm Robert Redford's agent, I'm going to say, ‘we're thinking of Ernest Borgnine’—because it's all about Redford, not the up-and-coming star next to him.”


    Of course, all of this could be looking at the question through the wrong end of the telescope. It’s not hard to come up with a few reasons Romney might want to ask Paul to the prom. But what reasons would Paul have to say yes?


    [I]A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch, where this article [URL="http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/oped/2012/may/18/tdopin02-hinkle-the-case-for-a-romney-paul-ticket-ar-1922854/"]originally appeared[/URL].[/I]










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    That would be a disaster.

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    Yup, a truly bigoted blame America 1ster who would sell us out to George Soros ... that's the ticket :coocoo:

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    The thing is...how much input does a VP really have on policy?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4472672]The thing is...how much input does a VP really have on policy?[/QUOTE]

    Depends on who the VP is. In the 20th century Cheney probably had the most input; LBJ the least.

    Ron Paul might have some interesting ideas but he comes off as a crazy old Grandpa.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4472688]Depends on who the VP is. [B]In the 20th century Cheney probably had the most input; LBJ the least.
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    Ron Paul might have some interesting ideas but he comes off as a crazy old Grandpa.[/QUOTE]

    Interesting that you say that Paulie. Cheney is obvious (ultimate puppet string puller), but LBj had his strategy for sure.

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    If a Paul is asked to be VP, it will be Rand. Not Ron.

    I don't think Rand will be asked. It will be another widest-possible-popularity moderate RINO like Christie.

    Election 2012 is between Euro Socialist Liberals and American Big Govt. Moderates.

    There will not be a real Conservative or Libertarian option.
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    Romney Paul? That would be a disaster and a losing ticket for sure. As far as VP goes Susana Martinez is my first choice. Her story is inspirational and a female Latina on the ticket covers both of the demographics that Romney is behind in. My second choice is Nikki Haley.

    As for the Paul supporters, Romney is basing his campaign around sound fiscal policy, small government and balancing the budget while fixing the corruption and waste in government. That platform is exactly what the Tea Partiers and Ron Paul revolutionaries are looking for. Those folks will jump on board once they see past the false perception that Romney is not conservative. He is moderate on social issues and very conservative when it comes to fiscal policy. Sadly in America there is a perception among the religious right that anyone that isn't in your face social values conservative isn't a "true conservative". Bush was a social conservative that was fiscally liberal. I'm happy we have someone different running. In short Romney is the ideal candidate because his views mirror the majority of the center right electorate. Tack on Susana Martinez and Romney gets a 10-15 point bounce with Latinos and 5-9 point bounce with women. The landslide would be in the bag.
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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472737]Romney Paul? That would be a disaster and a losing ticket for sure. As far as VP goes Susana Martinez is my first choice. Her story is inspirational and a female Latina on the ticket covers both of the demographics that Romney is behind in. My second choice is Nikki Haley.

    As for the Paul supporters, Romney is basing his campaign around sound fiscal policy and balancing the budget while fixing the corruption and waste in government. That platform is exactly what the Tea Partiers and Ron Paul revolutionaries are looking for. Those folks will jump on board once they see past the false perception that Romney is not conservative. At heart he is moderate on social issues and very conservative when it comes to fiscal polity. In short he is the ideal candidate because his views mirror the majority of the electorate.[/QUOTE]

    While I understand putting him on the ticket will attract his supporters I have a hard time picturing him standing at a podium and tell us that Mitt Romney is the man.

    I don't see that as a negative either as he seems to be his own man. But it takes a certain amount of **** swallowing to be a VP, and I don't see him being able to stomach that.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472737]Romney Paul? That would be a disaster and a losing ticket for sure. As far as VP goes Susana Martinez is my first choice. Her story is inspirational and a female Latina on the ticket covers both of the demographics that Romney is behind in.[/QUOTE]

    She doesn't have much of a chance if she continues to blast Romney on his illegal immigration stance.

    I don't think she wants it anyway.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4472746]She doesn't have much of a chance if she continues to blast Romney on his illegal immigration stance.

    I don't think she wants it anyway.[/QUOTE]

    I know about her immigration stance and it doesn't bother me one bit. If anything she tempers the hard line (but not very realistic) position Romney took in the primaries. I see her as a good counterbalance on that issue uniquely qualified to help craft a solution. Most Americans believe that we need to prioritize border security. Martinez talks about guest worker programs that allow those workers to come and go seasonally. Most workers would prefer to go home to their families once in a while. Romney talks about incouraging legal immigration particularly for well educated people. We need that to grow the population and workforce enough to support the retiring baby boomers and their massive entitlement obligations. Furthermore, no one turns down an offer for the VP position. Unless they have skeletons in the closet.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472751] Furthermore, no one turns down an offer for the VP position. Unless they have skeletons in the closet.[/QUOTE]

    I think Christie and Rubio both would. Eyes on 2016...

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4472752]I think Christie and Rubio both would. Eyes on 2016...[/QUOTE]

    No one turns the offer down. It just doesn't happen. I like both Christie and Rubio as politicians and I like both for VP. My preference there is Christie. My sense however is that it must be a woman or minority. Martinez brings the most to the table because she has a fantastic backstory. She is extremely competent and is not a lifetime politician. She cares for her handicapped sister as well which is inspirational on its own.

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    I hope Governor Christie is the choice because he will then be picked apart by the national media.

    IMHO the reasons Christie won't be chosen by the GOP are that NJ has 9.1% unemployment and the 10% tax cut the Governor is proposing for NJ is based on an assumed 7+% growth in the Garden state this year.

    7+% growth aint gunna happen.

    Those two facts will have to be explained away over and over again when Governor Romney tries to tell everyone how his ‘team’ knows how to fix the economy. Selecting Governor Christie for the VP spot will be counterproductive. Unless of course Governor Romney is as politically deaf as Senator McCain but I don't think he is.

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4472694]Interesting that you say that Paulie. Cheney is obvious (ultimate puppet string puller), but LBj had his strategy for sure.[/QUOTE]

    He did, but Kennedy hated him. Kept him out of high profile meetings and all but ignored him during his Administration.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472737]Romney Paul? That would be a disaster and a losing ticket for sure. As far as VP goes [B]Susana Martinez[/B] is my first choice. Her story is inspirational and a female Latina on the ticket covers both of the demographics that Romney is behind in. My second choice is Nikki Haley.

    As for the Paul supporters, Romney is basing his campaign around sound fiscal policy, small government and balancing the budget while fixing the corruption and waste in government. That platform is exactly what the Tea Partiers and Ron Paul revolutionaries are looking for. Those folks will jump on board once they see past the false perception that Romney is not conservative. He is moderate on social issues and very conservative when it comes to fiscal policy. Sadly in America there is a perception among the religious right that anyone that isn't in your face social values conservative isn't a "true conservative". Bush was a social conservative that was fiscally liberal. I'm happy we have someone different running. In short Romney is the ideal candidate because his views mirror the majority of the center right electorate. Tack on Susana Martinez and Romney gets a 10-15 point bounce with Latinos and 5-9 point bounce with women. The landslide would be in the bag.[/QUOTE]

    Weak ticket on Foreign Policy

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    I was in high school during the Bush years and it amazes me how many people were notorious for how much they hated Bush back then and went crazy when Obama was elected are now all of a sudden campaigning for Ron Paul- this shows me that they're an extremist above all else.

    Myself, I'm clearly not a conservative but not an extreme liberal either. I agree with Obama around half the time- I would eagerly vote for Clinton or Gore over him but I fear Dennis Kucinich almost as much as the Paul section of the Republican party. I think that both parties need more moderates.

    The Paul family is responsible for the only enthusiasm I have to vote for Obama.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4472813]Weak ticket on Foreign Policy[/QUOTE]

    Condi Rice then? I actually dont think Foreign policy experience is a prerequisite. Governors don't deal in foreign affairs. Executive experience is key. Also the more i think of it, real world business experience is a must. We haven't had any great politicians that didn't have fall back careers. The career pols are always worried about keeping their jobs. The best legislators are the ones that are more concerned with doing the right thing rather then keeping their jobs.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4472890]Condi Rice then? I actually dont think Foreign policy experience is a prerequisite. Governors don't deal in foreign affairs. Executive experience is key. Also the more i think of it, real world business experience is a must. We haven't had any great politicians that didn't have fall back careers. The career pols are always worried about keeping their jobs. The best legislators are the ones that are more concerned with doing the right thing rather then keeping their jobs.[/QUOTE]

    Condi is a GW person, no one wants to be associated with him.

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    [QUOTE=SizzleBear287;4472815]I agree with Obama around half the time...[/QUOTE]

    The funny thing is that if you actually looked closely....you agreed with Bush 1/2 the time and would agree with Romney 1/2 the time.

    That's the problem with the country.

    Blame extremists on both sides.



    FTR, Romney agrees with anyone who he talks to.

    He has no backbone and simply agrees with the last person in his office.

    Just like 99% of his "supporters". Little spineless vermin. The kind of people we wish to get into car accidents and plane crashes.

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