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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4481352]I am not ready to let him off the hook for Buffalo. There were some issues there. Can't blame Buffalo for everything. I think Maybin had some growing up to do. I think facing his career's mortality woke him up. He has been through a lot in his life. Maybe he carries the baggage better now.[/QUOTE]

    You're not ready to let him off the hook for Buffalo? What about when he was 12 and stole apples from old Ned Barley's farm? Do you forgive him for that?

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    [QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4482372]You're not ready to let him off the hook for Buffalo? What about when he was 12 and stole apples from old Ned Barley's farm? Do you forgive him for that?[/QUOTE]

    I like apples. Can't blame him for that.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;4482174]That's an often overlooked number. This will be his 4th year in the NFL and he just turned 24. For comparisons sake, he's over a full year younger than Brooks Reed.

    Its understandable that he wanted to cash in on the NFL riches early, but he is a guy who probably would have benefitted from going back to school for an extra year.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, but If the nfl advisory board says you are a early 1st rd pick, you leave unless you are a qb that thinks he can make it to the top 5 the next year. (pre CBA) Money is the name of the game. Being miscast and ill used and his lack of maturity ruined him in Buffalo and now the jets are the team that benefits.

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    If someone else can protect Maybin on the other side of the DL and keep the opponent's OL honest, then Maybin is going to make himself a lot of money this year. But he still needs some more moves. There is a lot of tape on the "new Maybin" now.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4482123]Pouha and DeVito are run specialists who rarely get sacks.

    Are they one trick ponies too?[/QUOTE]

    Operative word being "rarely".

    Pouha and Devito may "rarely" get sacks, but the fact is they do get sacks. They are far more versatile players and are at least on the field with an opportunity to get a sack on many passing situations.

    In contrast, Maybin is on the field on obvious passing situations, other than that, he doesn't see the field.

    He also is told to one thing - get the QB.

    So NO, Pouha and Devito are not one trick ponies.

    Maybin, however, is a one trick pony. At least at this point in time with the New York Jets.

    Nice try:rolleyes:

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    Two words I like - counter-intuitive and illogical. They apply here.
    Gain weight and retain speed. Really? How does one do that?
    If that was the case all the RBs would be bulked up to 240+.
    He "hopes" to retain his speed. Speed is not based on hope.
    Anybody here know a track coach? See any 225 pound blue chip sprinters? Any 185 pound distance runners? NO.

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4482462]Operative word being "rarely".

    Pouha and Devito may "rarely" get sacks, but the fact is they do get sacks. They are far more versatile players and are at least on the field with an opportunity to get a sack on many passing situations.

    In contrast, Maybin is on the field on obvious passing situations, other than that, he doesn't see the field.

    He also is told to one thing - get the QB.

    So NO, Pouha and Devito are not one trick ponies.

    Maybin, however, is a one trick pony. At least at this point in time with the New York Jets.

    Nice try:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Stop the nitpicking.

    You know what he meant. Even though he was nitpicking too.

    :D

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4482462]Operative word being "rarely".

    Pouha and Devito may "rarely" get sacks, but the fact is they do get sacks. They are far more versatile players and are at least on the field with an opportunity to get a sack on many passing situations.

    In contrast, Maybin is on the field on obvious passing situations, other than that, he doesn't see the field.

    He also is told to one thing - get the QB.

    So NO, Pouha and Devito are not one trick ponies.

    Maybin, however, is a one trick pony. At least at this point in time with the New York Jets.

    Nice try:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    Pouha and DeVito have 3.5 sacks between them in 7 and 5 years respectively. Yeah I suppose a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

    And like someone else said earlier, Pouha and DeVito are rarely in on passing downs. They are run specialists. And very good at it. Pass rushing is not their thing. But they are one trick ponies.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4482500]Two words I like - counter-intuitive and illogical. They apply here.
    Gain weight and retain speed. Really? How does one do that?
    If that was the case all the RBs would be bulked up to 240+.
    He "hopes" to retain his speed. Speed is not based on hope.
    Anybody here know a track coach? See any 225 pound blue chip sprinters? Any 185 pound distance runners? NO.[/QUOTE]

    No, but I know the difference between the straight line speed of a track sprinter and "football speed." That's an invalid comparison. Maybin has football speed and I don't think 15 pounds is going to hurt his football speed especially if he now has the improved strength to shed blocks to go with it.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4482586]No, but I know the difference between the straight line speed of a track sprinter and "football speed." That's an invalid comparison. Maybin has football speed and I don't think 15 pounds is going to hurt his football speed especially if he now has the improved strength to shed blocks to go with it.[/QUOTE]

    People who question Maybin's ability/talent usually don't know much about him.

    Maybin has TREMENDOUS explosion. A rare explosion, if you will. Before he was drafted, he recorded a 40" vertical leap at his workout. That was at 249lbs. A 40" vertical for a 250 pounder is insane. Now, people are worrying that he's going to lose his explosion at 240lbs? Laughable.

    And I love when people call him a one-trick pony. That one trick isn't very easy to handle. You can put him down for 9 or 10 sacks right now.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4482571]Pouha and DeVito have 3.5 sacks between them in 7 and 5 years respectively. Yeah I suppose a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

    And like someone else said earlier, Pouha and DeVito are rarely in on passing downs. They are run specialists. And very good at it. Pass rushing is not their thing. [B]But they are one trick ponies[/B].[/QUOTE]

    WRONG

    As you already said they have 3.5 sacks between them in 12 years. Therefore, they ARE more versatile and used far more often than Maybin. That makes them versatile players and NOT one trick ponies.

    Also your sarcasm with the blind squirrel thing does not diminish their accomplishments. The fact is, Pouha and Devito have made contributions to the team in MORE than one facet of the game.

    Maybin, on the other hand, has made contributions, but contributions in only one single area of the defense. Therefore, he can be described as a one trick pony.

    So I guess according to you Rex Ryan must be only a defensive coordinator and not a head coach, right? I mean after all, he admitted he didn't have much to do with the offense. So I guess Rex getting the offense to perform well enough to get the team into two consecutive AFC championships is just a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while, right?

    Go sleep with SAR:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4482780]WRONG

    [B]As you already said they have 3.5 sacks between them in 12 years. Therefore, they ARE more versatile and used far more often than Maybin. That makes them versatile players and NOT one trick ponies[/B].

    Also your sarcasm with the blind squirrel thing does not diminish their accomplishments. The fact is, Pouha and Devito have made contributions to the team in MORE than one facet of the game.

    Maybin, on the other hand, has made contributions, but contributions in only one single area of the defense. Therefore, he can be described as a one trick pony.

    So I guess according to you Rex Ryan must be only a defensive coordinator and not a head coach, right? I mean after all, he admitted he didn't have much to do with the offense. So I guess Rex getting the offense to perform well enough to get the team into two consecutive AFC championships is just a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while, right?

    Go sleep with SAR:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Very few on this board are more WRONG more often than you are.

    If they're so versatile, then why are they rarely used on passing downs? 3.5 sacks between 2 players over 7 years is proof positive that neither one is a pass rusher. And like I said, there's nothing wrong with that. They're very good at what they are paid to do. Stop the run. Hence, one trick ponies. If you think 3.5 sacks betwen 2 players over that time period is a display of versatility, then you're more clueless than I thought.

    Maybin had 11 tackles last season. According to your logic, he's versatile.

    Pouha and DeVito are run stoppers. Maybin is a pass rusher. If you're going to keep using the "one trick pony" to describe Maybin, then you have to apply it to Pouha and DeVito too.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4482804]Very few on this board are more WRONG more often than you are.

    If they're so versatile, then why are they rarely used on passing downs? 3.5 sacks between 2 players over 7 years is proof positive that neither one is a pass rusher. And like I said, there's nothing wrong with that. They're very good at what they are paid to do. Stop the run. Hence, one trick ponies. If you think 3.5 sacks betwen 2 players over that time period is a display of versatility, then you're more clueless than I thought.

    Maybin had 11 tackles last season. According to your logic, he's versatile.

    Pouha and DeVito are run stoppers. Maybin is a pass rusher. [B]If you're going to keep using the "one trick pony" to describe Maybin, then you have to apply it to Pouha and DeVito too.[/B][/QUOTE]

    Oh, I do, ugh? Why don't you KMA?

    And if I'm so wrong, how come you are so pathetically ignorant about this? I've proven you wrong, and yet you continue with this charade as though somehow it's going to make you appear less wrong.

    WRONG again. So I guess everyone else in the world is wrong also, right? Because I guarantee is you asked other people about Aaron Maybin the vast majority would also freely admit he's a one trick pony and Pouha and Devito are the EXACT opposite.

    Are they better at run stopping than they are pass rushers, sure. But at least they have an opportunity at a sack often during passing downs. Maybin doesn't even see the field unless it is an obvious passing down. That's proof positive of a one trick pony.

    I'm done arguing with a two year old. So make your lame attempt at some smart response. Have at it. But it still won't work.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4482586]No, but I know the difference between the straight line speed of a track sprinter and "football speed." That's an invalid comparison. Maybin has football speed and I don't think 15 pounds is going to hurt his football speed especially if he now has the improved strength to shed blocks to go with it.[/QUOTE]


    Wrong. Speed is speed. Period. The ability to change direction is an added feature in playing a team sport. That said adding weight can not increase speed. Unless the person just got out of a prison camp and is skin and bones.
    Bulk up to take on blockers? Great. Bulk up to get faster? Never.

    BTW, I do know a college track coach. I'll add other events to those which avoid added weight. Hurdlers, high jumpers, pole vaulters. They DO need to have the ability to adjust in the middle of performing. Coaches control the weights of these athletes.
    And coaches try to control the weight of football players who are in speed positions.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4483011]Wrong. Speed is speed. Period. [/QUOTE]

    Do yourself a favor and watch the Senior Bowl practices and the NFL Combine next year. You will hear this discussed at length and every person that discusses it will disagree with you.

    The ability to change directions while maintaining speed is just one aspect of "football speed".

    BTW, I agree with you about the weight v speed. I don't think every single person that gains weight gets slower but I do think that it is very likely.

    As for Maybin the only speed measurable that matters is his first 10 yd split. His "get-off" speed and explosion off the LOS. I think added weight would technically slow his 40 time but it will not have any significant effect on his "get off". His first steps and jump off the LOS will still be as good as anyone's.

    Long story short. We have nothing to worry about. Maybin can gain weight and still be effective. Even if he loses a fraction of a second, the benefits of the added weight and strength will outweigh any loss of speed, if any.
    Last edited by DDNYjets; 06-03-2012 at 09:54 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Mainejet;4482993]Oh, I do, ugh? Why don't you KMA?

    And if I'm so wrong, how come you are so pathetically ignorant about this? I've proven you wrong, and yet you continue with this charade as though somehow it's going to make you appear less wrong.

    WRONG again. So I guess everyone else in the world is wrong also, right? Because I guarantee is you asked other people about Aaron Maybin the vast majority would also freely admit he's a one trick pony and Pouha and Devito are the EXACT opposite.

    Are they better at run stopping than they are pass rushers, sure. [B]But at least they have an opportunity at a sack often during passing downs[/B]. Maybin doesn't even see the field unless it is an obvious passing down. That's proof positive of a one trick pony.

    I'm done arguing with a two year old. So make your lame attempt at some smart response. Have at it. But it still won't work.[/QUOTE]
    LOL. What exactly have you "proven?" Go ahead, I'll wait for your "expert" analysis.

    And you keep missing the point (not that that surprises anyone). How does Pouha and DeVito have an opportunity at a sack often during passing downs when they are rarely on the field during passing downs? And if they are, 3.5 sacks in 5-7 years is pretty pedestrian. What a weak argument. But then....we have to consider the source.
    Last edited by Jordy; 06-04-2012 at 10:43 AM.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4483011]Wrong. Speed is speed. Period. The ability to change direction is an added feature in playing a team sport. [B]That said adding weight can not increase speed[/B]. Unless the person just got out of a prison camp and is skin and bones.
    Bulk up to take on blockers? Great. Bulk up to get faster? Never.

    BTW, I do know a college track coach. I'll add other events to those which avoid added weight. Hurdlers, high jumpers, pole vaulters. They DO need to have the ability to adjust in the middle of performing. Coaches control the weights of these athletes.
    And coaches try to control the weight of football players who are in speed positions.[/QUOTE]
    I never said that adding weight could increase speed. I just don't think that 15 pounds will make a noticeable difference in Maybin's football speed. In fact, I think it will help Maybin. He'll break through blocks that before sent him off his path at a speed superior to most pass rushers.

    Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40 on a 239 pound frame. We know that Maybin isn't that fast nor does he need to be.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4483018]Do yourself a favor and watch the Senior Bowl practices and the NFL Combine next year. You will hear this discussed at length and every person that discusses it will disagree with you.

    The ability to change directions while maintaining speed is just one aspect of "football speed".

    BTW, I agree with you about the weight v speed. I don't think every single person that gains weight gets slower but I do think that it is very likely.

    As for Maybin the only speed measurable that matters is his first 10 yd split. His "get-off" speed and explosion off the LOS. I think added weight would technically slow his 40 time but it will not have any significant effect on his "get off". His first steps and jump off the LOS will still be as good as anyone's.

    Long story short. We have nothing to worry about. Maybin can gain weight and still be effective. Even if he loses a fraction of a second, the benefits of the added weight and strength will outweigh any loss of speed, if any.[/QUOTE]
    It amazes me how the same people who blasted Maybin in the "original" Maybin thread here, saying he had no heart nor desire to improve, he was a one trick pony and he was too skinny, are complaining now after it's plain to see that the kid has heart and desire to improve and is adding some muscle to his frame to improve his strength. And who cares if he doesn't play the run? He was signed to be a pass rusher. And he was the best pass rusher the Jets had. He was the best pass rusher in the NFL on a per snap basis. But people still try to find reasons to whine and complain. Unbelievable.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4483080]It amazes me how the same people who blasted Maybin in the "original" Maybin thread here, saying he had no heart nor desire to improve, he was a one trick pony and he was too skinny, are complaining now after it's plain to see that the kid has heart and desire to improve and is adding some muscle to his frame to improve his strength. And who cares if he doesn't play the run? He was signed to be a pass rusher. And he was the best pass rusher the Jets had. He was the best pass rusher in the NFL on a per snap basis. But people still try to find reasons to whine and complain. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]

    To be honest, I think he was too skinny. I think that had a factor in the reason why he didn't play a lot of snaps. His size was a bit of a liability. It seemed like the Jets only used him when they were certain the opponent would be passing. But like you said, his intended purpose was DPR so we can't kill him for not being able to play every down. But, I think DPRs are a luxury and we need guys that can play every down.

    This year, with the addition of Coples, I think we can afford to have him as just a DPR. So I think think this added weight/strength is a bonus. If he can play on first down then that will be great.

    But he still needs to expand his repertoire, and I am certain he will. IMO the "one-trick" thing is in reference to him basically only having one reliable speed pass rush move. I don't think it was in reference to him not being able to play the run. When I criticized him it was for basically not being able to get off a block once the OL engaged him. I think a reason why he struggled with that was because of his size. He got manhandled at times.

    We will see. I think the kid is maturing and if he wasn't a "hard worker" before, he certainly is one now. He will be motivated, he is trying to get himself a contract. So I think the Jets will benefit from this. It is a win-win no matter how you look at it.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4483088]To be honest, I think he was too skinny. I think that had a factor in the reason why he didn't play a lot of snaps. His size was a bit of a liability. It seemed like the Jets only used him when they were certain the opponent would be passing. But like you said, his intended purpose was DPR so we can't kill him for not being able to play every down. But, I think DPRs are a luxury and we need guys that can play every down.

    This year, with the addition of Coples, I think we can afford to have him as just a DPR. So I think think this added weight/strength is a bonus. If he can play on first down then that will be great.

    But he still needs to expand his repertoire, and I am certain he will. IMO the "one-trick" thing is in reference to him basically only having one reliable speed pass rush move. I don't think it was in reference to him not being able to play the run. When I criticized him it was for basically not being able to get off a block once the OL engaged him. I think a reason why he struggled with that was because of his size. He got manhandled at times.

    We will see. I think the kid is maturing and if he wasn't a "hard worker" before, he certainly is one now. He will be motivated, he is trying to get himself a contract. So I think the Jets will benefit from this. It is a win-win no matter how you look at it.[/QUOTE]
    First, I wasn't referring to you as one of those critics, although I know you were somewhat critical.

    And I agree with everything you said here. Although Maybin did show a couple of different moves (a swim, a bull rush and a spin), but he didn't use them on a consistent basis. Not at all. I think with the added weight and muscle (as well as continued good coaching), he can add these to his repertoire and have a very good season.

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