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    S heyer will he win a starting guard position

    with the Jets. I don't think he has a shot at RT but If Jets play him inside I think he fits exactly the type of offense lineman Sparano wants to make up his oline . Here is his some video of him starting at LG versus the Chargers.

    [url]http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/?p=1437[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Raider9175;4493196]with the Jets. I don't think he has a shot at RT but If Jets play him inside I think he fits exactly the type of offense lineman Sparano wants to make up his oline . Here is his some video of him starting at LG versus the Chargers.

    [url]http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/?p=1437[/url][/QUOTE]

    Thanks, good stuff

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    The dude is big, strong and occupies a lot of real estate on the o line. Looks a lot bigger than Slaussen.

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    Raider...

    Thank you for this outstanding thread!!!

    You made some very excellent football points here!!!

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    Unless the shoulder injury really put Slauson behind, I don't see him losing the starting job opening day.

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    [QUOTE=k.Rhodes25;4493273]Unless the shoulder injury really put Slauson behind, I don't see him losing the starting job opening day.[/QUOTE]

    If Slauson is healthy he's the starter. But that's a big "if". Slauson had major surgery on his shoulder. I speculate there's at least some chance that he won't be ready for opening day.

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    ok, so he appears to be good inside, but where is he when it comes to pulling either right or left. Show me the video tape!

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    We still need a permanent answer at RT!

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    [QUOTE=hatnlvr;4493546]We still need a permanent answer at RT![/QUOTE]

    There will never be a permanent answer at every position on the team at the same time.

    Yet fans continue to complain when there isn't... :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4493555]There will never be a permanent answer at every position on the team at the same time.

    Yet fans continue to complain when there isn't... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    So we should accept having a question mark at RT for the 2nd consecutive season?

    Just suck it up people and keep your mouths shut.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4493567]So we should accept having a question mark at RT for the 2nd consecutive season?

    Just suck it up people and keep your mouths shut.[/QUOTE]

    You totally ignored his post.

    Would you rather not have Coples? Hill? Is there a specific RT you wanted us to get? Or is this like the hypothetical safety you wish we waited for some point down the line?

    Yes, it's easy to say we have to solve the RT problem. But our first three draft picks targeted three weak areas, and I don't see how you could ask for anything more (yet still Jet fans choose to) . . .

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4493567]So we should accept having a question mark at RT for the 2nd consecutive season?

    Just suck it up people and keep your mouths shut.[/QUOTE]

    No, fans should understand that not every position and player will be perfect, and accept that every team has holes. Hunter gets far too much flak from the fans than he deserves, the player and supposed position troubles have been beaten like a dead horse, when the player is far from as bad as some make him out to be.

    It's also not the 2nd consecutive season, there was no question mark when Hunter took over the starting RT role when Woody went down in 2010.

    When fans ***** about Hunter, they do so ignorantly IMO, and don't take an aggregate enough of a perspective to the work that the front office has done with the team. They all ***** about RT, but nobody wants to understand the team is happy enough with the performance and abilities of Hunter as well as the talent behind him and potential of some of those same players behind him to address other areas of the team.
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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4493590][B]You totally ignored his post.[/B]

    Would you rather not have Coples? Hill? Is there a specific RT you wanted us to get? Or is this like the hypothetical safety you wish we waited for some point down the line?

    Yes, it's easy to say we have to solve the RT problem. But our first three draft picks targeted three weak areas, and I don't see how you could ask for anything more (yet still Jet fans choose to) . . .[/QUOTE]

    heh heh

    Not the first time.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4493590]You totally ignored his post.

    Would you rather not have Coples? Hill? Is there a specific RT you wanted us to get? Or is this like the hypothetical safety you wish we waited for some point down the line?

    Yes, it's easy to say we have to solve the RT problem. But our first three draft picks targeted three weak areas, and I don't see how you could ask for anything more (yet still Jet fans choose to) . . .[/QUOTE]
    All of that was in his post? Wow. :rolleyes:

    So you're saying we should be satisfied with a subpar RT position? That as fans we should accept another season of crappy RT play?

    And we can't voice our concerns?

    Oh I see. Thank you for setting the board parameters.

    By the way, there are camp cuts. Trades are still allowed too.

    Whatever it takes to improve that position is warranted. Otherwise, Sanchez will be running for his life...again.

    If that person is on the roster right now. Great. But accepting mediocrity is...well...unacceptable.
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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4493595]No, fans should understand that not every position and player will be perfect[/QUOTE]

    Who ever said anything about perfection?

    Typical Ray Ray. Making a mountain out of a molehill with exaggeration.

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4493605]All of that was in his post? Wow. :rolleyes:

    So you're saying we should be satisfied with a subpar RT position? That as fans we should accept another season of crappy RT play?

    And we can't voice our concerns?

    Oh I see. Thank you for setting the board parameters.

    By the way, there are camp cuts. Trades are still allowed too.

    Whatever it takes to improve that position is warranted. Otherwise, Sanchez will be running for his life...again.

    If that person is on the roster right now. Great. But accepting mediocrity is...well...unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

    +1
    Every position doesn't have to have a pro-bowl player playing it but what Hunter did last season was just disgusting! Cutting Woody and putting that revolving door there was just a bad idea (granted he was not suppose to be the starter and got promoted via season ending injury) but to come into this season with him slated as the starter is just a bad idea.

    I'm hoping that the Jets comb the waiver wire for a veteran plug in at the position and put Hunter back into the position he belongs at (a backup)

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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4493606]Who ever said anything about perfection?

    Typical Ray Ray. Making a mountain out of a molehill with exaggeration.[/QUOTE]

    Say's the jackass who spun one of my posts as meaning "fans should suck it up and keep their mouths shut" :rolleyes:

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    I'm not confident in Hunter's ability to become a solid pass protector myself, but who's to say that our entire coaching staff doesn't know/see somethig in regards to Hunter, that we as posters, have no knowledge to? Who are we to sit here and say that, due to Hunter's season last year, that 2011's performance will define the rest of his career? There is a such thing as a learning curve, especially for offensive lineman as first year starters.

    Offensive lineman learn the hard way once they reach the NFL level, and they learn from mistakes. Ferguson was horrendous at times as a first year starter during his rookie season of 2006. The Aaron Schobel's of the world were taking Ferguson to school on a consistent basis, beating him to the quarterback like a red headed step child. But you know what? Ferguson had a chance to learn from those mistakes. He corrected his mistakes during offseasons to follow, and has now became/developed into an all-pro type of franchise LT in regards to his ability in pass protection. He's even improved in regards to run blocking, which is something that plenty of critics/naysayers said would never be possible. Now, we all know that Ferguson was a blue chip prospect coming out of college, but we're not asking for Hunter to become a blue chip type of RT, now are we? No, we're only asking for him to become a productive/serviceable pass protector. That he can become. All of those mistakes that Hunter made last year, some were even unexplainable/atrocious mistakes, but those clueless mistakes could end up becoming a blessing in disguise heading into our up coming season.

    Hunter was thrown into the fire as a first year starter at the RT position. He attempted to learn on the fly, failed, and committed a lot of bone headed penalties/mistakes while doing so. But who's to say (other than the coaching staff) that he hasn't had a chance to learn from those mistakes by watching film over the offseason, studying, working out, while mentally preparing himself (for the grind) as a starter heading into the season? Who's to say that he hasn't corrected some of those flaws? Who's to say that last years version of Hunter, as a first year starter, is the finished product?

    As a 2nd year starter heading into the season, he hasn't been thrown into the fire this year. He knows exactly what to expect. Chances are (if he wants to become successful), he's physically and mentally prepared himself for the grind of an NFL season (as a starter). Who's to say that last year wasn't an experience to build off of for Hunter? Who are we to say that there's no such thing as a learning curve?

    He'll never become an all-pro tackle. But he did gain plenty of experience last season. And as football fans, we can never take experience with a grain of salt. It means something, and if our coaching staff, heading into the season feels that Hunter can man the RT position? That's good enough for me until proven otherwise. We've (as a franchise) invested a lot of money into a potential franchise quarterback in Mark Sanchez. We've upgraded over an aging Burress with a 6'5 speed burning Hill during the 2nd round. We've replaced a used up L.T with a dynamic/developing athlete in McKnight as our backup RB. We started to re-vamp our defensive line last year with the additions of Wilkerson/Ellis and just solidified our defensive front with the addition of Coples during the first round. We knew we had a safety problem in Leonhard/Smith so we went out and signed Yeremiah Bell along with a low risk/high reward type of athlete in LaRon Landry. We needed an increase in speed in regards to our linebackers, so dating back to last season we've added Aaron Maybin, followed by a drafting of Demario Davis during the 3rd round. Now, speaking of an MLB such as Demario Davis, don't you believe that our coaching staff would have went after the highest ranked offensive lineman/tackle during the 3rd round, instead of going after a backup LB, especially if they thought that Wayne Hunter was a finished product?

    We've attempted to improve each and every position during the offseason with either A.) Our own talents, B.) Through Free Agency or C.) During the draft. The fact that our owner, GM and coaching staff have all left the RT position alone, despite the fact that we've invested a lot of money into Mark Sanchez speaks volumes in itself. They must believe in Hunter's ability to improve upon last season. It's either that, or, they feel we already have someone on the roster capable of filling his shoes.
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    [QUOTE=Jordy;4493606]Who ever said anything about perfection?

    Typical Ray Ray. Making a mountain out of a molehill with exaggeration.[/QUOTE]

    Actually he's making perfect sense and it seems like you're arguing just to argue, without making a single point.

    Every question mark was not going to be addressed and fixed with one draft and limited FA help due to the cap stability.

    Most of us knew this before the offseason started.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4493590]You totally ignored his post.

    Would you rather not have Coples? Hill? Is there a specific RT you wanted us to get? Or is this like the hypothetical safety you wish we waited for some point down the line?

    Yes, it's easy to say we have to solve the RT problem. But our first three draft picks targeted three weak areas, and I don't see how you could ask for anything more (yet still Jet fans choose to) . . .[/QUOTE]

    Not for nothing, but I'd trade in Landry for Eric Winston in a f*cking heartbeat.

    And I like Landry.

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