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    Sobering Review of Shonn Greene

    I have long defended Greene on the board here and feel he gets an unfair rap from fans and while I think this review is a bit over the top with the negativity, a lot of it does seem to explain some of green's weaknesses.

    This was posted on rotoworld by one of their NFL guys....

    [B]Jets running back Shonn Greene[/B]

    For Greene's game reviews, I made sure to pick heavy-workload affairs that might offer polar viewpoints. I chose Week 14 against Kansas City -- Greene's best box score of the season -- and Week 6 versus Miami -- a difficult matchup in which Greene struggled on 22 touches. As a cherry on top, I watched Greene's Week 3 game at Oakland because he caught a season-high seven passes.

    On the very first snap of the Chiefs game, Greene followed FB John Conner's lead block into a massive chunk of open grass. Greene rumbled 31 yards, although he left many more on the field by running squarely into CB Brandon Carr, and finally ILB Derrick Johnson, who pushed Greene out of bounds. This would easily go down as Greene's longest run in the three games I viewed.

    For a power back listed at 226, Greene only occasionally moves the pile on his own. He's far too often tackled directly at the line of scrimmage. Greene can be tough to bring down in space, but he rarely gets there, lacking any hint of lateral moves and possessing below-average short-area burst.

    No one would argue that the Jets' O-Line is as effective as it was in its heyday. But in the Kansas City matchup in particular, the front five generated solid movement in the run game. Greene left a ton of yardage on the field by failing to recognize cutback lanes or hit them with purpose when he did. He has remarkably slow feet for a running back, and Greene's poor vision is just as worrisome.

    Greene certainly lacks speed to get the corner. He must have creases up the gut to create solid gains.

    I charted every third-down snap in the Dolphins and Chiefs games. There were 24 of them. LaDainian Tomlinson operated as a single-set back on 21. Greene was the lone back twice. And then-rookie Bilal Powell took a carry on third-and-11 for the last one.

    Greene pass blocked on just three occasions in the two later-season contests -- late in the second quarter of the Chiefs game, again in the third quarter, and one time against Miami. Just once did Greene effectively handle a pass rusher. He took safety Reshad Jones out of a play in the Miami game.

    I admittedly entered these games viewing Greene as a pedestrian talent. He was even worse than I expected. Greene's positives are few. He does look the part at 5-foot-11, 220-plus and can be hard to tackle with a full head of steam. But because he sees the field so poorly and takes so long to hit top speed, I'd hesitate to even call Greene a back who "gets what's blocked." He gets less than that.

    The Jets under GM Mike Tannenbaum have done a putrid job of evaluating offensive talent within their own organization. Greene and swinging-gate right tackle Wayne Hunter are prime examples of what will likely prove franchise-dooming incompetency. Both players are slated for starting roles in 2012.

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    I'll need Statz® to weigh in on this before I make any conclusions.

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    I agree with most of this. I don't think Greene is a good every-down back, he doesn't have the vision for it.
    He's the type of guy you ideally want to get 10-15 carries on a good day when he can come in fresh late in the game and wear a defense out.

    Let's hope Joe McKnight can become a more complete back. The run game should really be seen as a 3-headed monster of Greene-Tebow-McKnight

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    Greene isn't that bad, not that good either, kinda of average overall.

    He is young and cheap, that helps his case quite a bit.

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    I really liked him as a potential star after his rookie year..... He was the most productive running back in the playoffs his rookie year.... That run he made in San Diego was awesome...

    I still think he can be a feature RB... my biggest concern with him is his conditioning......

    In a split carry system, he is ideal... As a feature back, he needs to be in better physical condition IMO.

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    this is from Evan Silva, notorious Jet-hating doosh.

    that being said, Greene has pfailed to deliver on the promise of his rookie season and has yet to prove that he's a reliable, legit starting RB.

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    Green can't catch the rock and has no feel for the recieving part of the game. He does not have the type of moves that makes defenders miss. I agree with the OP that he is an average talent. The ground and pound doesn't work well with pedestrian runners. I think the Jets made a big mistake not acquiring a more dynamic runner in the offseason. I am holding out hope that someone emerges in training camp that can split the reps with him.

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    My problem with him is I don't see him break tackles enough, we have actually been last in the league with our guys breaking tackles or making defenders miss. Sometimes he showed the ability, but hes not consistent enough. I hope he steps up and is a beast.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4500745]I'll need Statz® to weigh in on this before I make any conclusions.[/QUOTE]

    Me too.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4500745]I'll need Statz® to weigh in on this before I make any conclusions.[/QUOTE]

    I need to change my vote on the banning pole....

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    Umm I read the article twice...

    And all I can say is somehow and I do mean is somehow this is all Sanchez's fault!!!

    Am I right or what.........:P

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    I don't get it? We're striving to be a ground and pound team again yet our front office leaves a gaping hole at RT (Hunter) and expects us to go a full season with a RB (Greene) that wouldn't start on 28 other NFL teams let alone be an every down RB.

    It's obvious we have a defensive coordinator running our team. :huh:

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    [QUOTE=k.Rhodes25;4500771]My problem with him is I don't see him break tackles enough, we have actually been last in the league with our guys breaking tackles or making defenders miss. Sometimes he showed the ability, but hes not consistent enough. I hope he steps up and is a beast.[/QUOTE]

    Didn't he look bigger last year? I kept wondering if he was too fat to run fast through the hole last year. (Then again, the hole was never that big last year because of the line's play.)

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    Never thought he was a special player, he really doesn't excel at anything.

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    [QUOTE=KingofNY;4500802]I don't get it? We're striving to be a ground and pound team again yet our front office leaves a gaping hole at RT (Hunter) and expects us to go a full season with a RB (Greene) that wouldn't start on 28 other NFL teams let alone be an every down RB.

    It's obvious we have a defensive coordinator running our team. :huh:[/QUOTE]


    Nice post... but...


    [B]Come on man your post makes to much sense. The fault must be Sanchez's.....[/B]

    See when you say that over and over again you feel much better at least some of us seem to.....

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    [QUOTE=Dirtstar;4500767]this is from Evan Silva, notorious Jet-hating doosh.

    that being said, Greene has pfailed to deliver on the promise of his rookie season and has yet to prove that he's a reliable, legit starting RB.[/QUOTE]

    I've been reading Rotoworld for about 3 years now, and it has been very helpful not just for fantasy football but for actual football as well. Obviously, those two things don't necessarily go hand in hand. I've been following Silva for about 8-10 months now.

    He's an extremely bright guy and knows his football, but he comes off as a Jets basher to me too. His tweets usually have a subtle jab at the Jets or give them virtually no credit. Not that this is an isolated incident, but here's a convo I had with him on twitter:

    [U][I]Evan Silva ‏@evansilva[/I][/U]
    #Jets loading up on box safeties for 46 D. #Patriots quick-hit pass game designed perfectly to pick that apart. Long year coming in NYJ.

    [U][I]@OedipusRexRyan[/I][/U]
    @evansilva That's the way to beat the 46, but I haven't seen anything in past to suggest they run it vs NE. Typically only put 6 or 7 in box

    [U][I]Evan Silva ‏@evansilva[/I][/U]
    they drop 8 into coverage and get creamed on the ground. "adjustments" have worked terribly vs pats


    I didn't have enough characters/time to reply, but while the Pats did abuse the Jets with that in Week 5 on the kill clock drive to end the game, it was also the same strategy the Jets employed to annihilate the Pats in the playoffs the year before. Watching the Jets/Pats rivalry, it certainly is a cat and mouse game between Belichick & Ryan. In Week 5, the Pats caught the Jets in with their passing down personnel in the front seven (guys like Dixon and Westerman) and went no huddle and continuously ran the ball.

    What I wanted to reply to him was "That's exactly why they drafted guys like Wilkerson and Coples the past few years -- versatile guys that could play all three downs as opposed to specialists like DeVito, Pitoitua, Dixon, Westerman, etc." Now it's time for Ryan to respond to Belichick's moves from last year. I just found it kind of douchey for him to say "Long season for NYJ" just because in his opinion the Jets defense won't match up with the Pats offense. It's probably true, but pretty much every team struggles with the Pats offense, and I'm quite confident that the Jets defense will perform admirably in the other 14 games. The long season comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

    Anyway, ranting over...I do agree with his assessment of Shonn Greene. He has very little instincts as a runner. What boggles my mind, however, is that Greene's initial burst is nonexistent now. Perhaps it is due to him being the lead back and taking bumps and bruises, but I don't get it. In 2009, I thought he had an outstanding initial burst for a power back and some of his best runs were stretch plays to the outside. He seemed to turn the corner at will and his burst was much stronger than Jones's even thought Jones was better at pushing the pile and finding the right creases to run through.

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    Greene is a good RB, some are undervaluing and under estimating him. He might not have the star ability of a Peterson or Forte, but most teams don't have a 1 RB system, I like the balance and versatility of the Jets RB's. If McKnight takes off this year, and we get contribution from either Powell or Ganaway, no reason this unit can't be amongst the best in football.

    The key to Greene taking the next step will be his pass receiving ability and his pass protection.
    Last edited by Ray Ray19; 06-25-2012 at 11:36 PM.

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    He is average. My only real problem with him, and it is a big one, is his seeming desire to fall down. He goes down on or before first contact with alarming regularity. If he sees a hit coming or gets hit, down he goes. You never see him pumping his legs and breaking tackles or getting extra yards. That is a big deal to me. If he leaves 1 yard on the field with each run, that could add up over the course of a year and I think he leaves a lot more than that most plays.

    Hope he is great this year and we go to and win the Superbowl, but not sure about him doing it.

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    This position is my biggest concern this year. Even a little more than free safety, and RT. We need McKnight, and Ganaway to both step up if we are going to set up this offense. I think the holes will be there with the new scheme, and I really don't trust Greene to find them. I also thought he seemed slower than his rookie year. A big concern of mine is blitz pick ups. I love McKnight's potential, but I don't trust him in protection, and I'm afraid opponents, will keep bring the heat until he proves he can handle it. I would still like to pick up a veteran.

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    It's a sobering analysis when he's expected to lead the running game and be a factor in setting up the pass in this new offense.

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