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    Gun Ownership Up.... Crime Down

    [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/18/gun-ownership-up-crime-down/[/url]


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    FBI violent-crime rates show safer nation with more gun owners

    Gun-control advocates are noticeably silent when crime rates decline. Their multimillion-dollar lobbying efforts are designed to manufacture mass anxiety that every gun owner is a potential killer. The statistics show otherwise.

    Last week, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced that violent crime decreased 4 percent in 2011. The number of murders, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults all went down, continuing a pattern.

    “This is not a one-year anomaly, but a steady decline in the FBI’s violent-crime rates,” said Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association. “It would be disingenuous for anyone to not credit increased self-defense laws to account for this decline.”

    Mr. Arulanandam pointed out that only a handful of states had concealed-carry programs 25 years ago, when the violent-crime rate peaked. Today, 41 states either allow carrying without a permit or have “shall issue” laws that make it easy for just about any noncriminal to get a permit. Illinois and Washington, D.C., are the only places that refuse to recognize the right to bear arms. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence did not respond to requests for comment.

    If the gun grabbers were right, we’d be in the middle of a crime wave, considering how many guns are on the streets. “Firearms sales have increased substantially since right after the 2008 election,” said Bill Brassard, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which represents the $4 billion firearms and ammunition industry. “There was a leveling off in 2010, but now we’re seeing a surge again.”

    The FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) serves as one of the best indicators of gun sales because it counts each time someone buys a gun. Checks hit an all-time high of 16.5 million last year. In the first five months of this year, the numbers have gone up 10 percent over the same period last year as Americans rush to the gun store in case President Obama decides to exercise “more flexibility” in restricting guns in a second term.

    Gun manufacturing is the one private-sector industry “doing fine” on Mr. Obama’s watch. Sturm, Ruger & Co. sold 1 million firearms in the first quarter of 2012 - an amazing 50 percent increase from the first quarter of 2011. The jump was so steep that the company stopped accepting orders from March to May to catch up with demand for its products.

    Last month, Smith & Wesson announced a firearm-order backlog of approximately $439 million by the end of April, up 135 percent from the same quarter in 2011. Sales in that period were up 28 percent from 2011 and 14 percent over its own predictions to investors. NSSF estimates the industry is responsible for approximately 180,000 jobs and has an annual impact on the U.S. economy of $28 billion.

    Mr. Obama could honestly take credit for this jobs program, economic boost and the reduction in violent crime that has followed the spike in gun ownership on his watch. Instead, he’s silent about his greatest positive accomplishment.

    Emily Miller is a senior editor for the Opinion pages at The Washington Times.[/QUOTE]

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    How is this possible? Obama was going to take away everyone's guns??????

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4495937]How is this possible? Obama was going to take away everyone's guns??????[/QUOTE]

    Which motivated everyone to go out and arm themselves. Unintended consequences.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4495973]Which motivated everyone to go out and arm themselves. Unintended consequences.[/QUOTE]

    But, but, but if Obama was to be elected (which he was) he was taking them all away!!!!!!! Let's see, this administration has never spoke nor put any legislation on the floor, yet the alarmist move onto another bs issue.

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    [B]“It would be disingenuous for anyone to not credit increased self-defense laws to account for this decline.”[/B]

    LOLz...does anyone even understand cause and effect anymore?

    Sunscreen use is also up...and crime down!

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4495984][B]“It would be disingenuous for anyone to not credit increased self-defense laws to account for this decline.”[/B]

    LOLz...does anyone even understand cause and effect anymore?

    Sunscreen use is also up...and crime down![/QUOTE]

    Weren't you the one telling me that crime went down when abortion became legal?

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4495978]But, but, but if Obama was to be elected (which he was) he was taking them all away!!!!!!! Let's see, this administration has never spoke nor put any legislation on the floor, yet the alarmist move onto another bs issue.[/QUOTE]

    That would come with a second term, so we won't have to worry about that... :D

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4495984][B]“It would be disingenuous for anyone to not credit increased self-defense laws to account for this decline.”[/B]

    LOLz...does anyone even understand cause and effect anymore?

    Sunscreen use is also up...and crime down![/QUOTE]

    Self defense laws that allow people to purchase and carry firearms... :yes:

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    [QUOTE][B]Illinois and Washington, D.C., are the only places that refuse to recognize the right to bear arms.[/B][/QUOTE]

    What's the murder rate in Chicago and DC again?

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    I am a proud gun owner and I will buy a few more guns this year:D

    A great deal of Americans understand that the gov't cannot protect them, so home defense is booming.

    When buying a firearm, one should ensure that there is plenty of available ammo.

    Reliability, accuracy and ease of use are good parameters to define a good home defense tool.:

    This one here looks like the ultimate though:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=related[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4496046]I am a proud gun owner and I will buy a few more guns this year:D

    A great deal of Americans understand that the gov't cannot protect them, so home defense is booming.

    When buying a firearm, one should ensure that there is plenty of available ammo.

    Reliability, accuracy and ease of use are good parameters to define a good home defense tool.:

    This one here looks like the ultimate though:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]

    If you're going to buy a handgun, make sure the caliber begins with 4....

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4496016]Weren't you the one telling me that crime went down when abortion became legal?[/QUOTE]

    Yes and weren't you the one telling me that there was no cause and effect?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4496107]Yes and weren't you the one telling me that there was no cause and effect?[/QUOTE]

    Yes. Glad to hear I was able to teach you something.

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    But Dean, Look how safe shtcago is, They have gun control laws and is worked out so well! Especially if you're gay, White, Asian, or Hispanic!!
    According to a statement in the Chicago Tribune, reporting on the race of individuals involved in news events, such as mobs attacking, robbing and vandalizing, is irrelevant.


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    A news anchor at the ABC affiliate in Chicago goes even further: Anyone who reads or writes about the epidemic of racial violence in Chicago is an “idiot” who engages in “meaningless … race baiting,” says Ravi Baichwal.

    City officials and the media might be the only two places left where people still deny Chicago is under assault from more than 50 episodes of black mobs attacking, beating, robbing and vandalizing over the last three years in and around downtown. Many of them are on display at YouTube.

    Some call it the “Chicago Intifada.”

    Over just the last two weeks, black mobs are under investigation in at least five new violent incidents in downtown Chicago.

    And according to the award-winning police blog Second City Cop, there may be 25 more incidents of mob violence and lawlessness in that weekend alone that were never reported.

    “As someone who worked in downtown Chicago for many years, I am horrified that residents are not only not being protected by the police, but that the city and media are actively denying the public the facts they need to fulfill the most basic of human rights; protecting themselves,” said Michelle Jacobsen. “The police and media have three basic purposes; serve, protect, inform. Their purposely miserable failure is putting lives in danger.”

    The latest epidemic of violence was centered around the Blues Festival on June 9. Shortly after a concert ended at 9:30 p.m., a mob attacked an out-of-town visitor and left him with a broken jaw. Six juveniles and one adult – all black – have been charged in connection with the assault.

    Thirty minutes later, another mob in a nearby subway attacked a man trying to protect his wife from theft and assault. The Chicago Tribune said he suffered a “concussion, a fractured orbital bone under his left eye, two cracked teeth and a cut over his left eye that required six stitches.”

    The paper published pictures of the assailants, none of whom has been arrested or identified.

    The next night, a doctor at Chicago’s Northwestern hospital was beaten by a mob, the second attack on a doctor in that area in 10 days, says the CBS affiliate in Chicago. All the suspects are black.

    Meanwhile, the Second City Cop web site says mob violence in the downtown precincts is massively under-reported:

    “And for the record, the ‘three’ ‘muggings’ that are being ‘investigated?’ Add a zero to that for incidents occurring last night in 018 (the downtown precinct.) Crime is down and if no one reports it or the media doesn’t get a hold of it? It never happened.”

    The Chicago New Report provides details of similar assaults for the following weekend: “Saturday, Chicago police officers were kept busy trying to control huge crowds of unruly, young African Americans in the city’s increasingly violent downtown area. Separate groups, of nearly two hundred people, were responsible for several disturbances and at least one robbery in the area.”

    Over the last three years, Chicago has been Ground Zero for an epidemic of racial violence and denial – with dozens of attacks against women, “gays,” seniors, Asians and others from black mobs. Few, if any, were reported as racial violence.

    The beat reporters may not be connecting the dots, but three Chicago columnists are. If only to deny the dots are connected – or even exist.

    Last July, Tribune columnist Mary Schmich recounted the latest example of black mob violence, and said “there’s another fact that you also know, but it’s one you haven’t read in the Tribune or seen explicitly stated by most of the official media: The young men were black.”

    Which has nothing to do with anything, she says. And besides, she and her friends worry how reporting the race of the criminals “will reflect on all the good black kids.”

    Schmich’s comments echo a policy statement from Tribune editorial page member Steve Chapman.

    “There are good reasons not to identify the attackers by race. It’s the newspaper’s sound general policy not to mention race in a story, whether about crime or anything else, unless it has some clear relevance to the topic. My question to readers accusing us of political correctness is: Why do you care so much about the attackers’ race? If you fear or dislike blacks, I suppose it would confirm your prejudice. But otherwise, it tells you nothing useful.”

    But posters to Tribune news sites and callers to talk radio wonder why the media has so much invested in refusing to report a unifying factor in many of these violent crimes.

    City officials sometimes even deny the violence exists – let alone has a racial component. Last year, the city closed North Beach for Memorial Day after a crowd of 1,000 black people attacked beachgoers, knocked some off bikes and created other mayhem.

    Mayor Rahm Emanuel said the beach was closed because it was too hot. No one told him about wide-spread racial violence at the beach, he said. Other city beaches remained open. Callers to talk radio and leaks from the police department revealed the true extent of the violence – and who was responsible for it.

    Also during the summer on at least five occasions, mobs of black people swept through the “gay” district of Boys Town, beating, assaulting, destroying, even knifing. Some of it is on YouTube.

    According the local ABC affiliate: “It was an obvious mob mentality. You saw people cheering it on. People running in to give one quick jab or kick and the then back out and cheering them on. It’s scary,’ said Rob Sall.

    “Residents say the problems are due to large groups of people from outside the neighborhood loitering in the area. Alderman Tom Tunney, 44th Ward, said Monday night that this is a subject that has been coming up for the last couple of years. There tends to be large groups of minority youths on Halsted.”

    There’s been a stream of headlines:

    Random attacks cause concern in Chicago – Chicago Tribune

    Police Supt. Garry McCarthy vows to hunt down ‘flash mob’ suspects – Chicago Sun-Times

    Officials: Flash Mobs Already Plague South Side – CBS Chicago

    Four robbed, attacked by mob of young men in Streeterville – Chicago Sun-Times

    Teen mobs suspected in downtown assaults – chicagotribune.com

    The list go on and on. So does the list of universities, sports teams, retail associations, hospitals and others that have warned their employees and customers that downtown Chicago is now a dangerous place.

    Tribune columnist Mary Mitchell grudgingly acknowledges all the mob attackers are black. Mitchell doesn’t much like that, but she insists race has nothing to do with it. She says the attackers are from the suburbs, so don’t blame Chicago. She does however, worry that her grandchild goes to school with too many white children.

    Back in the city, Congressman (and former Black Panther leader) Bobby Rush said black mob violence has been around for a long time: “You know as well as I – shootings, killings, and flash mobs. This is a new one now. Flash mobs, pepper spray assaults by young men have dominated this weekend’s news. I’m disturbed because it happens on the South Side on a regular basis. It seems as though when it happens on the North Side, then it’s newsworthy.”

    Over the Memorial Day weekend, 10 people were killed and 40 shot, largely in Chicago’s black neighborhoods. The next weekend, the numbers were 8 dead and 40 wounded. And the weekend after that, five dead and 28 wounded.

    The Superintendent of Police Gary McCarthy said crime is down and he is frustrated that people do not know it.

    Last year, just a few days after denying there was any problem with violence from the 1,000 black people who were rioting at North Beach, McCarthy said he knew who was responsible for all the violence: Sarah Palin. Because she supports the right to bear arms.

    While city officials and the Chicago media stumble over each other to deny the racial violence, at least one black Chicago alderman figures if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em: Earlier this month, Alderman Anthony Beale said if Metra, the city transit agency, does not hire more minorities, “people are going to get hurt.”

    Even the Sun-Times could not ignore that: Its headline said: “Beale predicts violence if Metra doesn’t hire more minorities for rail project.”

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4496046]I am a proud gun owner and I will buy a few more guns this year:D

    A great deal of Americans understand that the gov't cannot protect them, so home defense is booming.

    When buying a firearm, one should ensure that there is plenty of available ammo.

    Reliability, accuracy and ease of use are good parameters to define a good home defense tool.:

    This one here looks like the ultimate though:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]

    That Russian guy is badass. Firing an automatic shotgun with one hand is rediculous

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    Great news we should reduce the Police forces around the country and hopefully start reducing the prison population to reflect the fact that gun ownership has reduced crime.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4495978]But, but, but if Obama was to be elected (which he was) he was taking them all away!!!!!!! Let's see, this administration has never spoke nor put any legislation on the floor, yet the alarmist move onto another bs issue.[/QUOTE]


    The alarm is real and well-founded. That's because B. Hussein said the DC Gun Law was Constitutional [B][I](District of Columbia v. Heller)[/I][/B]
    (James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "[B]Court To Hear Gun Case[/B]," Chicago Tribune, [U]11/20/07[/U][B]) [/B]before flip-floppingand was well known for his anti-gun positions - director of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation, his voting record (however scant) and other ancillary evidence.

    As for recent Congressional (D) gun-related extortion: May 9;

    [B]Democrats backed off of their effort Tuesday to offer a “Trayvon amendment” to pressure states to drop their stand-your-ground laws after learning it was likely to be ruled out of order under the evening’s rules for debate on the House floor.[/B]
    [B]Rep. Keith Ellison, Minnesota Democrat, said he will still try to force a debate at a more “appropriate” time in the future, saying action is demanded by the case of Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager who police said was shot dead in a street encounter with a neighborhood watch volunteer.[/B]
    [B]The Ellison amendment would have docked federal criminal justice [/B][B]grants[/B][B] to states that have stand-your-ground laws, which allow residents to use deadly force to respond to an attack without first having to retreat[/B].

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4496488]The alarm is real and well-founded. That's because B. Hussein said the DC Gun Law was Constitutional [B][I](District of Columbia v. Heller)[/I][/B]
    (James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "[B]Court To Hear Gun Case[/B]," Chicago Tribune, [U]11/20/07[/U][B]) [/B]before flip-floppingand was well known for his anti-gun positions - director of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation, his voting record (however scant) and other ancillary evidence.

    As for recent Congressional (D) gun-related extortion: May 9;

    [B]Democrats backed off of their effort Tuesday to offer a “Trayvon amendment” to pressure states to drop their stand-your-ground laws after learning it was likely to be ruled out of order under the evening’s rules for debate on the House floor.[/B]
    [B]Rep. Keith Ellison, Minnesota Democrat, said he will still try to force a debate at a more “appropriate” time in the future, saying action is demanded by the case of Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager who police said was shot dead in a street encounter with a neighborhood watch volunteer.[/B]
    [B]The Ellison amendment would have docked federal criminal justice [/B][B]grants[/B][B] to states that have stand-your-ground laws, which allow residents to use deadly force to respond to an attack without first having to retreat[/B].[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure I understand the above....why would there be a need to have a Trayvon Amendment when George Zimmerman has been indicted, and will likely be tried for homicide, for the killing of Martin? I could understand a movement for a "Trayvon Amendment" if the stand-you-ground law was implicated, but it seems pretty clear that its not. I'm not commenting on whether those laws are good/bad/neutral, but its seems fairly irrelevant to the specific circumstances. In fact, perhaps the distinguishing of this event (if the facts warrant) from what the law was intended may actually bolster the validity of the law.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4496226]Great news we should reduce the Police forces around the country and hopefully start reducing the prison population to reflect the fact that gun ownership has reduced crime.[/QUOTE]

    Today's policing would have a lot to do with less crime, in fact be the major reason for it - it is pervasive, massive and utilises incredible technology. If anything should be congratulated on less crime it is today's policing.....as for a complete lack of regard for any laws, constitutions or anything else meant to guard individual rights and privacy, policing is the main culprit for that as well.

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    [QUOTE=Black Death;4497145]Today's policing would have a lot to do with less crime, in fact be the major reason for it - it is pervasive, massive and utilises incredible technology. If anything should be congratulated on less crime it is today's policing.....as for a complete lack of regard for any laws, constitutions or anything else meant to guard individual rights and privacy, policing is the main culprit for that as well.[/QUOTE]

    I suspect the major reason is the ageing demographics of the country. Less hormones less crime.

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