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    Decoding US-Russian body language in Mexico

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    President Barack Obama shakes hands with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in a bilateral meeting during the G20 Summit, Monday, June 18, 2012, in Los Cabos, Mexico. Photo: Carolyn Kaster / AP


    LOS CABOS, Mexico (AP) — It's hard to tell if President Barack Obama got a sense of Russian President Vladimir Putin's soul. In front of reporters, they hardly looked at each other.

    In their first meeting since 2009, Obama and Putin shared little eye contact and did not appear to express much personal warmth following a two-hour meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit. Putin made brief remarks and then looked down at the table as Obama spoke to reporters, aided by a translator.
    The gathering had a much different feel compared with President George W. Bush's first meeting with Putin in Slovenia in June 2001. Bush said then that he was "able to get a sense of his soul."

    Yet aides said the media shouldn't draw any conclusions from the chilly body language. They said the meeting wouldn't have lasted as long as it did if the two leaders didn't get along.

    Mike McFaul, the U.S. ambassador to Russia, said the chemistry between Obama and Putin was "very businesslike" and "cordial." McFaul added that there was nothing extraordinary about the exchange. "That's just the way he looks, that's just the way he acts," McFaul said of Putin.

    Said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser: "This isn't the first body language-gate we've had with the Russians." Rhodes noted that the White House had faced similar questions before but said these were "businesslike conversations" between the two leaders and cautioned against trying to decode body language.

    Later, the two leaders were all smiles after Obama sat down for the start of the summit. With Putin seated to his right, Obama gave the Russian president a quick "thumbs up" and then slid his chair over to share a few words. Obama's face lit up with a big smile and Putin grinned as they separated and the meeting began.
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    Obama and Putin both want to meet in each other's country — whether they will is anyone's guess.

    Putin ended his brief remarks before reporters with an invitation for Obama to visit Moscow. Obama, who faces voters in five months, made a similar offer.
    "I look forward to visiting Russia again, and I look forward to hosting you in the United States," Obama said.

    The U.S. president has already nixed plans to attend the APEC summit in Vladivostok, Russia, in September because of his re-election campaign.
    During a March national security summit in Seoul, South Korea, Obama accepted an invitation from outgoing President Dmitry Medvedev to visit St. Petersburg, Russia. Obama said he planned to make the trip after the 2012 campaign. But if he loses re-election, it's unclear if that meeting will take place.
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    The G20 summit's main websites — [url]www.g20.org[/url] and [url]www.g20mexico.org[/url] — were down through much of Monday afternoon, apparent victims of hackers protesting the international economic conference.

    The hacker group Anonymous Hispano took credit for paralyzing the online sites. At around 3 p.m., Los Cabos time, Anonymous Hispano tweeted "Only minutes to begin (hash)OpG20." Minutes later, the group followed with another tweet about the G20, "they are responsible in great measure for the poverty of the world." A flurry of other tweets touting the site problems followed. Several Anonymous-related groups have paralyzed the websites of the Brazilian, Russian and other governments.

    Mexico's Foreign Relations Ministry, which runs the G20 site, declined comment on the matter.

    A blog entry signed by the group condemned what it said is the enormous expense of holding such summits.

    "We need changes in economic policy that benefit the majority in fields such as education, health and farm aid," the blog text reads.
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    Associated Press writer Jack Chang contributed to this article.

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    I doubt they have any respect for each other.
    Putin is murdering monster. And Obama is an incompetent weakling.
    Each knows exactly what the other is.

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    Speaking of Russia:

    Iran, Russia, China, Syria plan 'largest' war game' By JOANNA PARASZCZUK06/19/2012 15:20

    Syrian, Iranian media reports say air, ground and naval forces to conduct "Middle East's largest ever military exercise."

    Iranian media outlets reported on Tuesday that Iran, Russia, China and Syria are to conduct joint military exercises in Syria next month.

    The semi-official Fars News outlet, which has ties to the Iranian government, cited "certain unofficial sources" in its report but did not say what those sources were.


    The report appears to have originated on Arabic language Syrian media outlet ShamLife, which said the war-games were scheduled in less than a month's time.

    Other Iranian media outlets, including the Revolutionary Guards-linked Mashregh News and Mehr News, which is owned by the Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization, also carried the same report on Tuesday, but did not cite any Iranian official sources confirming it.

    Fars admitted that there has as yet been no official announcement confirming the war-games, but cited an unnamed Syrian official had declared that a joint exercise between those four countries would be carried out "soon".

    Preparations for those exercises would be carried out in the next few days, Fars quoted "informed sources" as saying, adding that the exercises would involve ground troops, air forces and naval forces.

    Meanwhile, the ShamLife report said "sources" had confirmed previous leaks about the wargames, and that preparations for the military exercise were being carried out at an "accelerated pace".

    According to ShamLife, China had gained Egyptian approval to allow 12 Chinese ships carrying military equipment to pass through the Suez Canal, and that these vessels would reach the Syrian ports of Tartous and Latakia in two weeks' time.

    ShamLife said Syrian air defense missiles and its coastal defense would be put to the test in the military exercises, and that 90,000 troops from the four countries would be involved in the war games along with 400 aircraft and 1,000 tanks and "hundreds of rockets."

    The exercises would be carried out after Syrian troops had "cleansed" several cities where "armed groups" - meaning Syrian opposition forces fighting against government troops loyal to President Bashar Assad - were gathering.

    The Syrian opposition has frequently accused the Iranian regime of supporting Assad and providing his forces with material and equipment to suppress the revolution.

    Meanwhile, Fars added in its report that no official sources from Syria, Russia, China or Iran had confirmed the war games would take place.

    Fars also noted that in addition to the Chinese ships, Russian nuclear submarines and warships would also sail to Syria.

    Meanwhile, on Tuesday, Russian media said Russian naval officials denied reports that its Black Sea Fleet ship, the Caesar Kunikov (BDK 64), a military landing craft home-ported in Sevastopol, had set sail for Syria.

    RIA Novosti cited an unnamed Black Fleet officer as saying the Kunikov set sail for a routine test at a training base and was not headed to the Mediterranean.

    According to RIA Novosti the same Fleet commander also dismissed reports in the Ukrainian and Western media reports that another Black Sea amphibious ship was headed to Syria carrying weapons and marines.

    The commander said Western reports that Alligator class landing ship Nikolay Filichenkov was heading for the Syrian port of Tartous were false.

    Tartous is home to a Cold War-era Russian naval supply and maintenance base, which was established in 1971 and still staffed by Russian naval personnel.

    In July 2009, RIA Novosti reported that the Russian Navy planned to expand and modernize its Tartous base, the only Russian foothold in the Mediterranean.

    Also on Tuesday, the BBC reported that the UK had stopped a cargo vessel off the western coast of Scotland allegedly transporting Russian-made refurbished attack helicopters to Syria. British marine insurer the Standard Club canceled cover to the MV Alaed's owners after UK security services warned that the company would breach EU sanctions if it insured a ship carrying arms to Syria, according to the UK's Daily Telegraph.

    Last week, the US accused Russia of sending attack helicopters to Syria to support Assad's regime, which Russia denied.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4495070]I doubt they have any respect for each other.
    Putin is murdering monster. [B] And Obama is an incompetent weakling.[/B]
    Each knows exactly what the other is.[/QUOTE]

    Hard to say where you get your facts from (FOX Noise Channel?). Obama is not Bush and here is a testament to that:

    [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Bin_laden_image_2.png/220px-Bin_laden_image_2.png&sa=X&ei=LJngT_nsLIvH6AGO0ZR_&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH9m7METCZr8y5tg9YZe17tPjE82Q[/IMG]

    More AQ killed under President Obama than Bush in much less time

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495119]Speaking of Russia:

    Iran, Russia, China, Syria plan 'largest' war game' By JOANNA PARASZCZUK06/19/2012 15:20

    Syrian, Iranian media reports say air, ground and naval forces to conduct "Middle East's largest ever military exercise."

    Iranian media outlets reported on Tuesday that Iran, Russia, China and Syria are to conduct joint military exercises in Syria next month.

    The semi-official Fars News outlet, which has ties to the Iranian government, cited "certain unofficial sources" in its report but did not say what those sources were.


    The report appears to have originated on Arabic language Syrian media outlet ShamLife, which said the war-games were scheduled in less than a month's time.

    Other Iranian media outlets, including the Revolutionary Guards-linked Mashregh News and Mehr News, which is owned by the Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization, also carried the same report on Tuesday, but did not cite any Iranian official sources confirming it.

    Fars admitted that there has as yet been no official announcement confirming the war-games, but cited an unnamed Syrian official had declared that a joint exercise between those four countries would be carried out "soon".

    Preparations for those exercises would be carried out in the next few days, Fars quoted "informed sources" as saying, adding that the exercises would involve ground troops, air forces and naval forces.

    Meanwhile, the ShamLife report said "sources" had confirmed previous leaks about the wargames, and that preparations for the military exercise were being carried out at an "accelerated pace".

    According to ShamLife, China had gained Egyptian approval to allow 12 Chinese ships carrying military equipment to pass through the Suez Canal, and that these vessels would reach the Syrian ports of Tartous and Latakia in two weeks' time.

    ShamLife said Syrian air defense missiles and its coastal defense would be put to the test in the military exercises, and that 90,000 troops from the four countries would be involved in the war games along with 400 aircraft and 1,000 tanks and "hundreds of rockets."

    The exercises would be carried out after Syrian troops had "cleansed" several cities where "armed groups" - meaning Syrian opposition forces fighting against government troops loyal to President Bashar Assad - were gathering.

    The Syrian opposition has frequently accused the Iranian regime of supporting Assad and providing his forces with material and equipment to suppress the revolution.

    Meanwhile, Fars added in its report that no official sources from Syria, Russia, China or Iran had confirmed the war games would take place.

    Fars also noted that in addition to the Chinese ships, Russian nuclear submarines and warships would also sail to Syria.

    Meanwhile, on Tuesday, Russian media said Russian naval officials denied reports that its Black Sea Fleet ship, the Caesar Kunikov (BDK 64), a military landing craft home-ported in Sevastopol, had set sail for Syria.

    RIA Novosti cited an unnamed Black Fleet officer as saying the Kunikov set sail for a routine test at a training base and was not headed to the Mediterranean.

    According to RIA Novosti the same Fleet commander also dismissed reports in the Ukrainian and Western media reports that another Black Sea amphibious ship was headed to Syria carrying weapons and marines.

    The commander said Western reports that Alligator class landing ship Nikolay Filichenkov was heading for the Syrian port of Tartous were false.

    Tartous is home to a Cold War-era Russian naval supply and maintenance base, which was established in 1971 and still staffed by Russian naval personnel.

    In July 2009, RIA Novosti reported that the Russian Navy planned to expand and modernize its Tartous base, the only Russian foothold in the Mediterranean.

    Also on Tuesday, the BBC reported that the UK had stopped a cargo vessel off the western coast of Scotland allegedly transporting Russian-made refurbished attack helicopters to Syria. British marine insurer the Standard Club canceled cover to the MV Alaed's owners after UK security services warned that the company would breach EU sanctions if it insured a ship carrying arms to Syria, according to the UK's Daily Telegraph.

    Last week, the US accused Russia of sending attack helicopters to Syria to support Assad's regime, which Russia denied.[/QUOTE]

    If (when) Syria falls, Russia and China will have only one way to the waters of the MENA, Iran. They will be desperate. Iran wants to build nuclear power so that they can sell more oil to China and Russia.

    No way will Russia and China build a pipeline thru AG, too much risk. So when Syria falls this thing will heat up even more.

    Buckle your chin straps!!!!!!!!!!!

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495198]Hard to say where you get your facts from (FOX Noise Channel?). Obama is not Bush and here is a testament to that:

    [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Bin_laden_image_2.png/220px-Bin_laden_image_2.png&sa=X&ei=LJngT_nsLIvH6AGO0ZR_&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH9m7METCZr8y5tg9YZe17tPjE82Q[/IMG]

    More AQ killed under President Obama than Bush in much less time[/QUOTE]

    HE had nothing to do with it. The teams found OBL and killed him. ALL Obama did was say ok.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495204]If (when) Syria falls, Russia and China will have only one way to the waters of the MENA, Iran. They will be desperate. Iran wants to build nuclear power so that they can sell more oil to China and Russia.

    No way will Russia and China build a pipeline thru AG, too much risk. So when Syria falls this thing will heat up even more.

    Buckle your chin straps!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

    Russia is a net exporter of Oil. Also Iran wants nuclear weapons so they can operate with impunity in their quest to dominate the Middle East, wipe out Israel and create an Islamic Caliphate.

    I'm not sure but I think this move by China and Russia is part of a pattern where they tend to back up countries on Americas "bad side". For me it's another piece of evidence that those two powerful countries are not allies to the US. They are not enemies either at the moment but I see them as adversaries.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495198]Hard to say where you get your facts from (FOX Noise Channel?). Obama is not Bush and here is a testament to that:

    [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Bin_laden_image_2.png/220px-Bin_laden_image_2.png&sa=X&ei=LJngT_nsLIvH6AGO0ZR_&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH9m7METCZr8y5tg9YZe17tPjE82Q[/IMG]

    More AQ killed under President Obama than Bush in much less time[/QUOTE]

    Putin knew Obama was soft when he demanded that we forego our Eastern European missile defense system and Obama caved without demanding a concession from Russia in return. I applaud Obama for his aggressive use of targeted killings. The problem though was when his administration leaked the info as well as many more critical national security secrets to the media for political reasons. Making Obama look tough was not worth selling out our CIA assets and allies.

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4495470]HE had nothing to do with it. The teams found OBL and killed him. ALL Obama did was say ok.[/QUOTE]

    So did Carter. Obama's plan worked and OBL is dead. Obama is poison to AQ killing them off in record numbers and also getting the top guys. Very much unlike his republican predecessor

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495503]Russia is a net exporter of Oil. Also Iran wants nuclear weapons so they can operate with impunity in their quest to dominate the Middle East, wipe out Israel and create an Islamic Caliphate.

    I'm not sure but I think this move by China and Russia is part of a pattern where they tend to back up countries on Americas "bad side". For me it's another piece of evidence that those two powerful countries are not allies to the US. They are not enemies either at the moment but I see them as adversaries.[/QUOTE]

    Russia does export oil. However,:

    Trade

    [QUOTE]In addition to their trade and cooperation in hydrocarbons, Iran and Russia have also expanded trade ties in many non-energy sectors of the economy, including a large agriculture agreement in January 2009 and a telecommunications contract in December 2008.[11] In July 2010, Iran and Russia signed an agreement to increase their cooperation in developing their energy sectors.

    Features of the agreement include the establishment of a joint oil exchange, which with a combined production of up to 15 million barrels of oil per day has the potential to become a leading market globally.[12] Gazprom and Lukoil have become increasingly involved in the development of Iranian oil and gas projects.
    [/QUOTE]

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Russia_relations[/url]

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    Change Obama to Bush......

    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495509]Putin knew Obama was soft when he demanded that we forego our Eastern European missile defense system and Obama caved without demanding a concession from Russia in return. I applaud Obama for his aggressive use of targeted killings. The problem though was when his administration leaked the info as well as many more critical national security secrets to the media for political reasons. [B]Making Obama look tough was not worth selling out our CIA assets and allies[/B].[/QUOTE]

    [IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.nndb.com/people/634/000024562/valerie-plame-1-sized.jpg&sa=X&ei=fN7gT_3TA6Tm0QHomvCYDg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEMbLiKnnyYGsK2MqORI1MGXFEv0g[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495516]So did Carter. Obama's plan worked and OBL is dead. Obama is poison to AQ killing them off in record numbers and also getting the top guys. Very much unlike his republican predecessor[/QUOTE]

    Obama's plan? :rotfl: You mean the one he was against?

    What top guys. #2 Zawahiri and Mullah Omar are still out there.

    Killing off in record numbers? About the same.

    [URL]http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/27/dead-captured-and-wanted-2/?hpt=hp_c1[/URL]

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495526][IMG]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.nndb.com/people/634/000024562/valerie-plame-1-sized.jpg&sa=X&ei=fN7gT_3TA6Tm0QHomvCYDg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEMbLiKnnyYGsK2MqORI1MGXFEv0g[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    Not the same thing. The Plame incident had to do with lies being spread by her husband. They were correcting misinformation that was harmful to US interests. They did not do it to glorify Bush. Either way there were no national security secrets revealed and the guy responsible was prosecuted and jailed.

    Here we have leaks including revealing the name of a Pakistani Doctor that assisted in identifying Bin Ladin, and revealing that we had an asset within Al Qaeda in Yemen. On top of that they exposed a joint operation with the Israelis targeting Irans nuke program through cyber attacks. That alone killed any plausible deniability the US had.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4495516]So did Carter. Obama's plan worked and OBL is dead. Obama is poison to AQ killing them off in record numbers and also getting the top guys. Very much unlike his republican predecessor[/QUOTE]

    So GWB killed Iraqi's is great numbers. And his dad had over 100,000 kills.
    Nixon and LBJ logged lots of Viets. And Harry got Koreans.
    None of them did a thing. Soldiers etc did it.

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    Do you really think the Administration is the first for this type of behavior? If not, stop acting like it is.

    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495509]Putin knew Obama was soft when he demanded that we forego our Eastern European missile defense system and Obama caved without demanding a concession from Russia in return. I applaud Obama for his aggressive use of targeted killings. The problem though was when his administration leaked the info as well as many more critical national security secrets to the media for political reasons. Making Obama look tough was not worth selling out our CIA assets and allies.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4495718]Do you really think the Administration is the first for this type of behavior? If not, stop acting like it is.[/QUOTE]

    Yes I do. The mere fact that Democrats like Barbra Boxer are outraged if proof enough that this isn't some partisan bickering thing. Remember when the Obama administration leaked that the Israelis had made an agreement with Tajikistan to fuel up their fighters there in the event they had to move on Irans nuclear facilities? Then we give up the identity of assets on the ground that helped prevent terror attacks. WTF! Who is going to trust us or help us in the future when we have developed a reputation for not keeping secrets. They screwed over our allies and sold out CIA assets for political purposes. Not for the good of the country but rather to help Obama's sagging reelection prospects. It is crazy. There have never been any examples of Presidential Administrations leaking this type of highly sensitive national security information.

    A good man in Pakistan that helped us is locked up for 30 years because of this ****.

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    You are on the outside looking in, you are making the assumption tha great Dr in Pakistan was informing for the greater good of the world. You think maybe he was doing it for the money?

    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495760]Yes I do. The mere fact that Democrats like Barbra Boxer are outraged if proof enough that this isn't some partisan bickering thing. Remember when the Obama administration leaked that the Israelis had made an agreement with Tajikistan to fuel up their fighters there in the event they had to move on Irans nuclear facilities? Then we give up the identity of assets on the ground that helped prevent terror attacks. WTF! Who is going to trust us or help us in the future when we have developed a reputation for not keeping secrets. They screwed over our allies and sold out CIA assets for political purposes. Not for the good of the country but rather to help Obama's sagging reelection prospects. It is crazy. There have never been any examples of Presidential Administrations leaking this type of highly sensitive national security information.

    A good man in Pakistan that helped us is locked up for 30 years because of this ****.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4495565]So GWB killed Iraqi's is great numbers. And his dad had over 100,000 kills.
    Nixon and LBJ logged lots of Viets. And Harry got Koreans.
    None of them did a thing. Soldiers etc did it.[/QUOTE]

    In the Chain Of Command President Obama is Number 1

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4495558]Not the same thing. The Plame incident had to do with lies being spread by her husband. They were correcting misinformation that was harmful to US interests. They did not do it to glorify Bush. Either way there were no national security secrets revealed and the guy responsible was prosecuted and jailed.
    .[/QUOTE]

    The guy was the right hand man aka fall guy for Dicky C. Plame was outed because of politics. Once again your blinding bias got in your way.

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    [B]The hacker group Anonymous Hispano took credit for paralyzing the online sites. At around 3 p.m., Los Cabos time, Anonymous Hispano tweeted "Only minutes to begin (hash)OpG20." Minutes later, the group followed with another tweet about the G20, "they are responsible in great measure for the poverty of the world." A flurry of other tweets touting the site problems followed. Several Anonymous-related groups have paralyzed the websites of the Brazilian, Russian and other governments.[/B]

    ah, children! "Poverty of the world"! Of course, it couldn't be dictators starving their own people, or countries locked into backward, 17th century mindsets (hi Saudi Arabia! :wave: ). Nope - its the G20.

    Grow the **** up. :rolleyes:

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