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Thread: Will Quinton Coples be better than Shaun Ellis?

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    [QUOTE=EM31;4475163][B]This thread is premature given the fact that Coples [/B][B]has played ZERO downs in the NFL[/B]. It is equivalent to saying that you hope you are going to have a big d1ck when you grow up to be a man. Who doesn't want that?

    Personally I hope that every single one of our draft picks AND our UDFAs turn into world beaters. I have that same aspiration every year.[/QUOTE]

    weirdo. just answer the Q. Its a Y or N ......

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    [QUOTE=jeT.MAC;4475473]weirdo. just answer the Q. Its a Y or N ......[/QUOTE]
    Will a coin come up heads or tails when it is flipped? Just answer the damned question already. Wierdo.

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    A year or two from now when there is some body of work and some history being durable or not then we might have a basis to guess at whether or not Coples will (a) Have a long career and (b) be in the effective to dominant end of the spectrum where I felt Ellis played for most of his career. we will also have some kind of a read about his work ethic and his ability to play well with the people around him (unlike Santana Holmes for example).

    Once you see all of these things then you can try to compare the two players.

    Or you could just call heads or tails in which case I am with Palmetto Defender. Anyone who is no longer here is sh1t and anyone we just drafted is a HOF shoe in.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4475303]Ellis is no longer with the Jets, therefore, by definition he is a piece of garbage and always was.
    By contrast, Coples looks like the best defensive lineman to ever play the game. Pick a name,any name, even HOFers - he's better. Faster, stronger, quicker, smarter.
    I understand the folks at Canton have already sent out feelers to discuss early induction. He's just that good.
    I remember hearing the same nonsense about Gholston AND Sanchez. Can anyone actually perform other than Revis, Mangold and Brick? Really? Who?

    Here's HOPING. That's alll it is. And to quote a great coach: "Potential. That means you haven't done sh*t yet".[/QUOTE]

    Drama queen much?

    It's a Jets message board, where Jets fans like to talk about their team and its players. The fact that some people think (hope) Coples will be better than Ellis isn't exactly a demand he enter Canton. It also doesn't mean we now look back and think Ellis "stunk". We're hoping for a stud, and if we get our wish then yes, I think Coples could be better than a solid vet in a few years.

    You just keep reminding yourself how bad he could potentially be while some of us dream a little higher. Don't worry about us -- we realize the devastation we're setting ourselves up for . . .:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=EM31;4475516]Will a coin come up heads or tails when it is flipped? Just answer the damned question already. Wierdo.[/QUOTE]

    That's why they call it a prediction. Obviously we don't know the answer, which is why people are speculating based on the talents of both entering the league and their hopes for Coples.

    Relax, man. It's May. We have nothing else to talk about.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4475529]Drama queen much?

    It's a Jets message board, where Jets fans like to talk about their team and its players. The fact that some people think (hope) Coples will be better than Ellis isn't exactly a demand he enter Canton. It also doesn't mean we now look back and think Ellis "stunk". We're hoping for a stud, and if we get our wish then yes, I think Coples could be better than a solid vet in a few years.

    You just keep reminding yourself how bad he could potentially be while some of us dream a little higher. Don't worry about us -- we realize the devastation we're setting ourselves up for . . .:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    It is either a stupid question because it is too soon (my own opinion) or it is a stupid question because he just got drafted all of two minutes ago and ALL jets draft picks are HOF bound until we see evidence to contrary. In either case it is a stupid question.

    That is all PD was saying.

    Are you saying he will not make the HOF?

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    [QUOTE=Austin;4475535]That's why they call it a prediction. Obviously we don't know the answer, which is why people are speculating based on the talents of both entering the league and their hopes for Coples.

    Relax, man. It's May. We have nothing else to talk about.[/QUOTE]
    Look at the post I was quoting in that response.

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    [QUOTE=copernicus;4475161]Initial reaction is "no." S Ellis was a warrior and a survivor. Lasted through numerous HCs and positions. Never complained and appeared to be a gentleman and a pro.

    While Coples appears to have more athleticism, his work ethic and attitude have been questioned.

    If Coples can be as hard working and team oriented as Ellis was over a 10 year career then we are looking at a player who will most likely be beter than Ellis.

    Stay tuned.....[/QUOTE]
    +1000

    If this kid applies himself diligently, he could be one of the great ones. Perennial All-Pro etc

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    [QUOTE=jeT.MAC;4475473]weirdo. just answer the Q. Its a Y or N ......[/QUOTE]

    Actually these are the most retarded threads ever. Does anyone know if he will or won't be as good as Ellis? No. How could they?

    And why would you give a sh1t what anyone thinks given they know nothing and are totally guessing.
    Last edited by Jet Nut; 05-23-2012 at 08:01 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4474959]We need coples to be dominant if we are going to turn things around. Ellis was here for a lomg time. But he was never an elite player. We need coples to be elite. When experts mention difference makers on the defensive side of the ball, they need to be mentioning coples.[/QUOTE]

    Ellis was barely above average for most of his career. He was never as good as advertised when he came out of Tennesee in 2000. He did have a couple good seasons rushing the passer in 2003 and 2004 but that was mostly b/c Abe was being double-teamed on the other side.

    Coples has a way higher ceiling than Ellis. If he's not significantly better than Shaun Ellis I will be disappointed.

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    [QUOTE=EM31;4475537]It is either a stupid question because it is too soon (my own opinion) or it is a stupid question because he just got drafted all of two minutes ago and ALL jets draft picks are HOF bound until we see evidence to contrary. In either case it is a stupid question.

    That is all PD was saying.

    Are you saying he will not make the HOF?[/QUOTE]

    So it's a question you have an opinion about? But no one else is entitled to one?

    I guess you hate the "predict their record" threads, too, right? I mean, who knows what circumstances will come into play throughout a season -- it would just be "stupid" to make predictions, right?

    For that matter, why even have the message board to begin with? We don't have the inside info the team has -- it's just "stupid" to form an opinion on Schotty, Rex, Sanchez, Tebow, etc., etc. when we most likely don't know all the details involved, right?

    I remember how Wilson was talked up as the next Revis . . . how Gholston was gonna turn the corner . . . how Connor was an animal . . .

    But I also remember being told Maybin was garbage, Wilson was useless, and Sanchez is gonna set this team back a decade.

    Everyone is free to see things as they like -- I just don't see the point in being negative before the season even begins . . .

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4475811]Actually these are the most retarded threads ever. Does anyone know if he will or won't be as good as Ellis? No. How could they?

    And why would you give a sh1t what anyone thinks given they know nothing and are totally guessing.[/QUOTE]

    Instead, good threads discussing the Cheating Pats get derailed by insecure Chowd trolls and overly sensitive and arrogant SOJF's who would rather spend time on the board being overly confrontational. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4475941]Instead, good threads discussing the Cheating Pats get derailed by insecure Chowd trolls and overly sensitive and arrogant SOJF's who would rather spend time on the board being overly confrontational. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    Coples has a significantly higher ceiling than Ellis, granted. But that's no slight on the Big Katt he was an animal for us at DE. He was well worth the round 1 pick for the Jets over the course of his career in Green and White. Coples still has to produce on the field.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4475143]Ellis was an [B]11 year player for us.[/B] One of the best 1st round picks the organization has ever made. Was able to play well in both the 4-3 and 3-4 schemes. He did whatever the coaches asked of him.

    Can Coples be better? Yes. He has the potential.

    Will he be? That is entirely up to him. But setting the bar for him to be an 11 year player is pretty high expectations.

    BTW, I agree with those of you who think Wilk is more like Ellis than Coples.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly. I just hope he puts up decent numbers. It's funny how fast fans assume our first round pick is going to be an all-pro. I'll be happy if he's not another Vernon Gholston.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4475918]So it's a question you have an opinion about? But no one else is entitled to one?

    I guess you hate the "predict their record" threads, too, right? I mean, who knows what circumstances will come into play throughout a season -- it would just be "stupid" to make predictions, right?

    For that matter, why even have the message board to begin with? We don't have the inside info the team has -- it's just "stupid" to form an opinion on Schotty, Rex, Sanchez, Tebow, etc., etc. when we most likely don't know all the details involved, right?

    I remember how Wilson was talked up as the next Revis . . . how Gholston was gonna turn the corner . . . how Connor was an animal . . .

    But I also remember being told Maybin was garbage, Wilson was useless, and Sanchez is gonna set this team back a decade.

    Everyone is free to see things as they like -- I just don't see the point in being negative before the season even begins . . .[/QUOTE]
    Predict you record threads are kinda dopey but at least there is evidence at hand upon which to base an opinion. Coaching staffs, roster depths, strength of schedule and so on.

    On this question however there really is no basis for discussing it until we have some basis for discussing it. Before that threads like this one nothing but an opportunity for a circle jerk. And yes I reserve the right to give that opinion.

    I am as hopeful as anyone else for all of our draft picks but nobody can either prove or disprove anything that anyone else has to say on this subject. So the question itself at this point is a stupid one.

    But really, go ahead have a ball. Coples is gonna be a monster <fap> <fap> <fap>. A monster I tell ya <fap> <fap> <goooo>

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    [QUOTE=EM31;4476041]Predict you record threads are kinda dopey but at least there is evidence at hand upon which to base an opinion. Coaching staffs, roster depths, strength of schedule and so on.

    On this question however there really is no basis for discussing it until we have some basis for discussing it. Before that threads like this one nothing but an opportunity for a circle jerk. And yes I reserve the right to give that opinion.

    I am as hopeful as anyone else for all of our draft picks but nobody can either prove or disprove anything that anyone else has to say on this subject. So the question itself at this point is a stupid one.

    But really, go ahead have a ball. Coples is gonna be a monster <fap> <fap> <fap>. A monster I tell ya <fap> <fap> <goooo>[/QUOTE]

    While the title of the thread is "Will Coples be better than Shaun Ellis", it pretty much morphed into "Would you be content if Coples was as good as Ellis". For some people, yes -- they appreciate Ellis' hard work ethic and long tenure. For others, no -- they want someone closer to a Peppers or JPP -- a real "difference maker".

    I don't see people making HOF predictions. Just people voicing what ceiling they believe Coples does/doesn't have.

    If that's "fapping", so be it -- after 30+ years of fandom, I'm always going to hope we hit the jackpot.

    But you just keep enjoying being the anti-Viagra. That seems to be a common skill among many Jets fans . . .
    Last edited by OCCH; 05-24-2012 at 07:32 AM.

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    Coples obviously has the potential -- no brainer statement. But who knows if he will ever live up to it. What Jets fans need to be fired up for is new DL coach Karl Dunbar. Great hire by Rex. Great hire. If anyone can get Coples NFL ready and to play to his potential it's Dunbar. Same goes for Ellis and even Mo Wilk.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4476093]While the title of the thread is "Will Coples be better than Shaun Ellis", it pretty much morphed into "Would you be content if Coples was as good as Ellis". For some people, yes -- they appreciate Ellis' hard work ethic and long tenure. For others, no -- they want someone closer to a Peppers or JPP -- a real "difference maker".

    I don't see people making HOF predictions. Just people voicing what ceiling they believe Coples does/doesn't have.

    If that's "fapping", so be it -- after 30+ years of fandom, I'm always going to hope we hit the jackpot.

    But you just keep enjoying being the anti-Viagra. That seems to be a common skill among many Jets fans . . .[/QUOTE]
    The thread question is what it is.... "[URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4476093#post4476093"]Will Quinton Coples be better than Shaun Ellis?[/URL]"

    I think every single Jets fan including myself has the highest possible hopes for all of our draft picks. All of them. Every year around this time I have the same high hopes for all of our acquisitions.

    What I am not going to do is try to "predict" and compare the professional career of an 11 year veteran with a player who has not even played a single down of football at this point.

    I hope Coples does well. I hope they all do well. I also hoped that Vernon Gholston would do well. There were dozens of Gholston "fappers" on here at that time who were busy "locking up" his future as a perennial all pro. But look, have a ball really. My position has been clearly stated and I do not think I can break it down into smaller words just for you, yet you still insist on mischaracterizing that position.
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    I do not[/U] hope Coples does poorly.

    [U]I do not[/U] even think he will do poorly.

    I simply do not know (and nor in my opinion does anyone else).

    If you want to have a "predict the career" of Quinton Coples thread then it has about as much value as a "predict if my scratch off lottery ticket will be a winner" thread. Whatever floats your boat.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4475529]Drama queen much?

    It's a Jets message board, where Jets fans like to talk about their team and its players. The fact that some people think (hope) Coples will be better than Ellis isn't exactly a demand he enter Canton. It also doesn't mean we now look back and think Ellis "stunk". We're hoping for a stud, and if we get our wish then yes, I think Coples could be better than a solid vet in a few years.

    You just keep reminding yourself how bad he could potentially be while some of us dream a little higher. Don't worry about us -- we realize the devastation we're setting ourselves up for . . .:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


    Accurate appraisal of the situation. Always be objective.
    Perhaps this may be painful to some but the facts are the facts.
    Like telling a company president, "Sorry, sir, this new product really is not that good and will need sell".
    Or, "Sorry Colonel. For me to assault a position with 400 dug in men with my 175 men is crazy."
    I defined potential, stealing another's quote. I stick by my definition of Coples and every "not yet to play" rookie. Let's see what you have. Gholston? To an extent Sanchez.

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    [QUOTE=EM31;4476120]The thread question is what it is.... "[URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4476093#post4476093"]Will Quinton Coples be better than Shaun Ellis?[/URL]"

    I think every single Jets fan including myself has the highest possible hopes for all of our draft picks. All of them. Every year around this time I have the same high hopes for all of our acquisitions.

    What I am not going to do is try to "predict" and compare the professional career of an 11 year veteran with a player who has not even played a single down of football at this point.

    I hope Coples does well. I hope they all do well. I also hoped that Vernon Gholston would do well. There were dozens of Gholston "fappers" on here at that time who were busy "locking up" his future as a perennial all pro. But look, have a ball really. My position has been clearly stated and I do not think I can break it down into smaller words just for you, yet you still insist on mischaracterizing that position.
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    I do not[/U] hope Coples does poorly.

    [U]I do not[/U] even think he will do poorly.

    I simply do not know (and nor in my opinion does anyone else).

    If you want to have a "predict the career" of Quinton Coples thread then it has about as much value as a "predict if my scratch off lottery ticket will be a winner" thread. Whatever floats your boat.[/QUOTE]

    At what point did I ever say you "hoped" Coples would do poorly? The fact is we have a prospect who was once considered the #1 defensive player in the nation. Was that ever said about Shaun Ellis?

    You're right -- "you don't know", which is why your opinion holds no more or less weight than anyone else's. I never said you weren't entitled to have a reserved (aka pessimistic) outlook on our draft pick. But you also shouldn't feel the need to knock anyone else who does . . .

    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4476231]Accurate appraisal of the situation. Always be objective.
    Perhaps this may be painful to some but the facts are the facts.
    Like telling a company president, "Sorry, sir, this new product really is not that good and will need sell".
    Or, "Sorry Colonel. For me to assault a position with 400 dug in men with my 175 men is crazy."
    I defined potential, stealing another's quote. I stick by my definition of Coples and every "not yet to play" rookie. Let's see what you have. Gholston? To an extent Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

    LOL -- do you even read your posts?

    Apparently this is your definition of an "accurate appraisal of the situation" and being "objective":

    [B][I]Ellis is no longer with the Jets, therefore,[/B] [B]by definition he is a piece of garbage and always was.[/B]

    [B]Coples looks like the best defensive lineman to ever play the game[/B].

    [B]Pick a name,any name, even HOFers - he's better. Faster, stronger, quicker, smarter.[/B]

    [B]I understand the folks at Canton have already sent out feelers to discuss early induction. He's just that good.[/B][/I]

    Yeah, that sounds like someone who's trying to have an "objective" conversation . . .:rolleyes:

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