Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 22

Thread: NYJ: Half Empty, Part II

  1. #1
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The Big Green Apple
    Posts
    1,252

    NYJ: Half Empty, Part II

    After writing up the Jets in part I with glazed over green eyes, my schizophenic other half is fully ready to rebound with a dose of reality. Of course, I'd love to live in a world of delusion and fantasize about the Jets winning it all this season, but like always the sledgehammer of gangreen mediocrity will strike at some point so I might as well temper the blow now.

    So let me start off by saying this Jet's team is still a very average team despite their off-season moves. Somehow, like winning consecutive lotteries, this organization and coaching staff think they are going to plug in rookies, unproven players and aging veterans and transform this team into a superbowl contender.

    Let's look at the [B]defense[/B].

    How much can they expect from the rookies Quinton Coples and Demario Davis? An unproven player in Kenrick Ellis? A rehabbing Bryan Thomas? An aging Bart Scott in his last year? An old Yeremiah Bell playing for the first time in this defense? An oft injured and still rehabbing LaRon Landry also playing in this defense for the first time?

    Outside of Darrelle Revis and Mo Wilkerson, there's not much to be impressed with. Coples and Ellis won't make the DL much better this year. The linebackers might even take a step back with the age and injuries they're dealing with. Speaking of linebackers, Aaron Maybin's a complete joke. if not for the great coverage of our defensive backs he'd be cut already. And the safeties may struggle in this scheme, like Brodney Pool did when he joined the team.

    Nonetheless, it is a solid defense, but overall I don't see this group being better then what they were last year. I fully expect they'll continue to have difficulty rushing the passer and covering the middle of the field.

    On the [B]offensive side[/B] of the ball, I'm actually a little worried.

    You can spin the ground and pound anyway you want, but the bottom line is they're trying to take the ball out of Mark Sanchez's hands. That tells me all I need to know about our "franchise" QB. If Sanchez can get on the same page as his receivers, which always seems harder than usual for a Jets QB, then maybe he can manage the passing game with limited turnovers.

    As skeptical as I am in Sanchez being able to read defenses correctly, get on the same page as his receivers, throw a 60% completion rate and a 2:1 touchdown to interception ratio, I'm even more skeptical in the ground and pound.

    At best Shonn Greene is an average back who needs a good offensive line to succeed. Unfortunately, the Jets didn't do anything to improve the OL from its poor performance last year. Will Wayne Hunter even make it to the bye week as a starter at RT? Do the Jets have a replacement for him? If Vlad Ducasse isn't even in the discussion to start at RT over Wayne Hunter what does that tell you about Vlad Ducasse? Can the Jets find a good blocking TE still who can learn the offense and not kill drives with dumb penalties?

    Behind Shonn Greene there's Joe McKnight who is largely unproven and doesn't exactly instill confidence in me to replace the role of LaDainian Tomlinson. Tim Tebow might be the best RB on the team right now.

    When I look at this offense I think this team won't be going very far. I see a very average offense unable to score many points that will need gimmick plays to add a spark every week. Couple that with an exploitable defense and even if by virtue of an easy schedule they make the playoffs don't expect a repeat of '09 and '10.

    Now that I'm depressed over this team I need to cheer myself up by reading part I again. ;)

  2. #2
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Boynton Beach, FL
    Posts
    8,999
    [QUOTE]Aaron Maybin's a complete joke. [/QUOTE]

    This is where you took it a bit too far. He was the only guy on our team able to get near the qb last year. He played real well and I would not call him a joke.

  3. #3
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The Big Green Apple
    Posts
    1,252
    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;4494358]This is where you took it a bit too far. He was the only guy on our team able to get near the qb last year. He played real well and I would not call him a joke.[/QUOTE]

    give him about 8 seconds a play and he'll be a sack machine.

  4. #4
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494362]give him about 8 seconds a play and he'll be a sack machine.[/QUOTE]

    He was getting double teamed towards the end of last year and still getting pressures. He also made god strides on different types of moves. He is far, far from a joke. He could be a breakout player this year.

    Coples will help the DL this year.

    We do still suck at safety though. Expect a bunch of third and long conversions against our safeties

  5. #5
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The Big Green Apple
    Posts
    1,252
    [QUOTE=johnnysd;4494377]He was getting double teamed towards the end of last year and still getting pressures. He also made god strides on different types of moves. He is far, far from a joke. He could be a breakout player this year.

    Coples will help the DL this year.

    We do still suck at safety though. Expect a bunch of third and long conversions against our safeties[/QUOTE]

    i heard maybin himself thank the secondary for his sacks and it's true. he over runs every pass rush. he's underweight. his "moves" don't work. he is relentless tho. he could be a breakout player this year. i could also win the lottery this year.

  6. #6
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Boynton Beach, FL
    Posts
    8,999
    [QUOTE]he's underweight. [/QUOTE]

    Not anymore. he put on weight this offseason and is linebacker size now.

  7. #7
    Hall Of Fame
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Location
    Manalapan, NJ/Boca Raton, Fl
    Posts
    15,569
    So in part 1 you go over the top on the positive side and in part 2 you go i the opposite direction.

    We could do this for every team, but what would be the real point?

  8. #8
    Maybin's sack ratio to his number of plays was ridiculously good. Doesn't matter if the coverage helped, nobody else in the league came close to matching Maybin's ratio. That is a fact. Maybin being called a joke isn't even a "half-empty" approach, it's an empty glass description

  9. #9
    Bewildered Beast
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    SF via Strong Island
    Posts
    30,766
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494362]give him about 8 seconds a play and he'll be a sack machine.[/QUOTE]

    But...that's Rex's defense to a T. (I get the pessimistic "outrage"; half-empty yada yada yada).

  10. #10
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Oceanside, Long Island
    Posts
    10,781
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494349]After writing up the Jets in part I with glazed over green eyes, my schizophenic other half is fully ready to rebound with a dose of reality. Of course, I'd love to live in a world of delusion and fantasize about the Jets winning it all this season, but like always the sledgehammer of gangreen mediocrity will strike at some point so I might as well temper the blow now.

    So let me start off by saying this Jet's team is still a very average team despite their off-season moves. Somehow, like winning consecutive lotteries, this organization and coaching staff think they are going to plug in rookies, unproven players and aging veterans and transform this team into a superbowl contender.

    Let's look at the [B]defense[/B].

    How much can they expect from the rookies Quinton Coples and Demario Davis? An unproven player in Kenrick Ellis? A rehabbing Bryan Thomas? An aging Bart Scott in his last year? An old Yeremiah Bell playing for the first time in this defense? An oft injured and still rehabbing LaRon Landry also playing in this defense for the first time?

    Outside of Darrelle Revis and Mo Wilkerson, there's not much to be impressed with. Coples and Ellis won't make the DL much better this year. The linebackers might even take a step back with the age and injuries they're dealing with. Speaking of linebackers, Aaron Maybin's a complete joke. if not for the great coverage of our defensive backs he'd be cut already. And the safeties may struggle in this scheme, like Brodney Pool did when he joined the team.

    Nonetheless, it is a solid defense, but overall I don't see this group being better then what they were last year. I fully expect they'll continue to have difficulty rushing the passer and covering the middle of the field.

    On the [B]offensive side[/B] of the ball, I'm actually a little worried.

    You can spin the ground and pound anyway you want, but the bottom line is they're trying to take the ball out of Mark Sanchez's hands. That tells me all I need to know about our "franchise" QB. If Sanchez can get on the same page as his receivers, which always seems harder than usual for a Jets QB, then maybe he can manage the passing game with limited turnovers.

    As skeptical as I am in Sanchez being able to read defenses correctly, get on the same page as his receivers, throw a 60% completion rate and a 2:1 touchdown to interception ratio, I'm even more skeptical in the ground and pound.

    At best Shonn Greene is an average back who needs a good offensive line to succeed. Unfortunately, the Jets didn't do anything to improve the OL from its poor performance last year. Will Wayne Hunter even make it to the bye week as a starter at RT? Do the Jets have a replacement for him? If Vlad Ducasse isn't even in the discussion to start at RT over Wayne Hunter what does that tell you about Vlad Ducasse? Can the Jets find a good blocking TE still who can learn the offense and not kill drives with dumb penalties?

    Behind Shonn Greene there's Joe McKnight who is largely unproven and doesn't exactly instill confidence in me to replace the role of LaDainian Tomlinson. Tim Tebow might be the best RB on the team right now.

    When I look at this offense I think this team won't be going very far. I see a very average offense unable to score many points that will need gimmick plays to add a spark every week. Couple that with an exploitable defense and even if by virtue of an easy schedule they make the playoffs don't expect a repeat of '09 and '10.

    Now that I'm depressed over this team I need to cheer myself up by reading part I again. ;)[/QUOTE]
    Greene is a little bit better than your characterization here. The only problem with Greene (and it is a huge one) is that he is not durable enough to be a one man bulldozer yet he plays like he is one. Hence he is always dinged up. When healthy he is fine. More than fine actually.

    McKnight.... Pfft... Well now it is is 3rd year and LT is gone so no excuses this year. Time to actually do something or admit you are nothing more than a marginal player who is keeping a roster sport because of your special teams contributions.

  11. #11
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494394]i heard maybin himself thank the secondary for his sacks and it's true. he over runs every pass rush. he's underweight. his "moves" don't work. he is relentless tho. he could be a breakout player this year. i could also win the lottery this year.[/QUOTE]

    Appreciate your write up, but you aren't very informed. Calling Maybin a "complete joke" is a complete joke. As for him being undersized, you apparently dont know that he is now up to almost 255.

    Once I read this, I stopped reading. Calling this years defensive squad not much better than last year, with the moves the team made in FA and especially the draft is pretty comical.

    Sorry you ruined some street cred with this post.

  12. #12
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The Big Green Apple
    Posts
    1,252
    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4494467]Appreciate your write up, but you aren't very informed. Calling Maybin a "complete joke" is a complete joke. As for him being undersized, you apparently dont know that he is now up to almost 255.

    Once I read this, I stopped reading. Calling this years defensive squad not much better than last year, with the moves the team made in FA and especially the draft is pretty comical.

    Sorry you ruined some street cred with this post.[/QUOTE]

    wow maybin's at 255! he's really bulked up now. :rolleyes:

    and if you think the defense will be better this year then it was last year it's pure speculation. the only player who is an improvement over last year is mo wilkerson. the rest of the players who knows. thomas, pace and scott may even be in decline from previous years.

  13. #13
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Hawthorne NJ
    Posts
    7,977
    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4494399]So in part 1 you go over the top on the positive side and in part 2 you go i the opposite direction.

    We could do this for every team, but what would be the real point?[/QUOTE]

    Why don't you try and write one reality based next? Just a thought.

  14. #14
    Hall Of Fame
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Location
    Manalapan, NJ/Boca Raton, Fl
    Posts
    15,569
    [QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4494629]Why don't you try and write one reality based next? Just a thought.[/QUOTE]

    Why don't you try making sense.

    Not getting your point. Reality based? Really? Try and explain where what i wrote missed the mark?

    Or better yet GFY

  15. #15
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The Big Green Apple
    Posts
    1,252
    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4494638]Why don't you try making sense.

    Not getting your point. Reality based? Really? Try and explain where what i wrote missed the mark?

    Or better yet GFY[/QUOTE]

    he probably meant his comment for me, so don't sweat it. the reality is that there is no reality until they play the games. so you can look at it anyway you want. right now it's just a lot of speculation.

  16. #16
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Hawthorne NJ
    Posts
    7,977
    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;4494638]Why don't you try making sense.

    Not getting your point. Reality based? Really? Try and explain where what i wrote missed the mark?

    Or better yet GFY[/QUOTE]

    Yes I was agreeing with you btw. He made one overly optimistic, then one pessimistic, and I thought maybe he could make one objective one and be done with it. I thought that was pretty clear.

  17. #17
    [QUOTE=EM31;4494432]Greene is a little bit better than your characterization here. The only problem with Greene (and it is a huge one) is that he is not durable enough to be a one man bulldozer yet he plays like he is one. Hence he is always dinged up. When healthy he is fine. More than fine actually.

    McKnight.... Pfft... Well now it is is 3rd year and LT is gone so no excuses this year. Time to actually do something or admit you are nothing more than a marginal player who is keeping a roster sport because of your special teams contributions.[/QUOTE]

    When was the last time greene missed a game due to injury?

    The only issue with greene is that he has faced 8 or 9 men in the box for the past 2 seasons. He isn't chris johnson but he also should have an excellent year now that defenses have to defend more then 7 yards of field.

  18. #18
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    8,650
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494617]wow maybin's at 255! he's really bulked up now. :rolleyes:

    and if you think the defense will be better this year then it was last year it's pure speculation. the only player who is an improvement over last year is mo wilkerson. the rest of the players who knows. thomas, pace and scott may even be in decline from previous years.[/QUOTE]

    2 things.

    1: while half of maybin's sacks came from him being relentless and not giving up on the play, the rest of the team still wasn't getting sacks as he led the team in the stat IN a limited role.

    and 2: yes, thinking the defense will be better this upcoming year is speculation. but unfortunately, so is thinking the defense will be the same, or thinking the defense will be worse. it's ALL speculation, so to blow off a comment with that response is completely hypocritical.

  19. #19
    [QUOTE=rick34125;4494617]wow maybin's at 255! he's really bulked up now. :rolleyes:

    and if you think the defense will be better this year then it was last year it's pure speculation. the only player who is an improvement over last year is mo wilkerson. the rest of the players who knows. thomas, pace and scott may even be in decline from previous years.[/QUOTE]

    Landry, Bell, Coples, Davis, Maybin, Sapp, and the anticipated improvements of the Wilkerson, Ellis, and Wilson could be huge.

    More talent and a lot of speed. Scott is down 15-20 lbs from last year, he's still just 31, he could easily have a bounce back season. Pace is just 31, he is still a player in his prime.

    I was being nice, your post is crap.

  20. #20
    Jets Insider VIP
    Board Moderator

    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    27,317
    How can anyone not be excited about this year's defense? :confused: I don't think Rex has ever had one rank below 5th and he's basically back to running that unit this year after handing it off to Pettine last season. Lots of depth, lots of young talented players, Revis in his prime....

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us