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    The AFC East blog is wrapping up its two-stop minicamp tour in the Northeast with the New York Jets and New England Patriots. It was a fun week in which I was able to see both teams up close.

    But before we head back to our Miami headquarters, here are some things we liked and disliked from the Patriots and Jets :

    Things we liked

    ~ ~ No. 2 : Jets’ defense

    Watching the Jets practice and talking to players in the locker room, it's clear the Jets' defense is hungry. The defense was a top-five unit last year, but the players still do not feel they played to their standards. The Jets' defense was flying around the football in minicamp and appears to be getting its swagger back.In-house players such as linebacker Bart Scott and second-year defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson look in great shape and much improved. Outside additions such as rookie defensive end Quinton Coples and veteran safety Yeremiah Bell also are making plays. If the Jets can get hard-hitting safety LaRon Landry (Achilles) healthy, they will have defensive playmakers at nearly every position. Jets linebacker Calvin Pace says they want to be the No. 1 defense in the NFL this season. If everyone stays healthy, the Jets could have a shot.

    No. 3 : Jets WR Chaz Schilens

    Chaz Schilens stood out among the Jets' wide receivers at minicamp.
    During my Tuesday trip to Florham Park, N.J., Schilens was the receiver who made the most plays in practice. The former Oakland Raider has good size, strong hands and athleticism. Schilens could be an underrated find if he’s able to stay healthy, which has always been an issue.Schilens made a play Tuesday that most Pro Bowl receivers couldn’t make. One-on-one against Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, Schilens beat Revis to the corner of the end zone, leaped over the cornerback and snatched a high pass from quarterback Mark Sanchez for a touchdown. It was the most impressive catch of practice, especially considering who Schilens beat.

    The Jets need playmakers on offense. Schilens will earn playing time if he makes more plays like that in training camp.

    Things we didn't like

    ~ ~ No. 3: Jets WR injuries

    Speaking of injuries, I didn't get a good evaluation of New York's receivers this week, because many of them were banged up. Projected starters Santonio Holmes and rookie second-round pick Stephen Hill both have hamstring injuries. Backup Patrick Turner also is banged up.The good news is we got to see receivers like Schilens, Jeremy Kerley and Royce Pollard get extra work. But Holmes and Hill are the big guns the Jets will be relying on this season. Quarterbacks Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow need reps with New York's starting receivers, because the team is learning a new offense under first-year offensive coordinator Tony Sparano. Holmes, Hill and Turner will have to make up for missed time next month in training camp.

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    > http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...riots-minicamp

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    Arrow " Who looked good ... and who didn't ? " ~ ~ ~

    Who looked good ...
    and who didn't ? ?

    The Jets concluded minicamp on Thursday afternoon and the identity of the team is taking shape. A look at what was learned about the Jets six weeks before they head to training camp in Cortland, N.Y.

    STOCK UP ~ ~

    Chaz Schilens — Plagued by injuries throughout his career, the wide receiver only has one season where he played all 16 games (and that was his rookie year in 2008). There’s no denying his talent when he was on the field and healthy for the Raiders. With the departure of Plaxico Burress after one season, Schilens adds another badly needed big body to the receiving corps. During the three days of minicamp, he used his frame well and even rose above cornerback Darrelle Revis for a nice touchdown in the back of the end zone one day. With fellow receivers Santonio Holmes, Stephen Hill and Patrick Turner all out injured, Schilens stood out as a go-to player.

    STOCK DOWN ~ ~

    Kyle Wilson — It was a tough go for Wilson, who seemed to be picked on a bit by the quarterbacks. The former first-round pick needs to take a significant step forward this year in his development and his play showed spurts of potential — but still only spurts. Training camp might be a better gauge for Wilson to showcase his talent as he can be more physical at the line. But right now, his development looks like the status quo.

    NAME TO WATCH ~ ~

    Isaiah Trufant — With Marquice Cole signing with the Patriots this offseason, the Jets need a special teams playmaker to emerge from training camp and that talent might be Trufant. As a gunner on punt returns, Trufant’s responsibility is to race down the sideline and limit returns and, in certain situations, try and down the ball before it rolls into the end zone. Trufant has shown a knack for the ball and is developing a good chemistry with punter T.J. Conley on punts inside the 20-yard line. An added bonus: He appears to be a decent cover cornerback as well, even when the diminutive Trufant (5-foot-8) is overmatched in terms of his size.

    NEEDS TO STEP UP ~ ~

    Jeff Cumberland — It hasn’t been an easy start to a career for Cumberland, who spent his first year in the league working on his transition from wide receiver in college to tight end. And then, on top of that, he was injured for most of last year. So it is easy to see that 2012 is a big year for Cumberland. He was always a good route runner and had good hands, but this year his blocking has improved. The need for an all-around tight end behind Dustin Keller is imperative with the loss of Matt Mulligan and Ben Hartsock to free agency. Cumberland has the chance to earn snaps with a strong training camp, but he didn’t hurt his chances during minicamp at all.

    BIGGEST SURPRISE ~ ~

    John Griffin — The running back signed with the Bengals as an undrafted free agent last year and so far, he’s looked the part of an NFL player. Griffin, a UMass product who was an early-September cut last year in Cincinnati, has good speed and feet and has shown some nice cutback ability. With the Jets looking for a change of pace back after Shonn Greene, Griffin’s ability to change directions and catch balls out of the backfield has created a bit of a buzz around Florham Park.

    > http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/a...and-who-didn-t



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    Arrow TROUBLE dept. : 5 biggest trouble spots on our roster ~ ~ ~

    This is our fourth "Take Five" list. From now until training camp, we'll have periodic lists -- some serious, some not-so-serious. Here, we examine potential trouble spots on the Jets' roster :

    1. Blocking tight end.
    Honestly, did you ever think we'd be wondering how the Jets will replace Matthew Mulligan? Right now, they don't have a pure blocking tight end on the roster. The No. 2 is Jeff Cumberland, a former college wide receiver with limited blocking skills. Look for the Jets to add a veteran at some point. A silver lining: Contrary to popular belief, new OC Tony Sparano isn't married to two-tight end formations. The Dolphins used 2+ tight ends for only 267 plays last season, fewer than all but six teams, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

    2. Backup center.
    Nick Mangold showed last season that he's not indestructible, so they can't take this for granted. In minicamp, LG Caleb Schlauderaff worked as the No. 2 center, but he has no game experience at the position. It would behoove the Jets to address this issue.

    3. Veteran depth at wide receiver.
    Rex Ryan said last week he's comfortable with the current group; he also said they haven't reached out to Braylon Edwards. Clearly, the Jets want to give rookie Stephen Hill, slot man Jeremy Kerley and Chaz Schilens every opportunity to be the No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 receivers. They're putting a lot of faith in Schilens, an occasional starter in four injury-plagued seasons with the Raiders. It might not be a bad idea to bring in some insurance.

    4. Punter.
    T.J. Conley was so-so last season, finishing 18th in net average. His competition is Travis Baltz, who has no regular-season experience. The top free-agent punters are Daniel Sepulveda, Brad Maynard and Mat McBriar. Conley will get the preseason, but the Jets will have an eye on the market.

    5. Cornerback depth.
    With the growth of spread offenses, cornerback depth is vital. Your nickel back probably will play about 50 percent of the snaps, making him a 12th starter, so to speak. The Jets' top three corners are as good as any team in the league, but there's a considerable dropoff. Right now, Ellis Lankster and Isaiah Trufant are the fourth and fifth corners, respectively. They could use another experienced hand. Did someone say Drew Coleman? He's available; the Jets should sign him back.

    > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...pots-on-roster

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    When did the Jets sign a RT?

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    Again nice report..... Good info in here.

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    how is right tackle not on this list? Wayne Hunter is a pass blocking RT who has trouble pass blocking.
    This offense needs a road-grading RT who they can run behind. We still haven't replaced Woody.

    Go out and get Vernon Carey, Kareem McKenzie or some other veteran

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    ... oh , and by the way,
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    At least you got them to agree on something. No small feat

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    It doesn't matter who the backup Center is, for the simple fact Nick Mangold is an all-pro Center and the premier Center in today's NFL. If Mangold goes down, we're in trouble regardless. When any team loses a top 3 player (of their respected team), they'll be in trouble, regardless of the backup. I wouldn't consider the backup position a concern, because Mangold is 100% healthy as of right now, and has never (and isn't) injury prone.

    Same goes for the CB position. There's a risk of injury on any given play. And that goes for every player of every team, but as of right now, we're featuring a great trio of CB's in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson. Really doesn't get much better than that.

    I do agree with veteran depth at the WR position, but then again last season we featured Mason and Burress as our #2 and slot WR's heading into the season. Look how that turned out. To make a long story short? It was time to go younger. Holmes and Hill on the outside, Kerley coming out of the slot, Keller working the middle of the fied, McKnigh coming out of the backfield etc, etc; I feel that we're on the verge of featuring a dynamic offense for Sanchez (and even Tebow) to work with. I wouldn't consider a 6'5/220 Patrick Turner, a talented Chaz Schilens or a speedy/quick Scotty McKnight as being the worst depth around.

    I do have concerns with our ability to block with our TE position (maybe Vlad can improve as an added blocker on obvious running situations). Also concerned about our RT position but time will tell of Hunter has improved when compared to last season ala his first year as a starting RT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelly View Post
    This is our fourth "Take Five" list. From now until training camp, we'll have periodic lists -- some serious, some not-so-serious. Here, we examine potential trouble spots on the Jets' roster :

    1. Blocking tight end.
    Honestly, did you ever think we'd be wondering how the Jets will replace Matthew Mulligan? Right now, they don't have a pure blocking tight end on the roster. The No. 2 is Jeff Cumberland, a former college wide receiver with limited blocking skills. Look for the Jets to add a veteran at some point. A silver lining: Contrary to popular belief, new OC Tony Sparano isn't married to two-tight end formations. The Dolphins used 2+ tight ends for only 267 plays last season, fewer than all but six teams, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

    2. Backup center.
    Nick Mangold showed last season that he's not indestructible, so they can't take this for granted. In minicamp, LG Caleb Schlauderaff worked as the No. 2 center, but he has no game experience at the position. It would behoove the Jets to address this issue.

    3. Veteran depth at wide receiver.
    Rex Ryan said last week he's comfortable with the current group; he also said they haven't reached out to Braylon Edwards. Clearly, the Jets want to give rookie Stephen Hill, slot man Jeremy Kerley and Chaz Schilens every opportunity to be the No. 2, No. 3 and No. 4 receivers. They're putting a lot of faith in Schilens, an occasional starter in four injury-plagued seasons with the Raiders. It might not be a bad idea to bring in some insurance.

    4. Punter.
    T.J. Conley was so-so last season, finishing 18th in net average. His competition is Travis Baltz, who has no regular-season experience. The top free-agent punters are Daniel Sepulveda, Brad Maynard and Mat McBriar. Conley will get the preseason, but the Jets will have an eye on the market.

    5. Cornerback depth.
    With the growth of spread offenses, cornerback depth is vital. Your nickel back probably will play about 50 percent of the snaps, making him a 12th starter, so to speak. The Jets' top three corners are as good as any team in the league, but there's a considerable dropoff. Right now, Ellis Lankster and Isaiah Trufant are the fourth and fifth corners, respectively. They could use another experienced hand. Did someone say Drew Coleman? He's available; the Jets should sign him back.

    > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...pots-on-roster
    That list is a Joke coming off the season we had last yr.


    1 ~ QB ~ Is he or is he not what we thought we were getting .

    2 ~ OL ~ Can we protect the QB and run block effectively to execute Sparano's offense.

    3 ~ DB ~ specifically the safety position

    4 ~ ST ~ the kicking game,at both ends.

    5 ~ RB ~ who's what and what do we actually have

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelly View Post
    This is our fourth "Take Five" list. From now until training camp, we'll have periodic lists -- some serious, some not-so-serious. Here, we examine potential trouble spots on the Jets' roster :

    1. Blocking tight end...

    2. Backup center...

    3. Veteran depth at wide receiver...

    4. Punter...

    5. Cornerback depth.

    > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...pots-on-roster
    I had to chime in here because the above is incorrect. Problems are

    1. Right tackle--nothing to explain here

    2. Safety--we got a whole bunch of band-aids for a gashing wound. The rookies won't be ready to play every down. Landry likely won't be ready. Looks like Smith and Bell.

    3. Outside Linebacker--another year with a mish-mash of inferior talent; Bright side is Maybin who has yet to prove he can play the run and Thomas old coming off Achiles. Could be as bad as last year. That said, problems at this position are masked by strong play of Lineman against run and great scheming by Ryan

    4. Quarterback--Right now it's inferior, no question about it. But we're committed to Sanchez for this year.

    5. Wide Receiver--again a bunch of unprovens. Holmes gets double-teamed so who is going to threaten the D man on man. Hill could be great, but he's a rookie, Shillens has potential, but that's it. Kerley can be covered man on man. It could be a disaster, it could be okay. On paper it's a weakness.

    Top 5 weak areas should not include punter and CB depth when our starters are weak. That said the Jets have some definite strengths which are:

    1. Corner Back

    2. Defensive line

    3. Offensive Line

    4. Middle Linebacker

    5. Head Coach. Ryan schemes around a lot of problems on D

    Don't interpret this post as doom and gloom, Jets are a potential 12 game winning team this year so long as a few pieces pan out. (I.e. a legit: #2 WR, RT, better offensive scheme and even slightly better safety play.)

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    LOL @ ESPN.


    1. RT
    2. OL backups
    3. S
    4. QB
    5. OLB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    LOL @ ESPN.


    1. RT
    2. OL backups
    3. S
    4. QB
    5. OLB

    I agree. ESPN doesn't have their pule on the Jets when compared to our fan base ala the one's who actually follow and support the team.

    1.) We all know Hunter/Vlad are a concern (based off of last year's performance or lack thereof). Now, hopefully Hunter/Vlad (espacially Hunter) has improved just off of the starting experience that he gained in 2011. He better have improved, or else...

    2.) I feel that anytime you were to lose an offensive lineman, it's a big concern, and that's regardless of which team we're talking about. Especially Ferguson and Mangold in our case. But then again, our O-Line concerns go back to the development/improvement of Vlad. It's as simple as that. We may have injuries here and there (hopefully not for longer than 2-3 weeks at a time) but Vlad being able to (potentially) become a quality backup could help our depth at both the Guard and Tackle positions. I've yet to give up on Vlad. When we drafted him 3 years ago? Our entire front office, coaching staff and even fan base not only knew, but also understood it could take this (at the time, raw) kid a good 3-4 years of development under our coaching staff to develop/become a solid lineman. He's entering his 3rd season as a pro, let's wait and see.

    3.) I agree once again, but also feel that (if healthy) both Bell and Landry are improvements/upgrades over Leonhard (who was/is undersized) and Smith (who's too slow, doesn't have a lot of range and has never been the quickest safety in the world). If healthy, Bell and Landry can become the strongest safety due we've yet to see under coach Ryan. I understand LaRon has injury concerns, but it's a low risk-high reward type of signing/situation. If healthy? Landry can feast.

    4.) I strongly agree in regards to Sanchez. How will he respond to a new/different offense for the first time since his rookie season of 2009? How will Sanchez respond to the "pressure" of having Tebow listed as a backup? What about the freedom of being able to change the play at the L.OS which also includes hot routes from the WR's, will they get crossed up too often? None of us have answers to this (as of right now), but I am hopeful that Sparano can put Sanchez (as well as our WR's) in better position for success than what Shotty Jr has done dating back to 2006.

    5.) You hit the nail on the head in regards to listing the OLB position as a concern. Pace had his worst year as a Jet last season, and he actually played all 16 games for once. Bryan Thomas is returning from a season ending injury and he's also getting up there in age. How will he respond? Can he still proved us with a run stuffing OLB? What about Maybin? Will he continue to improve or were those 6 sacks and 4 forced fumbles during his first 9 games smoke and mirror's? Lots of question marks in regards to our OLB's.

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    Just 5, dude you are being very positive.

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    PUNTER, BLOCKING TE, CENTER.... STOP IT.

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    I'd also like to add our RB's to a list of concerns. I feel Shonn Greene is meant for our new offense under Sparano. A physical offensive scheme, and we all know Greene can be as physical as they come. It's his durability as a feature back, getting the majority of the workload which is a concern. Although I do love Greene come the winter months of December and January. After the departure of Tomlinson, will a still pretty raw Joe McKnight be able spell Greene throughout the course of a series, game, year etc, etc? He does seem to be a dynamic athlete, one is whom we can line up all over the field, swing passes coming out of the backfield, and utilize his speed (and field vision; see KO returns) with screens coming out of the backfield. It's just that, he's never played the role of 'backup RB' so there does lie a concern.

    What about John Conner? He couldn't compare to Tony Richardson in regards to last season, which is expected when compared to a future HOF lead blocking FB, but he was less than impressive last year (in my eyes at least).

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    1. RT
    2. QB
    3. S
    4. OLB
    5. ILB





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    That list is a Joke coming off the season we had last yr.


    1 ~ QB ~ Is he or is he not what we thought we were getting .

    2 ~ OL ~ Can we protect the QB and run block effectively to execute Sparano's offense.

    3 ~ DB ~ specifically the safety position

    4 ~ ST ~ the kicking game,at both ends.

    5 ~ RB ~ who's what and what do we actually have

    Agreed, except I would replace RB with OLB and pass rush in general. You can't assume Coples will be a huge factor, just like Wilkerson wasn't last year. It is simply mind boggling to me that BT and Pace remain our starters at OLB after so many years of utter mediocrity.

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