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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4501031]Who are those guys and what does a chick have to do with football?[/QUOTE]

    Those guys are the 50,000 or so fans who now show up to Gillette but back in the 1980's and early 1990s were nowhere to be seen causing most of your home games to be blacked out on TV

    That chick and how she was treated by your organization is a major stain on your franchise that most of your current fair weathered fans dont even remember.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4501027] I doubt many Pats fans today remember the days of Tommy Hodson, Dick MacPherson, Victor Kiam or the Lisa Olson incident with Zeke Mowatt.[/QUOTE]

    Is this a joke? The Lisa Olsen incident occurred in 1990 just a few years after women reporters were allowed to enter an NFL locker room. A few players accused her of being a 'looker' who was there to look at naked men while not interviewing anyone. They then harassed her (mostly Mowatt) and it created a firestorm. Rightly so, although over 20 years ago people weren't as sensitive to sexual harassment issues as they are today. I, and each one of my friends, remember that, as well as Hodson, Kiam, and hell, even before that with Rod Rust and Billy Sullivan.

    Now get off your high horse because your proud organization had it's own Olsen incident, [U]not even two years ago[/U]. Ines Sainz ring any bells?

    Talk about a pfail post.:rolleyes: What a load of crap.
    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4501041]

    That chick and how she was treated by your organization is a major stain on your franchise that most of your current fair weathered fans don't even remember.[/QUOTE]

    Careful dude. Your glass house is in shards.
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    [QUOTE=Savage69;4501018]It was Parcells that wouldn't guarantee that he would take Peyton with the first pick of the 97 draft Archie Manning had no problem with NY or the Tuna..:confused:[/QUOTE]

    Uhhh.....Why did Parcells have to guarantee Archie Manning anything? :confused:

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4501059]Uhhh.....Why did Parcells have to guarantee Archie Manning anything? :confused:[/QUOTE]

    He wanted to make sure Peyton went to a team and HC that he approved of just like he did with Eli.. If Peyton came out his junior year he wanted a guarantee the Tuna would take him with the first pick in the 97 draft. Parcells said he would coach for 3 years and didn't want to deal with a rookie QB and the rest is history..

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;4501079]He wanted to make sure Peyton went to a team and HC that he approved of just like he did with Eli.. If Peyton came out his junior year he wanted a guarantee the Tuna would take him with the first pick in the 97 draft. Parcells said he would coach for 3 years and didn't want to deal with a rookie QB and the rest is history..[/QUOTE]

    So Archie has to approve of the HC and Parcells wants to keep his options open somehow this is Parcells fault?

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    [QUOTE=GuidoYaztremski;4501049]Is this a joke? The Lisa Olsen incident occurred in 1990 just a few years after women reporters were allowed to enter an NFL locker room. A few players accused her of being a 'looker' who was there to look at naked men while not interviewing anyone. They then harassed her (mostly Mowatt) and it created a firestorm. Rightly so, although over 20 years ago people weren't as sensitive to sexual harassment issues as they are today. I, and each one of my friends, remember that, as well as Hodson, Kiam, and hell, even before that with Rod Rust and Billy Sullivan.

    Now get off your high horse because your proud organization had it's own Olsen incident, [U]not even two years ago[/U]. Ines Sainz ring any bells?

    Talk about a pfail post.:rolleyes: What a load of crap.


    Careful dude. Your glass house is in shards.[/QUOTE]
    You are actually comparing the Lisa Olsen incident to Ines Sainz?
    Why did Woody Johnson come out and call Ines Sainz a "classic b!tch" after the incident?

    Please there is no comparison.

    And if you claim to go back to the Billy Sullivan days then you know Foxboro was empty between 1985-1993 and anyone could get game tickets the day of the game at the box office...and pretty good seats i may add, because Boston fans back then were rooting for the Giants and Cowboys and would never admit to rooting for the Pats.

    When was the last time a Jet home game was blacked out or which current Jet Fans were previously fans of another team back in the lean years?

    Yeah, thats what i thought.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4501091]

    When was the last time a Jet home game was blacked out or which current Jet Fans were previously fans of another team back in the lean years?

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    [B][SIZE="3"]Unthinkable Has Occurred: Jets and Giants Donít Sell Out[/SIZE][/B]

    By RICHARD SANDOMIR

    Published: September 14, 2010

    When the Jets and the Giants decided to build New Meadowlands Stadium, they stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, dwarfing the 400 to 500 that each team sold for a relative pittance at Giants Stadium.

    The New Meadowlands Stadium is stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, which were not sold out in time for the teamsí opening games.

    But not all those club seats sold out in time for the Giantsí opening game on Sunday and the Jetsí opener on Monday night. They were clustered in a prominent part of the 82,500-seat stadium, so the empty sections made the teamsí failure to sell out glaring.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/football/15tickets.html[/url]

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4501097][B][SIZE="3"]Unthinkable Has Occurred: Jets and Giants Donít Sell Out[/SIZE][/B]

    By RICHARD SANDOMIR

    Published: September 14, 2010

    When the Jets and the Giants decided to build New Meadowlands Stadium, they stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, dwarfing the 400 to 500 that each team sold for a relative pittance at Giants Stadium.

    The New Meadowlands Stadium is stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, which were not sold out in time for the teamsí opening games.

    But not all those club seats sold out in time for the Giantsí opening game on Sunday and the Jetsí opener on Monday night. They were clustered in a prominent part of the 82,500-seat stadium, so the empty sections made the teamsí failure to sell out glaring.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/football/15tickets.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    I don't recall either game being blacked out?

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4501088]So Archie has to approve of the HC and Parcells wants to keep his options open somehow this is Parcells fault?[/QUOTE]

    Archie wanted Peyton to go to the Jets with the Tuna the Tuna didn't want Peyton. So the Tuna is the reason the jets didn't get Manning but if you want to blame Archie anyway feel free..

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4501103]I don't recall either game being blacked out?[/QUOTE]

    That's because the Jets paid a fortune to buy up all the unsold seats.

    [B][SIZE="3"]Neil Best Reports Jets Wonít Be Blacked Out[/SIZE][/B]

    by Bassett on May 13th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    While itís recently been reported that the Jets ticket situation might cause a blackout, Neil Best of Newsday reports that itís not going to happen Ö that the Jets will eat whatever doesnít get bought.

    With thousands of seats still to sell, the Jets could face the prospect of a stadium speckled with empty, gray seats when they open against the Ravens Sept. 13.

    There is one thing fans need not worry about, though: Whatever the state of personal seat license sales four months from now, they will be able to watch their team on ESPN that Monday night.

    The Jets have no intention of allowing their home games to be blacked out, even if it means writing a check to make the problem go away.

    A person familiar with the teamís plans said Wednesday if they have to the Jets will employ a loophole in the blackout rule that allows a team to pay the NFL the visiting teamís share of unsold tickets.

    That figure is 34 percent of the face value Ė a potentially expensive bill but one the Jets are prepared to pay.

    The question, of course, is whether it will come to that. And on that point, the Jets are adamant. They insist it wonít.

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4500999]Parcells changed the entire culture around the organization. He brought the team back to respectability. I am forever grateful and a big fan of his. Archie Manning cost us Peyton not Parcells.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly! Daddy Manning was pulling the strings with Peyton and also with the Eli/San Diego mess. Parcells did nothing for this franchise except make us relevant again and a winner. Coming out of the Kotite error, he was a godsend and fans of this team should be eternally grateful for Parcells. Blame Leon Hess for dying as the reason why Bellichick took the Pats job, not Parcells.

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;4501106]Archie wanted Peyton to go to the Jets with the Tuna the Tuna didn't want Peyton. So the Tuna is the reason the jets didn't get Manning but if you want to blame Archie anyway feel free..[/QUOTE]

    What if draft day another team offers Parcells a monster deal for the pick? He has to say no because Archie strong armed him? In retrospect Parcell's decision sucks but you cannot blame him for keeping his options open. And I can guarantee you one thing. Not a single Jets fan gave a damn about Peyton on January 17, 1999 when the Jets were getting ready to square off against the Broncos in the AFCCG. Its very easy to be a Monday morning QB.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4501097][B][SIZE="3"]Unthinkable Has Occurred: Jets and Giants Donít Sell Out[/SIZE][/B]

    By RICHARD SANDOMIR

    Published: September 14, 2010

    When the Jets and the Giants decided to build New Meadowlands Stadium, they stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, dwarfing the 400 to 500 that each team sold for a relative pittance at Giants Stadium.

    The New Meadowlands Stadium is stocked it with 10,000 expensive club seats, which were not sold out in time for the teamsí opening games.

    But not all those club seats sold out in time for the Giantsí opening game on Sunday and the Jetsí opener on Monday night. They were clustered in a prominent part of the 82,500-seat stadium, so the empty sections made the teamsí failure to sell out glaring.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/football/15tickets.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    One major difference being the Pats back then couldnt sell out cheap ****ty metal bleacher seats.

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;4501106]Archie wanted Peyton to go to the Jets with the Tuna the Tuna didn't want Peyton. So the Tuna is the reason the jets didn't get Manning but if you want to blame Archie anyway feel free..[/QUOTE]

    What Parcells wanted was picks; that's what you're saying, right, John? ;)

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    [QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;4501124]What Parcells wanted was picks; that's what you're saying, right, John? ;)[/QUOTE]

    He didn't want a rookie QB he wanted to trade down and get picks right you are Fred me boy..:yes:

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;4501091]You are actually comparing the Lisa Olsen incident to Ines Sainz?
    Why did Woody Johnson come out and call Ines Sainz a "classic b!tch" after the incident?

    Please there is no comparison.

    And if you claim to go back to the Billy Sullivan days then you know Foxboro was empty between 1985-1993 and anyone could get game tickets the day of the game at the box office...and pretty good seats i may add, because Boston fans back then were rooting for the Giants and Cowboys and would never admit to rooting for the Pats.

    When was the last time a Jet home game was blacked out or which current Jet Fans were previously fans of another team back in the lean years?

    Yeah, thats what i thought.[/QUOTE]

    Is your point that Victor Kiam was a buffoon? Okay. Sure. The Pats were horrible for some years, 20 or so years ago? Ditto. What's that got to do with anything today? And it's okay that the Jets did the same thing, just two years ago with Inez because Woody kept his mouth shut?

    It's been an historic run these past 11 seasons (and they had a few good ones here and there before that too). So yes, with great success comes a certain amount of fair weather fans. Judging by the empty seats in your stadium by the 4th quarter in many games I wouldn't be calling any fans out for being fair weathered.

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    [QUOTE=Brooklyn Jet;4501121]One major difference being the Pats back then couldnt sell out cheap ****ty metal bleacher seats.[/QUOTE]

    The Pats haven't had a non-sellout since 1993.

    And unlike the Jets, the Pats haven't spent one dime buying up thousands of unsold tickets to prevent a blackout.

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4501088]So Archie has to approve of the HC and Parcells wants to keep his options open somehow [B]this is Parcells fault?[/B][/QUOTE]
    Sure it is. In that situation Archie was holding all the cards and Parcells refused to play ball. No harm, no foul unless you would have liked to see Peyton spend his career with the Jets in which case Parcells blew one of the greatest NFL opportunities of all time.

    Whether or not you feel that Archie should have had that kind of power to begin with might make for an interesting conversation but in the end it is neither here nor there. He DID have that kind of power and rest is history.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4501146]The Pats haven't had a non-sellout since 1993.[/QUOTE]

    Right thanks for proving my point.
    1993 is when Parcells took over and thats when the "new Pats fans" came on board.
    How many sellouts did the Pats have from 1985-1993?
    I bet you could count them on one hand, maybe 2.

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    [QUOTE=petejet;4500999]Parcells changed the entire culture around the organization. He brought the team back to respectability. I am forever grateful and a big fan of his. Archie Manning cost us Peyton not Parcells.[/QUOTE]

    +1

    Absolutely. Bill Parcells is the second-most important Jet after Joe Namath, maybe third after Weeb Eubank.

    What so many fans (especially young ones) fail to realize is that the last 15 years have been the most consistent and playoff-potent we have ever had. Taking out the 3 seasons decimated by the loss of our starting QB, we've averaged 9.5 wins per season on the back of the foundation that Bill Parcells laid from Testaverde to Martin to Tannenbaum.

    SAR I

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