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    Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    I have read on here that illegals can't vote. That anyone worried about it is just a racist GOP lover. Explain to me what a "noncitizen voter" is and how the federal government can possibly think that they should remain on the rolls?!?

    I understand that they are calling it a flawed methodology but they are using the data at hand to determine who was not eligible at the time of getting a state ID and then contacting them and giving them 2 months to contact them. Is this really unreasonable?

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    The Miami Herald
    Posted on Thu, May. 31, 2012
    Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    By Marc Caputo
    [EMAIL="mcaputo@MiamiHerald.com"]mcaputo@MiamiHerald.com[/EMAIL]

    [B]The Justice Department ordered Florida’s elections division to halt a systematic effort to find and purge the state’s voter rolls of noncitizen voters.[/B]

    Florida’s effort appears to violate both the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which protects minorities, and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act – which governs voter purges – T. Christian Herren Jr., the Justice Department’s lead civil rights lawyer, wrote in a detailed two-page letter sent late Thursday night.

    State officials said they were reviewing the letter. But they indicated they might fight DOJ over its interpretation of federal law and expressed frustration that[B] President Barack Obama’s administration has stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nine months.[/B]

    “We are firmly committed to doing the right thing and preventing ineligible voters from being able to cast a ballot,” said Chris Cate, spokesman for Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who was ordered by Gov. Rick Scott to conduct the search for potentially ineligible voters.

    DOJ’s written demand came hours after the agency refused to comment on the matter to The Miami Herald. It also followed a federal court ruling Thursday that struck down a Republican voter-registration law that a judge found too onerous.

    So far, Florida has flagged [B]2,700 potential noncitizen voters[/B] and sent the list to county elections supervisors, who[B] have found the data and methodology to be flawed and problematic[/B]. The list of potential noncitizen voters – many of whom have turned out to be lawful citizens and voters – disproportionately hits minorities, especially Hispanics.

    About 58 percent of those flagged as potential noncitizens are Hispanics, Florida’s largest ethnic immigrant population, a Miami Herald analysis found. Hispanics make up 13 percent of the overall 11.3 million active registered voters.

    Independent voters and Democrats are the most likely to face being purged from the rolls. Republicans and non-Hispanic whites are the least likely.

    Under the Voting Rights Act, Florida needs federal approval before it makes changes to voting because five Florida counties – Monroe, Hillsborough, Collier, Hardee and Hendry – had minority-voting troubles decades ago

    "Our records do not reflect that these changes affecting voting have been submitted to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for judicial review or to the Attorney General for administrative review as required by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act," Herren wrote.

    "Accordingly, it is necessary that they either be brought before that court or submitted to the Attorney General for a determination that they neither have the purpose nor will have the effect of discriminating on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group under Section 5."

    He gave the state until next Wednesday to inform the Justice Department of its planned course of action.

    [B]“Specifically, please advise whether the State intends to cease the practice discussed above, so that the Department can determine what further action, if any, is necessary,” Herren wrote.
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    Herren also said that the National Voter Registration Act bans Florida’s effort because it says “a State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.”

    Florida elections officials have repeatedly said that their [B]efforts comply with all federal laws, which aren’t clearly written[/B]. The also say there’s nothing discriminatory or partisan about the effort. It’s simply trying to[B] remove ineligible voters: felons, dead people and noncitizens[/B].

    To spot noncitizens, though, the state began comparing voter rolls with a Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicle database that contains some citizenship information that the agency collects when people get a state ID such as a driver’s license.

    [B]But the citizenship data in many cases is out of date. That is, many people become citizens after they get their ID and then register to vote. But the highway safety database isn’t updated.[/B]

    [B]As a result, the state has performed its own checking and double-checking and winnowed down a pool of 180,000 potential noncitizens to a list of about 2,700. It is asking the counties to contact the voters by mail. Those who don’t respond within about two months of being contacted could be stricken from the rolls.[/B]

    A coalition of liberal-leaning civil rights groups complained to the Justice Department and the state about the process, pointing out that it burdens citizens instead of the government.

    Cate, the state elections spokesman, said the state will have a full response soon. The agency also seemed to express frustration with the lack of help from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which maintains citizenship data but won’t share its database with Florida.

    Detzner asked again for DHS help on Thursday.

    “We provided information to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security today in hopes that the federal government would help us identify ineligible voters,” Cate said. “While this isn’t a response from DHS as to why they haven’t provided us access to their data, at least we know the federal government knows we take ineligible voters on the voter rolls seriously. We hope the federal government will recognize the importance of accurate voter rolls and support our efforts.”

    © 2012 Miami Herald Media Company. All Rights Reserved.
    [URL]http://www.miamiherald.com[/URL]

    Read more here: [URL]http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/31/v-print/2826708/feds-demand-florida-cease-its.html#storylink=cpy[/URL]
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    It's Eric "My People" Holder at it again.
    Let's not forget that Eric's father was an immigrant from Latin America. His mother was also the daughter of immigrants. Were they legal?
    He's the proverbial "Black Hispanic". Now he's protecting the interests of his "homeboys". Anything to get the edge for the masser.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4481685]It's Eric "My People" Holder at it again.
    Let's not forget that Eric's father was an immigrant from Latin America. His mother was also the daughter of immigrants. Were they legal?
    He's the proverbial "Black Hispanic". Now he's protecting the interests of his "homeboys". Anything to get the edge for the masser.[/QUOTE]

    Holder is an agent of evil.

    [B]The U.S. Department of Justice sent a letter contending Florida's efforts to identify people who are not U.S. citizens violates federal voting laws. [/B]

    You can't make this stuff up--- This is exhibit A that the Demcrat party has inelligible voters and is openly fighting states to allow them to continue to vote illegally in our elections. This is the highest form of treason.

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    Hopefully him and Obama will be shown the door in November. Then prosecuted! They can visit the brothers in jail!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4481818]Hopefully him and Obama will be shown the door in November. Then prosecuted! They can visit the brothers in jail![/QUOTE]

    It's a done deal. His bootlickers on this MB will be rearranging the chairs on the BOtanic's deck now until November.

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    Yes another example of how "(D) = (R)"!

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    [QUOTE]So far, Florida has flagged 2,700 potential noncitizen voters and sent the list to county elections supervisors, who have found the data and methodology to be flawed and problematic. The list of potential noncitizen voters – [SIZE="7"]many of whom have turned out to be lawful citizens and voters – disproportionately hits minorities, especially Hispanics[/SIZE].[/QUOTE]

    You wonder why lawyers make money?

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4482508]You wonder why lawyers make money?[/QUOTE]

    So, you're saying the system works. Good boy!!

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4482533]So, you're saying the system works. Good boy!![/QUOTE]

    Yes and that's why the DOJ stopped the bs Florida was doing right away.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4482539]Yes and that's why the DOJ stopped the bs Florida was doing right away.[/QUOTE]

    Wrong! they found voter fraud and dead people on the rolls. The one's that are eligible still are. You Dems LOVE voter fraud.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4482548]Wrong! they found voter fraud and dead people on the rolls. The one's that are eligible still are. You Dems LOVE voter fraud.[/QUOTE]

    2,700 and the majority were legal voters. You can't ignore the past, the DOJ is involved because of the states past actions against minority voters.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4482548]Wrong! they found voter fraud and dead people on the rolls. The one's that are eligible still are. You Dems LOVE voter fraud.[/QUOTE]

    His argument is the typical left wing tripe---

    Because 100 years ago Southern Democrats rigged the system so blacks couldn't vote, henceforth the federal government can run roughshod over states rights in perpetuity. :zzz:

    Not for nothing, if the segregationists and proponents of Jim Crow laws could come back and see us now, they would be serving us all up a big heaping serving of "I told you so."

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4482575]His argument is the typical left wing tripe---

    Because 100 years ago Southern Democrats rigged the system so blacks couldn't vote, henceforth the federal government can run roughshod over states rights in perpetuity. :zzz:

    Not for nothing, if the segregationists and proponents of Jim Crow laws could come back and see us now, they would be serving us all up a big heaping serving of "I told you so."[/QUOTE]

    Laws are created for the idiots like you.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4482560]2,700 and the majority were legal voters. You can't ignore the past, the DOJ is involved because of the states past actions against minority voters.[/QUOTE]

    Yes decades ago when Florida had segregation and was under (D) rule.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4482579]Yes decades ago when Florida had segregation and was under (D) rule.[/QUOTE

    Except now they want to suppress white and military voters. And count votes of dead "minority's".

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4482579]Yes decades ago when Florida had segregation and was under (D) rule.[/QUOTE]

    This is the problem:

    Five counties in Florida are covered by the Voting Rights Act, a landmark piece of legislation that gives the federal government open-ended oversight of states and localities with a history of voter discrimination. Any changes in voting laws and procedures in the covered states must be "pre-cleared" with Washington.

    The Voting Rights Act gives the federal government an open ended ability to bully and cowtow any states that don't want to play ball.

    This has nothing to do with "race", but the feds are going to play the race card and as long as they do, there is nothing the state can do about it.

    We cannot get this gang of leftist scum out of power fast enough.

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    Yep, race has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:


    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4482585]This is the problem:

    Five counties in Florida are covered by the Voting Rights Act, a landmark piece of legislation that gives the federal government open-ended oversight of states and localities with a history of voter discrimination. Any changes in voting laws and procedures in the covered states must be "pre-cleared" with Washington.

    The Voting Rights Act gives the federal government an open ended ability to bully and cowtow any states that don't want to play ball.

    This has nothing to do with "race", but the feds are going to play the race card and as long as they do, there is nothing the state can do about it.

    We cannot get this gang of leftist scum out of power fast enough.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4482590]Yep, race has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Yep look at Philly and YOUR PEOPLE the New Black Panthers. Race has EVERYTHING to do with it.

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    [B][I]People Who Vote Twice[/I][/B]

    A sudden crackdown on an old trick.

    By Bill Gifford|Updated Thursday, Oct. 28, 2004, at 6:02 PM ET

    Maybe Joe Moschella thought he was playing it safe. The 59-year-old retired transit employee had mailed his absentee ballot too late, he thought, so on Election Day 2000, he trotted down to the polls and voted in person. The only problem was that his polling place is in Staten Island, where he lives, while the absentee ballot went to Florida, where he winters.



    This August, Moschella's name came up in a sweep of voter registration records by the New York Daily News, [B]which found that he and 46,000 other New Yorkers were registered to vote in both Florida and New York. [/B]Moschella also had the bad luck to answer the phone when the News reporter, Russ Buettner, called. So, his name appeared in the paper's Aug. 21 story revealing that in the 2000 election between 400 and 1,000 of these double-registrants voted in both states.



    Other investigations revealed similar results elsewhere. [B]The Orlando Sentinel found that 68,000 Florida voters are also registered in Georgia or North Carolina (the only two states it checked), 1,650 of whom voted twice in 2000 or 2002. [/B]The Kansas City Star discovered 300 "potential" cases of individual voter fraud, including Kansans voting in Missouri and St. Louisans voting in both the city and the surrounding suburbs. "I probably shouldn't have voted in Kansas," a Kansas City businesswoman named Lorraine Goodrich told the paper, owning up to the offense. "That was a mistake. Whoops! Oh my God, I'm going to get in so much trouble, aren't I?"



    Like, so much trouble. Intentionally voting more than once in a federal election is a third-degree felony in most states and probably also violates federal election-fraud laws. The punishment varies from state to state but is usually up to five or 10 years in jail and fine of up to $5,000 or $10,000.



    Even so, in a country where presidential election turnout hovers around 50 percent, voting twice has generally been one of those "why bother?" crimes that are rarely prosecuted. A couple of years ago, the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice. Most states disregarded the data.



    Few people get convicted of the offense, and their stories tend to be pretty entertaining. Adell Hardiman, a 51-year-old Missouri plumbing contractor, was convicted of voting in both Kansas City and nearby Blue Springs, where he owns a home. He registered openly in both places, using the same name and Social Security number. He got a suspended jail sentence. "If it was wrong to vote twice, why didn't they tell me that?" he asked the Star, pricelessly.



    In another case uncovered by the Star, insurance investigator Glenn R. Jourdon was found to have signed poll books in two counties in the 2002 elections. "I'd almost say I don't know how I possibly could have done it," said Jourdon, in a fairly typical excuse offered. "But there's no telling."



    After the Florida debacle of 2000, however, the good old days of getting away with voting twice (or even joking about it at dinner parties, as the film director John Waters has done) have ended. This year's double-voting investigations are already under way. In Galveston, Texas, the local district attorney is looking into six people who cast ballots twice in early voting. Right-wing bloggers, especially the bilious freerepublic.org, have been on fire since the Daily News story, since 68 percent of the News' double-registrants were Democrats, and Florida and New York officials—embarrassed by the newspapers' revelations—have been playing catch-up.

    [url]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2004/10/people_who_vote_twice.html[/url]

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;4482598]Yep look at Philly and YOUR PEOPLE the New Black Panthers. Race has EVERYTHING to do with it.[/QUOTE]

    He's basic assertion is that black people are the only one's committing voter fraud.

    That's what happens when you lie, distort and contort reality to forward propaganda for the Left.

    The cruel irony is it's whites and hispanics who committing the voter fraud and hiding behind the Voting Rights Act to do it.

    Why blacks don't get outraged or even insulted by this, is beyond me. I guess to them, the ends justify the means, and if thats the case, then they have no shame and no integrity.

    You can throw the Civil Rights movement in the ****can of history if the only thing those people put their lives on the line for was so non-citizens and dead people could vote for democrats.

    The right to vote is that cheap I guess.

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