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    [QUOTE=Jets Things;4476986]Guy's got a little dick.[/QUOTE]

    Citation needed.
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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4476972]I'd much rather see the Jets spend any extra money they have on shoring up the OL.[/QUOTE]
    +1.
    Very little depth along the line.

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4476972]I'd much rather see the Jets spend any extra money they have on shoring up the OL.[/QUOTE]

    I agree, and I think they made an OL or two between now the start of the season, but what makes anyone think that other team's rejects are better than what we already have? Granted, it can't get much worse than Hunter last year and I think ducasse will never amount to much, but they are known commodities. Many of the OL that have been cut are either old or injured or worse than Hunter or out of budget.

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4477019]If you are worried about depth there will be OL cut between now and week 1[/QUOTE]

    I agree that there will be further opportunities to plug this hole
    via the cuts from other teams.

    I'm simply supporting the statements of many others that the
    OLine seems to us fans to be thin and that the management
    does not share our concerns.

    In every yes-no issue even the complete morons have a 50-50 shot
    of being right. After they are, they assume that they're smart.

    Last summer many fans bemoaned a thin OLine and we were proven right.
    This summer, we're repeating the very same concern. Having been right last year
    does not make us actually knowledgeable...but its better than having been wrong.

    I believe (1) we're thin on OL and (2) the management does not seem concerned.

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    [QUOTE=ARodFLKeysJetsFan;4477051]This......[/QUOTE]
    They'd be foolish not to bring in Leonard Davis...

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4476972]I'd much rather see the Jets spend any extra money they have on shoring up the OL.[/QUOTE]
    Who is available right now to accomplish that?

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    [B]UPDATE: Jason La Canfora just tweeted this: “The Jets have been checking on shiancoe, and want 2 mobile TE sets. Shank is solid at LOS[/B]“


    Shank? I like it. Ragu would like that nickname.

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    [QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4476988]The Jets must feel REALLY confident that Sparano could turn around Hunter. They just won't address the area in any capacity.[/QUOTE]

    If they do want to address that area this really isn't the time to do it. Who is out there that you would want playing RT?

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    I remember when the Vikings signed him away from the Giants, he got some ridiculous overpriced contract as I recall and he never really lived up to it. He's not a bad player though.

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    [QUOTE=GreenGeek;4477247]I agree that there will be further opportunities to plug this hole
    via the cuts from other teams.

    I'm simply supporting the statements of many others that the
    OLine seems to us fans to be thin and that the management
    does not share our concerns.

    In every yes-no issue even the complete morons have a 50-50 shot
    of being right. After they are, they assume that they're smart.

    Last summer many fans bemoaned a thin OLine and we were proven right.
    This summer, we're repeating the very same concern. Having been right last year
    does not make us actually knowledgeable...but its better than having been wrong.

    I believe (1) we're thin on OL and (2) the management does not seem concerned.[/QUOTE]

    understand....a few things are different than last season...Different OC & OL coaches, which bring different philosophies and a full offseason of OTAs....

    It has been reported, with Rex saying it, that the Jets OTs last year were left on an island...Who is at fault for that? Shotty? Callahan? a combo of both??? whomever..2011 is over..On to 2012

    So now maybe Sparano and the new OL Coach (DeGuglielmo) are changing up the blocking schemes to lessen what happened last season..

    Add to that a full offseason of OTAs etc for the OL (especially for the Ducasse, Hunter, Schlauderaff, Austin Howard, Dennis Landolt, (maybe even Matt Kroul)) to work with the coaches and refine and improve their knowledge/techniques

    We'll see

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4477286]If they do want to address that area this really isn't the time to do it. Who is out there that you would want playing RT?[/QUOTE]

    I'd rather kick the tires on a guy like Kareem McKenzie, just to give Hunter a [I]little[/I] competition, than waste the money on an old TE who can't block.

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4477319]understand....a few things are different than last season...Different OC & OL coaches, which bring different philosophies and a full offseason of OTAs....

    It has been reported, with Rex saying it, that the Jets OTs last year were left on an island...Who is at fault for that? Shotty? Callahan? a combo of both??? whomever..2011 is over..On to 2012

    So now maybe Sparano and the new OL Coach (DeGuglielmo) are changing up the blocking schemes to lessen what happened last season..

    Add to that a full offseason of OTAs etc for the OL (especially for the Ducasse, Hunter, Schlauderaff, Austin Howard, Dennis Landolt, (maybe even Matt Kroul)) to work with the coaches and refine and improve their knowledge/techniques

    We'll see[/QUOTE]

    I agree. The big changes have all been coaching, not personnel.
    Rex took nearly the same defensive group that Mangini left and
    transformed them into a top defense. This is possible for our offense.

    I'm just surprised to hear a poster (best on JI, IMHO) be even more optimistic than me!

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    [QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4476988]The Jets must feel REALLY confident that Sparano could turn around Hunter. They just won't address the area in any capacity.[/QUOTE]

    Major mistake Hunter is hot garbage.

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    [QUOTE=10PennyToColes87;4477325]I'd rather kick the tires on a guy like Kareem McKenzie, just to give Hunter a [I]little[/I] competition, than waste the money on an old TE who can't block.[/QUOTE]

    +1

    What's the deal with Marcus McNeil? Why is he stil on the market? Injury?

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    [QUOTE=GreenGeek;4478139]I agree. The big changes have all been coaching, not personnel.
    Rex took nearly the same defensive group that Mangini left and
    transformed them into a top defense. This is possible for our offense.

    I'm just surprised to hear a poster (best on JI, IMHO) be even more optimistic than me![/QUOTE]

    Thanks GreenGreek! I just try to peel away some of the nonsense and try to look at things from a football perspective..No expert by any means.

    People continue to harp on Hunter, as it was warranted based on his '11 performance. But those same people rarely mention D'Brick, who was almost as bad as Hunter last year...so why was that?

    Well, Rex said, and for whatever the reason for it, the Jets OTs were on islands last season..Again, why? And why didn't the coaches change things? Or if they did why didn't it correct the problem? I also believe the QB plays into some of this..His lack/inability to read D's and change protection coverages a la Manning, Brady etc play into poor line play....

    And I believe the lack of OTAs affect the OL about as much as any position on a FB team (other than QB)..

    But out with the '11 crap, the book is closed and buried 6 feet under and on to '12...

    I think we'll see a much improved performance out of the Jets OL this season

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    What's the deal with Marcus McNeil? Why is he stil on the market? Injury?[/QUOTE]

    Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2012, 9:31 PM EDT

    As the Eagles scramble to replace left tackle [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3061/jason-peters"]Jason Peters[/URL], they’ve predictably shown interest in one of the top tackles still on the market.

    Agent Alvin Keels tells PFT via email that the Eagles have reached out regarding former Chargers left tackle [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3639/marcus-mcneill"]Marcus McNeill[/URL].
    Keels said it’s too early to say whether the Eagles’ interest in McNeill is serious.

    If McNeill is healthy, it should be. [B] But the question is whether McNeill’s neck has healed after an injury that ended his 2011 — and his career in San Diego — prematurely.[/B]

    [URL]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/eagles-reach-out-to-marcus-mcneills-agent/[/URL]


    The more heralded of the two, Marcus McNeill, appears to have the more serious injury concern.[B] He was a long history of injuries and was diagnosed with spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal column) prior to being drafted in 2006.[/B]

    [B]McNeill's main problem is with his neck. After the 2008 season, he underwent neck surgery for an undisclosed reason. He then hurt his neck again in November of last season and ended up on injured reserve.[/B]

    His apparent slow recovery, failure of a team physical and concerns for his future are what prompted the [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/san-diego-chargers"]Chargers[/URL] to cut ties with their former two-time Pro Bowl left tackle earlier this month.

    Since then, there seems to be confusion over whether or not McNeill has been medically cleared to play. [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/41027/report-marcus-mcneill-out-in-san-diego"]This report[/URL] by Bill Williamson of ESPN says he has not been cleared, at least as of March 13th, 2012.

    Around that same time, [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17769877/chargers-release-marcus-mcneill-sign-c-nick-hardwick-to-three-year-deal"]McNeill's agent, Alvin Keels,[/URL] stated that he was, in fact, cleared to play. However, the difference is that the clearance stated by Keels is from an independent orthopedic neck and spine doctor. The problem is, he was not cleared by the Chargers' [I]team[/I] doctor and will ultimately need to pass an [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/nfl"]NFL[/URL] team physical in order to play.

    In a nutshell, the prognosis on McNeill is sketchy at this point. If he's 100 percent healthy, he's the most talented tackle available. However, even if he is 100 percent healthy [I]right now[/I], whether or not he can [I]stay[/I] that way is another story.

    [URL]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1126753-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-mcneill-and-demetrius-bell-have-injury-concerns-too[/URL]
    Last edited by C Mart; 05-26-2012 at 10:23 AM.

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4478161]Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2012, 9:31 PM EDT

    As the Eagles scramble to replace left tackle [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3061/jason-peters"]Jason Peters[/URL], they’ve predictably shown interest in one of the top tackles still on the market.

    Agent Alvin Keels tells PFT via email that the Eagles have reached out regarding former Chargers left tackle [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3639/marcus-mcneill"]Marcus McNeill[/URL].
    Keels said it’s too early to say whether the Eagles’ interest in McNeill is serious.

    If McNeill is healthy, it should be. [B] But the question is whether McNeill’s neck has healed after an injury that ended his 2011 — and his career in San Diego — prematurely.[/B]

    [URL]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/eagles-reach-out-to-marcus-mcneills-agent/[/URL]


    The more heralded of the two, Marcus McNeill, appears to have the more serious injury concern.[B] He was a long history of injuries and was diagnosed with spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spinal column) prior to being drafted in 2006.[/B]

    [B]McNeill's main problem is with his neck. After the 2008 season, he underwent neck surgery for an undisclosed reason. He then hurt his neck again in November of last season and ended up on injured reserve.[/B]

    His apparent slow recovery, failure of a team physical and concerns for his future are what prompted the [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/san-diego-chargers"]Chargers[/URL] to cut ties with their former two-time Pro Bowl left tackle earlier this month.

    Since then, there seems to be confusion over whether or not McNeill has been medically cleared to play. [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/41027/report-marcus-mcneill-out-in-san-diego"]This report[/URL] by Bill Williamson of ESPN says he has not been cleared, at least as of March 13th, 2012.

    Around that same time, [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17769877/chargers-release-marcus-mcneill-sign-c-nick-hardwick-to-three-year-deal"]McNeill's agent, Alvin Keels,[/URL] stated that he was, in fact, cleared to play. However, the difference is that the clearance stated by Keels is from an independent orthopedic neck and spine doctor. The problem is, he was not cleared by the Chargers' [I]team[/I] doctor and will ultimately need to pass an [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/nfl"]NFL[/URL] team physical in order to play.

    In a nutshell, the prognosis on McNeill is sketchy at this point. If he's 100 percent healthy, he's the most talented tackle available. However, even if he is 100 percent healthy [I]right now[/I], whether or not he can [I]stay[/I] that way is another story.

    [URL]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1126753-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-mcneill-and-demetrius-bell-have-injury-concerns-too[/URL][/QUOTE]
    well... that answers that.

    thanks, C-Mart

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4476972]I'd much rather see the Jets spend any extra money they have on shoring up the OL.[/QUOTE]

    Apparently Sparano ,Rex,T must feel they know more about the player then you. It would appear they want to see more of Hunter with more training under Sparano. I have faith that they know what they are doing. But why not write your opinions down based on your training and experience and send to Woody Johnson. Perhaps you can influence him to flex his money and demand That his allegedly inept FO wake up and take your sage advice!


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    [QUOTE]

    Originally Posted by [B]Jets Things[/B][URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4476986#post4476986"][IMG]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL]


    [I]Guy's got a little dick.[/I]
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    I always figured JetNut would be first to provide that fact.

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    [QUOTE=Snell41;4477318]I remember when the Vikings signed him away from the Giants, he got some ridiculous overpriced contract as I recall and he never really lived up to it. He's not a bad player though.[/QUOTE]

    Favre used him pretty well.

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