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    War with Iran & the Kill List

    Cyber-war, that is...

    Apparently Obama has been ordering cyber attacks against Iran to stall their nuclear program. This was started under Bush but expanded rapidly under Obama. Should this be considered an act of war?

    This is only a couple of days after a report comes out that the Administration has an evolving "kill list" of targets hand picked by Obama, who decides which target will be the next mission for a drone strike. This kill list may include high profile enemies abroad as well as within, ie Americans. That's right, the President has been personally ordering assassinations.

    OBTW, Guantanamo Bay is still the number one Caribbean resort destination for holding prisoners without due process.

    Just wondering where the "Bush is a war criminal" folks are now...

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    WTF? I thought that since Iran recently found oil, we were going to be bosom buddies with them like we are with Russia...?

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    This is how you fight a 21st Century war.

    Not by sending 100k soldiers...but by using technology.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482032]This is how you fight a 21st Century war.

    Not by sending 100k soldiers...but by using technology.[/QUOTE]

    I see the point soared over your head... Not uncommon these days... Your posts in this part of the forum are basically unreadable at this point... I think you should take a step back and chill... Just my two cents...

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4482034]I see the point soared over your head... [/QUOTE]

    The point and PK's head aren't even in the same zip code, apparently.

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4482034]I see the point soared over your head... Not uncommon these days... Your posts in this part of the forum are basically unreadable at this point... I think you should take a step back and chill... Just my two cents...[/QUOTE]

    What part of my post was "unreadable"?

    And I've been saying for a while that I have no problem killing the a**holes over there. I think that using cyber attacks and unmanned drones is a great application of our current technology. It kills the idiots without killing our guys.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to take a step back...since you failed to even try to address the topic and instead attacked me. ;)
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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482041]What part of my post was "unreadable"?[/QUOTE]

    In relation to the OP it is garbage...

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4482045]In relation to the OP it is garbage...[/QUOTE]

    Actually it isn't. You are entitled to your opinion...but I addressed the topic with my opinion.

    Nothing wrong with that.

    And you stand on tenuous ground by taking fault with the whgharbiness of my posts when you also fail to do so to people like ace, Frequent Flyer and Dean.

    :P



    You guys are so uptight sometimes. :nono:

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482041]What part of my post was "unreadable"?

    And I've been saying for a while that I have no problem killing the a**holes over there. I think that using cyber attacks and unmanned drones is a great application of our current technology. It kills the idiots without killing our guys.

    Maybe you're the one who needs to take a step back...since you failed to even try to address the topic and instead attacked me. ;)[/QUOTE]

    So then you believe the cyber attack is an act of war?

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4482055]So then you believe the cyber attack is an act of war?[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely.



    [url]http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/us-was-chief-target-cyber-attacks-mcafee-121800[/url]

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482058]Absolutely.



    [url]http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/us-was-chief-target-cyber-attacks-mcafee-121800[/url][/QUOTE]

    So on top of keeping Gitmo open and ordering assassinations, the president also approved a secret war against Iran.

    Change!

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4482061]So on top of keeping Gitmo open and ordering assassinations, the president also approved a secret war against Iran.

    Change![/QUOTE]

    So if his policies mirror the former president, whose policies you supported...would that mean you also support a handful of Obama's policies? ;)

    I quite thoroughly enjoy the death-from-above campaign against AQ. It's a shame we can't turn the entire region into a sheet of glass.

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    What are the current war laws pertaining to cyber?

    Gitmo is still open because congress banned prisoners from being transferred out of gitmo to any US prison.



    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4482024]Cyber-war, that is...

    Apparently Obama has been ordering cyber attacks against Iran to stall their nuclear program. This was started under Bush but expanded rapidly under Obama. Should this be considered an act of war?

    This is only a couple of days after a report comes out that the Administration has an evolving "kill list" of targets hand picked by Obama, who decides which target will be the next mission for a drone strike. This kill list may include high profile enemies abroad as well as within, ie Americans. That's right, the President has been personally ordering assassinations.

    OBTW, Guantanamo Bay is still the number one Caribbean resort destination for holding prisoners without due process.

    Just wondering where the "Bush is a war criminal" folks are now...[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482068]So if his policies mirror the former president, whose policies you supported...would that mean you also support a handful of Obama's policies? ;)

    I quite thoroughly enjoy the death-from-above campaign against AQ. It's a shame we can't turn the entire region into a sheet of glass.[/QUOTE]

    The cyber war thing makes me a little uncomfortable. Stealing data and crippling computer systems sets us down a very slippery slope, IMO.

    The rest of the stuff I have no problem with. I'm just wondering where all the righteous outrage from the left is.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4482076]What are the current war laws pertaining to cyber?

    Gitmo is still open because congress banned prisoners from being transferred out of gitmo to any US prison.[/QUOTE]

    Ah, it pays to be informed. I am, as usual. And as usual, you are not.
    For a FACT, several GITMO detainees WERE tranferred to the Naval Consolidated Brig in Hanahan SC. This is a suburb of Charleston and adjacent to the Naval Weapons Station here.
    Well documented in the Post and Courier. A paper in circulation since 1803 BTW. Well before the commie rags - NY Times, Boston Globe and Washington Post.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4482088]The rest of the stuff I have no problem with. I'm just wondering where all the righteous outrage from the left is.[/QUOTE]

    The Left is not aganst killing or the removal of human rights, as long as it's the Left doing the killing and rigths removing. History has no shortage of examples.

    Same way the Right is not against Socialism/Collectvism, as long as it's the Right choosing what gets shared and with whom. History has no shortage of examples.

    LolPoliticsnlies.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4482032]This is how you fight a 21st Century war.

    Not by sending 100k soldiers...but by using technology.[/QUOTE]

    Is that you Schwarzkopf?

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4482024] Should this be considered an act of war?

    [/QUOTE]


    If so, we should have been at war with the Chinese the past ten years....

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    Cyber war is a very dangerous path. Clearly an act of war one the US is incredibly vulnerable to. Rather than going on the attack we should be working with the international community to protect all of us from these attacks.

    As far as the President personal picking the targets and the collateral civilians we are assassinating in countries we aren't at war with, it's the act of a criminal.

    If we are going to engage in the killing of civilians in countries we aren't at war with at least appoint a secret panel of Federal Judges to review the evidence and the eminent threat.

    The President personally choosing targets to kill where collateral civilian deaths are occurring with regularity is not just wrong it's criminally wrong.

    I have no problem putting Bush on Trial with Obama for the same crimes.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4482091]Ah, it pays to be informed. I am, as usual. And as usual, you are not.
    For a FACT, several GITMO detainees WERE tranferred to the Naval Consolidated Brig in Hanahan SC. This is a suburb of Charleston and adjacent to the Naval Weapons Station here.
    Well documented in the Post and Courier. A paper in circulation since 1803 BTW. Well before the commie rags - NY Times, Boston Globe and Washington Post.[/QUOTE]

    Lawmakers passed legislation that cut off funding for transferring any of the detainees to the United States for trial or for building and improving detention facilities, effectively axing a plan to acquire a prison in Illinois to house detainees.

    The action pushed the president to change his plans to try some of the high-value prisoners–those tied to the 9/11 plot– in civilian courts. Instead, Obama resorted to military commissions to handle the cases from Guantanamo Bay.

    Congressional restrictions have also made it difficult for the administration to transfer detainees to other countries. And recent legislation mandates all future foreign detainees be held in military detention, although it does provide the president with the authority to waive some provisions. In a signing statement, President Obama indicated he would "reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat."

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