Its funny you see it as we are union bashing. Coper sees it as teacher bashing. As a parent and a libertarian I think the whole system is messed up from the politicians, administrators, teachers, kids, parents, curriculum, agenda, etc. Hell I am sure if we looked closely enough even the custodians and bus drivers are messed up. The biggest issue though is the Unions not allowing change and the administration making the wrong changes. Nothing gets solved, it usually gets more screwed up and more expensive.
<edit>I am not saying private businesses are perfect either. My company has some disfunctionality but the difference is that you aren't forced to buy our product at gun point and if we are so inefficient that our prices are too high we go out of business.
Last edited by Trades; 06-20-2012 at 08:07 AM.
I presently teach 6 different classes of social studies, all over crowded (30-35 students) one of those classes is an ESL class made up of 30 Chinese, 2 Spanish, and 3 Indian. About 80% of the students in the class cant speak a word of English. They go home and only speak their native language with family members who dont speak English. Its now June and I've seen some improvement over the 10 months where students can say simple sentences. The government, in their quest to rally society against all government workers, gives these students the SAME standardized test as a student who has lived in America their whole lives and go home to parents who were born here. Its the governments disconnect as to what makes a good teacher.
Go visit a public school in an average income area in NYC. See the insane issues that teachers deal with everyday. Just yesterday I witnessed a student with a pen right up against a teachers face screaming "GET THE F OUT OF MY FACE, YOU AINT MY MOTHER." What did the teacher do that was so awful? She was defending a boy in a WHEELCHAIR who was being PUNCHED for FUN(?) by the student with the pen. This happened yesterday, the same student just looked at me this morning with an arrogant look and said "Yeah, wuzzz up." Nothing, not a thing done, no consequence. A phone call was placed to the parent with no response. Why cant the school do anything you ask? Because under NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND the government doesnt want to admit that there are any behavioral issues or they would have to address it. Its much easier to claim that teachers have poor classroom management skills. Oh, the student with the pen, he takes the same STANDARIZED test as everyone else.
Yeah, but I get it, when he fails the test its the teacher who is the DISMAL FAILURE according to the government and eveyone else who believes their mission to attack teachers and other government workers.......
Last edited by copernicus; 06-20-2012 at 08:51 AM.
1) Federal Mandates: NCLB, Common Core, Race To The Top, all have corporate greed agendas that do not bode well for children.
2) Mayoral Control: Mayor Bloomberg fought so hard to get it and now has the power to do really whatever he wants. No one looking over him. The DOE in NYC has the highest salaries of over $100,000 of all city workers. Most of these salaries come from political promise type jobs outside the classroom and small schools withing already existing school buildings that now have to account for twice, sometimes three times the amount of administrators. No one looking over the billionaire businessman who poses as a mayor for now. Not a good mix.
3) Standardized Tests: The result of NCLB was to test, test and test the kids more. Its so unbelievably over the top that anyone who witnesses this could never believe that it makes sense without some hidden agenda. The amount of standardized tests reached 20 this school year. That's almost 1 every 2 weeks (includes practice and post exams). A standardized test day is awful for every kid and teacher and in the end has proved nothing except that it costs so much more money that could be spent on useful things for schools. Somehow we have forgotten that they are children and should be inspired by their experiences to learn. One standardized test at the the end of the year seems reasonable. Finland, who the rest of the world deems as the greatest country for education, DOES NOT give any standardize tests until the student is 16 years old and not every student takes one. Funny how Americans wants to be the best at everything yet wont follow the model of the best country.
That is what is needed to improve education. Now on the other side, administrations need to be reduced, the federal government is too big to make decisions that are local by nature so they need to butt out and leave it to the states, budgets and curriculums need to be reevaluated to get money as close to the student as possible and to teach them actual skills like reading, writing, math, computers, science, HISTORY, and leave the liberal indoctrination at the door.
I admit I know nothing about Finland's educational system, I guess they had to be good at something. Do their students rank #1 in the international Math or Science competitions? Are their colleges drawing students from around the world? What criteria gives them this #1 ranking?
I started my career teaching in a private Catholic school. I quickly realized that when I taught students about the slave trade how the school did not want the students to learn anything about the involvement of the catholic church. It was the Catholic Church's agenda to not criticize anything about it.
If the government has its way and privatizes all schools, do you think the schools funded by oil companies will learn about an alternative energy source? Do you think the schools funded by Walmart will learn about health benefits for employees? Will the Verizon schools get any information about the link of cell phone use to brain cancer?...........Scary
Anyway, Iím in the camp that advocates a reduction in standardized testing. Standardized tests cannot measure or evaluate creativity, critical thinking, resilience, empathy, leadership, resourcefulness, etc. and they pull money, time, and resources away from productive education to run the kids through arbitrary psychometrics that have no real correlations to anything relevant to education.
Currently the left and union overstates their agenda just as the right would if they ran the schools. Do you really think that they aren't? I don't think one is any better than the other. Get rid of national mandates and then there would be an opportunity to let the people/states/localities choose what they want and competition would find the best solution for everyone.
PS: The NY POST is free for every student in all NYC public schools. Tenured teachers (not afraid to speak up) voiced their displeasure on behalf of all teachers in our school and asked if they could simply be thrown away because of their one sided view of all things bad when it comes to teachers. Our principal told the staff that the if a DOE official comes into the school and checks and we dont have the NY POST free for every student we could lose money from our budget!.......
Last edited by copernicus; 06-20-2012 at 11:47 AM.
Copernicus is right though in many respects.... language barriers, $hitty parent support etc...make it a difficult job to succeed in. Many of the factors for success are out of their control BUT I believe standards need be set and changes made.
the shame is the lack of change. The way the NEA fights change.
Spot on!Anyway, I’m in the camp that advocates a reduction in standardized testing. Standardized tests cannot measure or evaluate creativity, critical thinking, resilience, empathy, leadership, resourcefulness, etc. and they pull money, time, and resources away from productive education to run the kids through arbitrary psychometrics that have no real correlations to anything relevant to education
Last edited by copernicus; 06-20-2012 at 11:50 AM.
My principal has a masters degree, administrative degree in education, passing grades on major teaching exams and 20 plus years experience in dealing with adolescent issues.
Teachers have a masters degree, 30 credits above masters in education, passing grades on major teaching exams, and 10 plus years experience.
Teachers Union is made up mostly of former teachers in the NYC public school system.
Who else would be better to judge?
Last edited by copernicus; 06-20-2012 at 12:02 PM.
Do you think this type of person's message is something school children should be reading?
Think his message is a fair one?
Its most educated peoples opinion that the NY POST is often sensationalized news and degrading towards women with provocative pictures displayed.
Think its a good paper for young readers to get correct information?
Ruppert Murdoch's paper is the ONLY news paper provided for free in NYC schools.
No other news paper aloud unless paid for.
Do you think that's ok also?
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