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Thread: Did the NY Times Commit Treason when they Printed National Security Leaks?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4487324]What an absolute waste of bandwidth :rolleyes:

    Fox "News" is the guardian against the government because there is a (D) in office now. When the Bush Administration was in office Fox "News" was the defending angels of the party in power. Here is a quick history lesson on what Fox failed to defend us against;

    [I]George W. Bush is following in the footsteps of his predecessors, but may have left more tracks. For starters, invading another country on false pretenses is grounds for impeachment. Also, the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution essentially says that the people have the right to be secure against unreasonable government searches and seizures and that no search warrants shall be issued without probable cause that a crime has been committed. And the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires that warrants for national security wiretaps be authorized by the secret FISA court. The law says that it is a crime for government officials to conduct electronic surveillance outside the exclusive purviews of that law or the criminal wiretap statute. President Bush’s authorization of the monitoring of Americans’ e-mails and phone calls by the National Security Agency (NSA) without even the minimal protection of FISA court warrants is clearly unconstitutional and illegal. Executive searches without judicial review violate the unique checks and balances that the nation’s founders created in the U.S. government and are a considerable threat to American liberty. Furthermore, surveillance of Americans by the NSA, an intelligence service rather than a law enforcement agency, is a regression to the practices of the Vietnam-era, when intelligence agencies were misused to spy on anti-war protesters—another impeachable violation of peoples’ constitutional rights by LBJ and Nixon.

    President Bush defiantly admits initiating such flagrant domestic spying but contends that the Congress implicitly authorized such activities when it approved the use of force against al Qaeda and that such actions fit within his constitutional powers as commander-in-chief. But the founders never intended core principles of the Constitution to be suspended during wartime. In fact, they realized that it was in times of war and crisis that constitutional protections of the people were most at risk of usurpation by politicians, who purport to defend American freedom while actually undermining it.

    The Bush administration’s FBI has also expanded its use of national security letters to examine the personal records of tens of thousands of Americans who are not suspected of being involved in terrorism or even illegal acts.

    Apparently the president is also taking us back to the Vietnam era by monitoring anti-war protesters. Information on peaceful anti-war demonstrations has apparently found its way into Pentagon databases on possible threats to U.S. security.

    Finally, the president’s policies on detainees in the “war on terror” probably qualify as impeachable offenses. The Bush administration decided that the “war on terror” exempted it from an unambiguous criminal law and international conventions (which are also the law of the land) preventing torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners. An American president permitting torture is both disgraceful and ineffective in getting good information from those held. Furthermore, the administration concocted the fictitious category of “enemy combatants” to deprive detainees of the legal protections of either the U.S. courts or “prisoner-of-war” status. The administration then tried to detain these enemy combatants, some of them American citizens, indefinitely without trial, access to counsel, or the right to have courts to review their cases.

    All of these actions are part of President Bush’s attempt to expand the power of presidency during wartime—as if the imperial presidency hadn’t been expanded enough by his recent predecessors. President Bush usually gets the Attorney General or the White House Counsel to agree with his usurpation of congressional and judicial powers, but, of course, who in the executive is going to disagree with their boss? According to the Washington Post, the Bush administration describes the president’s war making power under the Constitution as “plenary”—meaning absolute. The founders would roll over in their graves at this interpretation of a document that was actually designed to limit the presidential war power, resulting from their revulsion at the way European monarchs easily took their countries to war and foisted the costs—in blood and treasure—on their people. Conservative Bob Barr, a former Congressman from Georgia who was quoted in the Post, said it best: “The American people are going to have to say, ‘Enough of this business of justifying everything as necessary for the war on terror.’ Either the Constitution and the laws of this country mean something or they don’t. It is truly frightening what is going on in this country.”
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    [url]http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1639[/url][/QUOTE]

    This thread is about a potentially damaging NYT article, and you respond with a post about Fox News and Bush.

    This is pathetically embarrassing, even for you. The fact that feign intellectual honesty is an insult to all of us.

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    Where did the leaks come from? Maybe the administration?

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4487854]This thread is about a potentially damaging NYT article, and you respond with a post about Fox News and Bush.

    This is pathetically embarrassing, even for you. The fact that feign intellectual honesty is an insult to all of us.[/QUOTE]

    :rolleyes:

    This thread is, in part, about the first amendment and the role of the media.

    More to your point, I did not initially bring up Fox News in this thread; the topic was brought up to me and I responded.

    I will promise not to feign intellectual honesty if you promise not to feign intellectual honesty.
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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4487854]This thread is about a potentially damaging NYT article...[/QUOTE]

    Wasn't the Times article based off of a book?

    Why aren't we talking about the book and it's author? ;):P

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4487348]So our Democracy was at it's most compromised ever during WWII under (D) President (and Third Term'er) F.D.R.?

    Interesting viewpoint.

    The flip side is that the media exists and enjoys the freedoms and liberties it does because of the United States, and should exist forst and foremost to serve the interests of the people of the United States who, via the Constitution, prove them those rights and freedoms. And that publishing information that then puts the Courty and it's people in real danger is not in the countries interests, and hence should not be done.

    Perhaps part of our problem today is that our media often sees itself are above and more important than the Country that fostered it's very existence and rights. In the rush to publish damaging information first, our own media now serves the interests of our enemies more than our own interests.

    As such, one wonders how the people should then view, and treat, our own media, who in their zeal to win ratings and hurt us to do it, could care less about those same people and the ramifications of their story publishing.[/QUOTE]

    The media serves the people because we are their consumers. The government works for us, not the other way around-[B]we pay them [/B]to do their jobs. In a democracy, the role of the media is not to act as a puppet for the same special interests that control our government.

    There are some legitimate times when, in the interest of national security, information needs to be held, not withheld all together mind you. An example of this was the Cuban Missile Crisis. But far too often powerfully corrupt men have used the excuse of national security to continue illegal acts (watergate) or suppress basic rights and freedoms;

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917[/url]

    This debate is similar, in some regards, to the argument over the UNpatriotic Act. And just like that debate, I offer the following;

    [I]"Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither."[/I]
    -Benjamin Franklin
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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4487880]Wasn't the Times article based off of a book?

    Why aren't we talking about the book and it's author? ;):P[/QUOTE]

    Simply, they don't like the New York Times. Some are too busy reading other sources ;)

    [IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/05/rush.jpg[/IMG]
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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4487880]Wasn't the Times article based off of a book?

    Why aren't we talking about the book and it's author? ;):P[/QUOTE]

    The author is a writer for the Times but the point is one and the same. That reporter revealed national security secrets.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4487859]Where did the leaks come from? Maybe the administration?[/QUOTE]

    Well here is what we know. the article included specific conversations that took place in the Obama situation room. Narrow things down to who was in the room that could have overheard or participated in the discussion and you have our leak.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4487883]The author is a writer for the Times but the point is one and the same. That reporter revealed national security secrets.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe he's Judith Miller's ghost writer? :dunno:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4487882]Simply, the don't like the New York Times. Some are too busy reading other sources ;)

    [IMG]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/05/rush.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    Seriously hopeless. I actually feel bad for you how much you miss out on with the way you process thoughts, because the capability is obviously there.

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    ---breaking news---

    Iran has just launched a full scale cyberattack on Fish's Funny Picture thread. Also included in the attack is Cafemom, CollegeHumor, Netflix and RedTube.

    More to come....


    Sent from my Double-Wide using Semaphore...

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4487891]Seriously hopeless. I actually feel bad for you how much you miss out on with the way you process thoughts, because the capability is obviously there.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor[/url] :cool:

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4487885]Maybe he's Judith Miller's ghost writer? :dunno:[/QUOTE]

    The WH is now investigating the leaks. They hired Dicky C and Scooter as consultants.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4487915]The WH is now investigating the leaks. They hired Dicky C and Scooter as consultants.[/QUOTE]


    Better still. Eric "My People" Holder is doing the investigation.
    [B]He[/B] may very well be the leaker. Or perhaps the Hawaiian is the leaker. Showing he gave orders to demonstrate his great leadership.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4487354]If nothing else this is an example of a disturbing lack of patriotism from the Times. What they did may have been legal but one has to wonder about the morality of printing national security secrets. The items revealed by the Times exposed current assets in the field working to thwart terror attacks. Those assets and their families are not at risk. In addition the American people are at risk. The whole thing is disturbing.

    The evidence of the seriousness is in the fact that even Congressional democrats are calling for an investigation in to the matter.[/QUOTE]

    Patriotism! What a joke. What the fk is patriotism? A term inbred uneducated rednecks use to make themselves feel better about their meaningless existence. Only idiots take pride in their living on land between man made boundaries. Patriotism, hah, what a joke. Almost as stupid as religion.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4487944]Patriotism! What a joke. What the fk is patriotism? A term inbred uneducated rednecks use to make themselves feel better about their meaningless existence. Only idiots take pride in their living on land between man made boundaries. Patriotism, hah, what a joke. Almost as stupid as religion.[/QUOTE]


    I am neither inbred nor a redneck. My education is, without a doubt, infinitely better than yours. I am richer, have better children and a better looking and more intelligent wife (if a woman has chosen to even be with you). My existence to this point has hardly been insignificant and I have influenced in a positive way the live's of many people.
    That said,[B] I AM PATRIOTIC[/B]. AND I DO TAKE PRIDE IN IT.
    You are the joke. As far as religion? We can practice what we believe. People of a lower caliber (perhaps you) can deride. But that is what one can expect from a low class person., Can you be classified as a person?
    kennyo? Does that suggest some sort of affiliation with Kenya? Or perhaps someone with roots in that dump?
    The use of foul abbreviations is all we need know to identify exactly what you are.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4487944]Patriotism! What a joke. What the fk is patriotism? A term inbred uneducated rednecks use to make themselves feel better about their meaningless existence. Only idiots take pride in their living on land between man made boundaries. Patriotism, hah, what a joke. Almost as stupid as religion.[/QUOTE]

    Cuba's calling! they can use your skills!! and no borders, except for that nasty Americano "Navel" (torture chamber) Base

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4487956]I am neither inbred nor a redneck. My education is, without a doubt, infinitely better than yours. I am richer, have better children and a better looking and more intelligent wife (if a woman has chosen to even be with you). My existence to this point has hardly been insignificant and I have influenced in a positive way the live's of many people.
    That said,[B] I AM PATRIOTIC[/B]. AND I DO TAKE PRIDE IN IT.
    You are the joke. As far as religion? We can practice what we believe. People of a lower caliber (perhaps you) can deride. But that is what one can expect from a low class person., Can you be classified as a person?
    kennyo? Does that suggest some sort of affiliation with Kenya? Or perhaps someone with roots in that dump?
    The use of foul abbreviations is all we need know to identify exactly what you are.[/QUOTE]

    Uh, Dr. Skataspanakopeta is a Ken O' Brien (#7) fan.. figures..

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4487944]Patriotism! What a joke. What the fk is patriotism? A term inbred uneducated rednecks use to make themselves feel better about their meaningless existence. Only idiots take pride in their living on land between man made boundaries. Patriotism, hah, what a joke. Almost as stupid as religion.[/QUOTE]

    I'm patriotic.

    I love my secular country. And it's affinity for anything morally degrading. Porn, drugs, rock & roll. Our love with alcohol. Getting f*cked up on the weekends.

    The church-holes have it all wrong. :P It isnt Jesus and merry band of boring people that make this place great. No one comes here to take communion.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4487956]I am neither inbred nor a redneck. My education is, without a doubt, infinitely better than yours. I am richer, have better children and a better looking and more intelligent wife (if a woman has chosen to even be with you). My existence to this point has hardly been insignificant and I have influenced in a positive way the live's of many people.
    That said,[B] I AM PATRIOTIC[/B]. AND I DO TAKE PRIDE IN IT.
    You are the joke. As far as religion? We can practice what we believe. People of a lower caliber (perhaps you) can deride. But that is what one can expect from a low class person., Can you be classified as a person?
    kennyo? Does that suggest some sort of affiliation with Kenya? Or perhaps someone with roots in that dump?
    The use of foul abbreviations is all we need know to identify exactly what you are.[/QUOTE]

    You forgot to mention that you are faster, stronger, and better in bed, lol!
    Amazing how great you can be on a message board, isnt it?
    Your response tells me all i neef to know about you. You are a cartoon character.


    What makes you so patriotic

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