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    [QUOTE=John_0515;4501619]

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    The trailer for this is really cool. I'm more excited for this than I am for the superhero movies, minus Batman.

    [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljhR5rk5eY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljhR5rk5eY[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Wow, just watched the trailer, didn't realize that BOTH Kate Beckinsale AND Jessica Biel are in it. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4501958]Wow, just watched the trailer, didn't realize that BOTH Kate Beckinsale AND Jessica Biel are in it. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;4501881]Little know is that the movie "Soldier" with Kurt Russell is in the same universe as Blade Runner. It's a side sequel, if you will.[/QUOTE]

    Little known by non-nerd like me perhaps! :D

    [QUOTE]Soldier was written by David Peoples, who co-wrote the script for Blade Runner. By his own admission, he considers Soldier to be a "sidequel"/spiritual successor to Blade Runner.[2] It also obliquely references various elements of stories written by Philip K. Dick (who wrote the novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", on which Blade Runner is based), or film adaptations thereof. A "Spinner" vehicle from Blade Runner can be seen in the wreckage on a junk planet that features in the film.[3]

    There are also several dialogue references to events such as "Tanhauser Gate" from Blade Runner.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4501958]Wow, just watched the trailer, didn't realize that BOTH Kate Beckinsale AND Jessica Biel are in it. :yes:

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    I know, right. And you don't even get fired up just because of that. The movie looks awesome.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4501992]Little known by non-nerd like me perhaps! :D[/QUOTE]

    LOL. I think some of the wars mentioned in Blade Runner are tattooed on Kurt Russell's arm.

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;4502005]LOL. I think some of the wars mentioned in Blade Runner are tattooed on Kurt Russell's arm.[/QUOTE]

    Yup. And what I intended to say was that it was "little known" to folks who are NOT Nerds, unlike me, who IS a nerd of sorts.

    TLDR: I knew, because I am nerd. But still good to see it pointed out.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4501834]You don't think the new Batman franchise isn't 1000X better than the one starring Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer and George Clooney? Heath Ledger versus Jack as The Joker? Much darker, much more serious, better cinematography. Don't get me wrong, I liked the earlier versions, but the new franchise blows them away.

    You don't think the newest Bond franchise isn't better (darker, more serious) than almost all of the previous Bonds (other than Connery--and his were still a bit campy). Casino Royale WAS a remake.

    One of my favorite movies as a kid was The Omega Man with Charlton Heston--but it's extremely dated. I Am Legend was a very solid remake.

    Look, I loved Blade Runner, but doing a remake doesn't mean you have to throw out your DVD of the Ridley Scott/Harrison Ford version--neither of which, btw, even liked the way it was originally released--they were extremely vocal in their displeasure with the way the producers recut it to satisfy Hollywood.

    And as much as I liked the original Total Recall, I think the new Colin Farrell version is going to be great.

    Just saying, I wouldn't mind seeing a newer take on Blade Runner. You don't have to see it, you know.

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    How is this even remotely comparable?

    You even said it yourself...Batman...James Bond...these are franchises, not remakes. They've been making sequel upon sequel for years and years.

    Blade Runner is a standalone film and arguably the greatest science fiction movie ever made.

    Also, the only thing Ford really voiced his displeasure about regarding the original cut was the narration that they made him do. Ford and Rutger Hauer were pissed about the Director's cut, where Ridley Scott basically confirmed that Deckard was a replicant which Ford and Hauer believed totally screwed with one of the greatest ending scenes in film history. The whole "tears in rain" scene delivers a lot less impact if it was nothing more than two androids fighting eachother.

    Remake Total Recall. Remake Dune. Remake Invasion of the Body Snatchers for the umpteenth time.

    But don't lay a goddamn finger on Blade Runner.

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    [QUOTE=Untouchable;4502081]Also, the only thing Ford really voiced his displeasure about regarding the original cut was the narration that they made him do. Ford and Rutger Hauer were pissed about the Director's cut, where Ridley Scott basically confirmed that Deckard was a replicant which Ford and Hauer believed totally screwed with one of the greatest ending scenes in film history. The whole "tears in rain" scene delivers a lot less impact if it was nothing more than two androids fighting eachother.
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    The "Not Sure" about Deckard being human/replicant is a core aspect of Dickian style, and really shouldn't be a sure thing one way or the other, the story needs that to be what it is. Personally, I prefer the "no voiceover" version.

    As for actors/directors saying what they think, thats fine. Everyone has an opinion. Btu teh film itself should not say so for usre, and I don't think it does. It's up to each to decide what they think about Deckard.

    Same way Total Recall should have ended, Soprano Style, right when Arnold gets that "uh oh" look on his face and says something like "this could be just a dream" at the end of the Mars bit at films end. We, the viewer, should never know for sure if what Arnold experienced was real, or if really was all just an implanted memory.

    Same is an Minority Report. We, the viewer, should always have some doubts if that big happy ending where Tom Cruise gets his wife back, stops the bad guy, and the precogs get to live in peace on a lake is real.....or just teh happy dream pumped into a now-comotose Cruise serving his (wrongful) sentence after he's put into that wierd-lloking stacking prion thingy.

    It is that very unsurety of reality that is the core of Dick's writing.
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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4502012]Yup. And what I intended to say was that it was "little known" to folks who are NOT Nerds, unlike me, who IS a nerd of sorts.

    TLDR: I knew, because I am nerd. But still good to see it pointed out.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4502102]The "Not Sure" about Deckard being human/replicant is a core aspect of Dickian style, and really shouldn't be a sure thing one way or the other, the story needs that to be what it is. Personally, I prefer the "no voiceover" version.

    As for actors/directors saying what they think, thats fine. Everyone has an opinion. Btu teh film itself should not say so for usre, and I don't think it does. It's up to each to decide what they think about Deckard.

    Same way Total Recall should have ended, Soprano Style, right when Arnold gets that "uh oh" look on his face and says something like "this could be just a dream" at the end of the Mars bit at films end. We, the viewer, should never know for sure if what Arnold experienced was real, or if really was all just an implanted memory.

    Same is an Minority Report. We, the viewer, should always have some doubts if that big happy ending where Tom Cruise gets his wife back, stops the bad guy, and the precogs get to live in peace on a lake is real.....or just teh happy dream pumped into a now-comotose Cruise serving his (wrongful) sentence after he's put into that wierd-lloking stacking prion thingy.

    It is that very unsurety of reality that is the core of Dick's writing.[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree with you.

    Although it is heavily implied in the Director's Cut of Blade Runner that Deckard was indeed a replicant.

    Ford falls asleep drunk at the piano and has a dream about a unicorn. Then at the end, Gaff leaves an origami unicorn in Deckard's apartment implying that he has implanted dreams and memories and that he is in fact a replicant.

    Harrison Ford and Rutger Hauer were and still are pissed at Ridley Scott to this day.

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    [QUOTE=Untouchable;4502081]

    You even said it yourself...Batman...James Bond...these are franchises, not remakes. They've been making sequel upon sequel for years and years.

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    Semantics--reboots, as it were.

    I will welcome a Blade Runner remake or reboot or whatver you want to call it.

    Loved the first, wouldn't be torqued off for a second.

    Hey, even Michelangelo did several Pieta's :D

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4502102]

    Same is an Minority Report. We, the viewer, should always have some doubts if that big happy ending where Tom Cruise gets his wife back, stops the bad guy, and the precogs get to live in peace on a lake is real.....or just teh happy dream pumped into a now-comotose Cruise serving his (wrongful) sentence after he's put into that wierd-lloking stacking prion thingy.

    It is that very unsurety of reality that is the core of Dick's writing.[/QUOTE]

    What did you think of Repo Men?

    That ending was a gut buster.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4502126]Semantics--reboots, as it were.

    I will welcome a Blade Runner remake or reboot or whatver you want to call it.

    Loved the first, wouldn't be torqued off for a second.

    Hey, even Michelangelo did several Pieta's :D

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    I just don't see the use in remaking a movie that is pretty much universally regarded as being perfect. Like I said, this would be akin to remaking The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Chinatown, Jaws, etc.

    If you remake Total Recall, there's the chance (however small it may be) that it could surpass the original, especially if it is more faithful to the source material.

    If you remake Blade Runner, there's no damn way that it will even come within a lightyear of the original. It would only tarnish the original films legacy. This is new-school Hollywood that we're talking about. I have no interest in seeing someone like Michael Bay give us his vision of Blade Runner with Channing Tatum as Deckard and Ben Affleck as Roy Batty.

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    [QUOTE=Untouchable;4502133]I just don't see the use in remaking a movie that is pretty much universally regarded as being perfect. Like I said, this would be akin to remaking The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Chinatown, Jaws, etc.

    If you remake Total Recall, there's the chance (however small it may be) that it could surpass the original, especially if it is more faithful to the source material.

    If you remake Blade Runner, there's no damn way that it will even come within a lightyear of the original. It would only tarnish the original films legacy. This is new-school Hollywood that we're talking about. I have no interest in seeing someone like Michael Bay give us his vision of Blade Runner with Channing Tatum as Deckard and Ben Affleck as Roy Batty.[/QUOTE]

    See, even if Total Recall surpassed the original, I'd still love them both.

    And Hollywood can't allow a $500MM blockbuster remake get away because it might tarnish a legacy.

    And because of the immense respect people have for the original, they aren't going to give it to Bay with Channing Tatum and Ben Affleck.

    How about Guy Pierce as Deckard and Jeremy Renner as Roy Batty?

    As great as it is, it's still dated. I'll let you know how the new one is :D

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    And one last point, if ever there was a genre ripe for remakes, it's sci-fi--our vision of the future is a lot different now then it was 30 years ago and the technology for bringing a newer vision of the future is so much better than it was 30 years ago.

    You don't redo The Godfather or Shawshank, because they are historical lookbacks at the past, which doesn't change (other than our perception of it).

    Looking into the future is constantly evolving.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4502239]And one last point, if ever there was a genre ripe for remakes, it's sci-fi--our vision of the future is a lot different now then it was 30 years ago and the technology for bringing a newer vision of the future is so much better than it was 30 years ago.

    You don't redo The Godfather or Shawshank, because they are historical lookbacks at the past, which doesn't change (other than our perception of it).

    Looking into the future is constantly evolving.

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    The Star Wars movies are sci-fi/fantasy. So by using your logic, would you be in favor of someone taking a stab at remaking the first film or The Empire Strikes Back?

    Lucas took a shot with the prequels with newer and more advanced technology, and they sucked ass and will never hold a candle to the original trilogy.

    Newer isn't always better.

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    [QUOTE=Untouchable;4502256]The Star Wars movies are sci-fi/fantasy. So by using your logic, would you be in favor of someone taking a stab at remaking the first film or The Empire Strikes Back?

    Lucas took a shot with the prequels with newer and more advanced technology, and they sucked ass and will never hold a candle to the original trilogy.

    Newer isn't always better.[/QUOTE]

    Agree about Star Wars, the prequels were awful.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4502128]What did you think of Repo Men?

    That ending was a gut buster.

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    Loved it.

    Despite the fact that I may have been the only man in America who did (it got horrible reviews if I recall).

    Probably the best Phillip K. Dick style Film not actually written Dick. Quite good.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4502320]Loved it.

    Despite the fact that I may have been the only man in America who did (it got horrible reviews if I recall).

    Probably the best Phillip K. Dick style Film not actually written Dick. Quite good.[/QUOTE]

    Very solid movie. Jude Law is a great actor, very rarely gives a bad effort.

    Loved him in Road to Perdition.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4501834]You don't think the new Batman franchise isn't 1000X better than the one starring Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer and George Clooney? Heath Ledger versus Jack as The Joker? Much darker, much more serious, better cinematography. Don't get me wrong, I liked the earlier versions, but the new franchise blows them away.

    You don't think the newest Bond franchise isn't better (darker, more serious) than almost all of the previous Bonds (other than Connery--and his were still a bit campy). Casino Royale WAS a remake.

    One of my favorite movies as a kid was The Omega Man with Charlton Heston--but it's extremely dated. I Am Legend was a very solid remake.

    Look, I loved Blade Runner, but doing a remake doesn't mean you have to throw out your DVD of the Ridley Scott/Harrison Ford version--neither of which, btw, even liked the way it was originally released--they were extremely vocal in their displeasure with the way the producers recut it to satisfy Hollywood.

    And as much as I liked the original Total Recall, I think the new Colin Farrell version is going to be great.

    Just saying, I wouldn't mind seeing a newer take on Blade Runner. You don't have to see it, you know.

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    I basically agree with you .. But darker and more seriOus does not always mean better.

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