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    This Memorial Day, Freedom Is Dying Before Our Very Eyes What if the memory of the pa

    Sensationalist? Sure. Still worth reading and thinking about. I already know the lines that some here will choose to comment on.

    [QUOTE][B][URL="http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/24/this-memorial-day-freedom-is-dying-befor"]This Memorial Day, Freedom Is Dying Before Our Very Eyes[/URL][/B]

    [B]What if the memory of the past is more fulfilling than the reality of the present?[/B]

    [URL="http://reason.com/people/andrew-napolitano/all"]Andrew Napolitano[/URL] | May 24, 2012


    What if Memorial Day reminds us of times when we had more freedom? What if freedom is dying right under our eyes? What if the memory of the past is more fulfilling than the reality of the present?


    What if the federal government could write any law, regulate any behavior and tax any event, no matter what the Constitution authorized? What if the majority in Congress rejects the idea of limited government and views the Constitution as granting it blanket power to do whatever it can get away with? What if the constitutional prohibition on the government's taking of life, liberty or property without due process of law is only for show and is not for real?


    What if the House of Representatives seriously considered letting the military lock up whatever Americans the president ordered the troops to arrest, without charges filed or lawyers present or a judge presiding? What if the House seriously debated this idea of indefinite military detention of Americans in America and actually voted in favor of it? What if this unconstitutional monstrosity becomes the law and your right to due process depends on whether you remain with the majority, stay silent or behave properly? What if the Constitution's guarantees are not guarantees at all, but are subject to the whims of whoever is in power?


    What if the Declaration of Independence, which articulated the moral authority for the revolution against Great Britain, recognized that our rights come from our Creator and are inalienable? What if very few in government recognize the divine origin of human freedom and its natural integrity to our humanity?


    What if the government only permitted freedom so long as it was exercised as the government pleases? What if the government rejected the basic values of every person's right to life and liberty and property in favor of some collective good, where the government could arrest you without evidence, ration your freedom to suit the general welfare and take your property from you and sell it at a profit?


    What if the government could hire thugs to keep you safe? What if it gave the thugs uniforms and badges and sent them to airports? What if it gave them rubber gloves to wear and told them they could touch you and your children and your parents however and wherever they wished? What if these thugs touched the private parts of little babies and old ladies and intentionally restrained those who have criticized them while the rest of us just watched and let this happen?


    What if the airlines did a better job of keeping their customers happy and their property safe than the thugs did? What if the government spent millions of your tax dollars to advertise what a great job it's doing? What if the government charged the airlines millions of their dollars for the illusory services these thugs are rendering? What if the government's thugs never caught a single bad guy intent on harming a flight in America? What if the government's thugs actually let weapons and bad guys onto planes because the thugs are dopes who have no competition, who can't be sued and who won't be fired?


    What if the government found more dopes and dupes and convinced them that they should conspire to commit acts of terrorism? What if the idea for terrorist acts and the means for committing them came from the government? What if no real threats were involved in these games and no real weapons were used, just fake threats and fake weapons, fomented and provided by the government? What if the government created these phony crimes just so that it could solve them? What if no one was ever in danger from these government-created crimes, except those the government tricked? What if the government did this again and again and then boasted that it was keeping us safe from its own creations? What if Congress and the media and even the courts fell for this?


    What if, on Memorial Day, we remember times that were more free than today? What if, on Memorial Day, when we think of those who died for our freedom, we end up recognizing that the freedom they died for is dying? What if it becomes fashionable for the government to ignore the Constitution? What if the Constitution dies because the government stops following it? What if, next Memorial Day, freedom is just a memory?


    What do we do about it?


    [I]Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. Judge Napolitano has written six books on the U.S. Constitution. The most recent is "It Is Dangerous To Be Right When the Government Is Wrong: The Case for Personal Freedom."[/I]

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    If Obama is reelected our freedoms will be gone and the country will be broke. Tax the rich all you want it still won't cover the debt! The only problem in this country are the slugs that life is a free ride!

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    [B]What do we do about it?[/B]

    This is the most interesting line to me.

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4476488][B]What do we do about it?[/B]

    This is the most interesting line to me.[/QUOTE]

    I thing to do is be civil and polite and not bring anything into question like CR says. What ever you do you shouldn't question (Democrats) authority.

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4476488][B]What do we do about it?[/B]

    This is the most interesting line to me.[/QUOTE]

    Nothing to be done. It's quite a bit too late now.

    Best bet, take care of yourself and your loved ones, and protect yourself from the future as best you can.

    And always have an escape plan (a smart thing regardless tbh).

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4476525]And always have an escape plan (a smart thing regardless tbh).[/QUOTE]

    Like a rowboat?

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfkNvOOiZ_8[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4476500]I thing to do is be civil and polite and not bring anything into question like CR says. What ever you do you shouldn't question (Democrats) authority.[/QUOTE]

    Attack and blame the sitting President. It works!!

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4476500]I thing to do is be civil and polite and not bring anything into question like CR says. What ever you do you shouldn't question (Democrats) authority.[/QUOTE]

    Well we're not going to get anywhere with all this D vs. R crap are we? :confused:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4476525]Nothing to be done. It's quite a bit too late now.

    Best bet, take care of yourself and your loved ones, and protect yourself from the future as best you can.

    And always have an escape plan (a smart thing regardless tbh).[/QUOTE]

    Not I really feel bad. :(

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4476660]Well we're not going to get anywhere with all this D vs. R crap are we? :confused:[/QUOTE]

    However anyone outside of D or R are minimized as a no-chance fringe candidate. So we are back to the question of what do we do?

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4476665]However anyone outside of D or R are minimized as a no-chance fringe candidate. So we are back to the question of what do we do?[/QUOTE]

    I thought for sure Warfish would know. :steamin:

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4476661]Not I really feel bad. :([/QUOTE]

    Why?

    It's all speculation, generally. Sure, I think we've lost some freedom and liberty in providing additional power to the State, but it's not a horrible situation as yet. It could become one, but perhaps not even in our lifetimes.

    Plenty of room left still to make a perfectly awesome wonderful life for you and yours, and a nestegg upon which to draw for any spawn you might have. I myself have none, so I'll simply use up my funds by teh time I pass, enjoying it all along the way.

    No reason to feel bad FF.

    The answer, if you want my opinion, is to focus of freedom and personal liberty above all, with a smaller, downsized Federal Govt. taking in less to do less, many things devolved back to the States to fund/run as they see fit (giving citizens the freedom to pick and choose), including all the big State Systems some like if their State wants that, and a far-reduced Foreign Policy and Conventional Millitary. On the Federal level, a focus in Govt. on a true minimum-level "safety net" designed to catch you, and propel you right off it again asap. A Net to cover the disabled and service men. But not a bloated Universal System or Welfare system for all, which only encourages the welfare spiral and unproductiveness. Focus on personal responsabillity, accountabillity, living with the repurcussions of what you choose to do in life, good and bad, end "money as speech", and move to Voter ID laws and 100% Illegal Immigration enforcement. All these things and more combined could reverse the trend of State > Individual, but really, does anyone think any of it will happen?

    So you make the best of what you got.
    Last edited by Warfish; 05-24-2012 at 03:31 PM.

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    I love Napolitano, but he is really playing it up to the Tea Party, especially since he stopped being on the morning radio show.

    No one from the current Administration has argued against Habeas Corpus, technology has advanced and no one knows how far it will take us. New laws come with new technologies and the situations that may derive from that technology.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4476690]

    The answer, if you want my opinion, is to focus of freedom and personal liberty above all, with a smaller, downsized Federal Govt. taking in less to do less, many things devolved back to the States to fund/run as they see fit (giving citizens the freedom to pick and choose), including all the big State Systems some like if their State wants that, and a far-reduced Foreign Policy and Conventional Millitary. On the Federal level, a focus in Govt. on a true minimum-level "safety net" designed to catch you, and propel you right off it again asap. A Net to cover the disabled and service men. But not a bloated Universal System or Welfare system for all, which only encourages the welfare spiral and unproductiveness. Focus on personal responsabillity, accountabillity, living with the repurcussions of what you choose to do in life, good and bad, end "money as speech", and move to Voter ID laws and 100% Illegal Immigration enforcement. All these things and more combined could reverse the trend of State > Individual, but really, does anyone think any of it will happen? [/QUOTE]

    in your opinion,

    A. what percentage of voters agree with the majority of the above?

    B. what is the biggest obstacle to accomplishing the majority of the above?

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    If all those scenarios came true, I wonder how many US citizens would end up being collaborators and how many would revolt? Personally, I don't think the armed forces would ever violate the Constitution on the whims of politicians.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4477212]If all those scenarios came true, I wonder how many US citizens would end up being collaborators and how many would revolt? Personally, I don't think the armed forces would ever violate the Constitution on the whims of politicians.[/QUOTE]


    I wouldn't be so sure of that. If there were a few opportunistic generals and staffs that saw the chance for power and money you never know. How do you think all of the military dictatorships came about?

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4477003]in your opinion,

    A. what percentage of voters agree with the majority of the above?

    B. what is the biggest obstacle to accomplishing the majority of the above?[/QUOTE]

    A. Not a large %

    B. If I knew the answer to that....

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4477239]I wouldn't be so sure of that. If there were a few opportunistic generals and staffs that saw the chance for power and money you never know. How do you think all of the military dictatorships came about?[/QUOTE]

    Give me a break. Ain't ever going to happen here.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4477239]I wouldn't be so sure of that. If there were a few opportunistic generals and staffs that saw the chance for power and money you never know. How do you think all of the military dictatorships came about?[/QUOTE]

    1. This is not a 3rd world country
    2. A large majority of the US armed forces is conservative and religious and can be trusted to be moral.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4477278]1. This is not a 3rd world country
    2. A large majority of the US armed forces is conservative and religious and can be trusted to be moral.[/QUOTE]

    I hope and expect you are right but I also don't think that anything should be taken for granted.

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