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Thread: Sobering Review of Shonn Greene

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    Ground and pound baby! Can't wait for the rubber to meet the road! :yes:

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4500823]Greene is a good RB, some are undervaluing and under estimating him. He might not have the star ability of a Peterson or Forte, but most teams don't have a 1 RB system, I like the balance and versatility of the Jets RB's. If McKnight takes off this year, and we get contribution from either Powell or Ganaway, no reason this unit can't be amongst the best in football.

    The key to Greene taking the next step will be his pass receiving ability and his pass protection.[/QUOTE]
    Agreed. The dude has had some good games for us, particularly the SD playoff game. However his conditioning and consistency leave a bit to be desired. Perhaps Sparano's flogging of the O in OTA's and TC will rejuvenate him, as well the threat of the other RB's including Ganaway

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    so, on further review, it turns out that this "objective piece" by an unnamed author was actually written by evan silva, a jet hating douche with the same level of objectivity about the Jets as say, PatsfanTX and GuidoBannedstremski combined.


    case dismissed


    On a serious note, though.... Greene's (and Tomlinson's) two years with the Jets were, as were most everything on the offense, screwed up royally by our moron Son of Marty's offensive designs for them...

    Tomlinson should have been used ONLY as the passing down receiver out of the backfield back (or on rare occasions as a change of pace back when Greene needed a blow for a series). Instead the Offensive Boy Idiot decided that Tomlinson would be used as a heavy duty every other series all downs back running power run plays between the tackles on first and second down

    This moronic game plan left the Jets at third and six on about 75 percent of the series in which it was used and managed to seriously damage the production of BOTH Tomlinson and Greene

    Fortunately the Mongoloid has departed to ruin the careers of Sam Bradford, Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and so has Tomlinson. This will leave Shonn Greene in an excellent position to become the every down ground and pound back that he showed he could and should be in the postseason vs the Bengals and Chargers when he took over for Thomas Two Yards in the season before the arrival of Tomlinson

    another huge ADDITION by the subtraction of Schottenheimer

    as for silva, he'll continue to wear his flying elvis logo underroos and write more patfan garbage regardless of what happens

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    [QUOTE=sg3;4500876]so, on further review, it turns out that this "objective piece" by an unnamed author was actually written by evan silva, a jet hating douche with the same level of objectivity about the Jets as say, PatsfanTX and GuidoBannedstremski combined.


    case dismissed


    On a serious note, though.... Greene's (and Tomlinson's) two years with the Jets were, as were most everything on the offense, screwed up royally by our moron Son of Marty's offensive designs for them...

    Tomlinson should have been used ONLY as the passing down receiver out of the backfield back (or on rare occasions as a change of pace back when Greene needed a blow for a series). Instead the Offensive Boy Idiot decided that Tomlinson would be used as a heavy duty every other series all downs back running power run plays between the tackles on first and second down

    This moronic game plan left the Jets at third and six on about 75 percent of the series in which it was used and managed to seriously damage the production of BOTH Tomlinson and Greene

    Fortunately the Mongoloid has departed to ruin the careers of Sam Bradford, Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and so has Tomlinson. This will leave Shonn Greene in an excellent position to become the every down ground and pound back that he showed he could and should be in the postseason vs the Bengals and Chargers when he took over for Thomas Two Yards in the season before the arrival of Tomlinson

    another huge ADDITION by the subtraction of Schottenheimer

    as for silva, he'll continue to wear his flying elvis logo underroos and write more patfan garbage regardless of what happens[/QUOTE]

    Schotty went to the Ram-Chiefs? That's a news bulletin.

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;4500823]Greene is a good RB, some are undervaluing and under estimating him. He might not have the star ability of a Peterson or Forte, but most teams don't have a 1 RB system, I like the balance and versatility of the Jets RB's. If McKnight takes off this year, and we get contribution from either Powell or Ganaway, no reason this unit can't be amongst the best in football.

    The key to Greene taking the next step will be his pass receiving ability and his pass protection.[/QUOTE]

    Versatility do you know the meaning Ray.

    ver·sa·tile (vūrs-tl, -tl)
    adj.
    1. Capable of doing many things competently.
    2. Having varied uses or serving many functions: "The most versatile of vegetables is the tomato" (Craig Claiborne).
    3. Variable or inconstant; changeable: a versatile temperamen


    That is definitely not a word I would use to subscribe Jets rb committee .

    The Jets Rbs for the most part can do one thing very well. Greene, Powell and ganaway are basically the same type of runner. How is that versatile when a defense can predict what Jets are going to do by the personnel they have in there. Where is that home run threat that can score from anywhere when ever he touches the football.(whether it's a pass or run) Where are the multiple Rb's that can run, block, and catch the football equally well.

    JMO Not a knock but for this Jet RB committee to be near the top they would need that OLine playing at extremely high level. That Jet Rb committee isn't the most talented one out there.


    BTW Jets Rb committee only hope is Joe Mcknight. He the only Rb that capable of being that versatile threat out of the backfield. Can he raise his all round game to that next level. The Jets can't have him take this year off . No one on the roster can possible add what he can add potentially to the running back committee.
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    [QUOTE=Rexipus Rex;4500818]I've been reading Rotoworld for about 3 years now, and it has been very helpful not just for fantasy football but for actual football as well. Obviously, those two things don't necessarily go hand in hand. I've been following Silva for about 8-10 months now.

    He's an extremely bright guy and knows his football, but he comes off as a Jets basher to me too. His tweets usually have a subtle jab at the Jets or give them virtually no credit. Not that this is an isolated incident, but here's a convo I had with him on twitter:

    [U][I]Evan Silva ‏@evansilva[/I][/U]
    #Jets loading up on box safeties for 46 D. #Patriots quick-hit pass game designed perfectly to pick that apart. Long year coming in NYJ.

    [U][I]@OedipusRexRyan[/I][/U]
    @evansilva That's the way to beat the 46, but I haven't seen anything in past to suggest they run it vs NE. Typically only put 6 or 7 in box

    [U][I]Evan Silva ‏@evansilva[/I][/U]
    they drop 8 into coverage and get creamed on the ground. "adjustments" have worked terribly vs pats


    I didn't have enough characters/time to reply, but while the Pats did abuse the Jets with that in Week 5 on the kill clock drive to end the game, it was also the same strategy the Jets employed to annihilate the Pats in the playoffs the year before. Watching the Jets/Pats rivalry, it certainly is a cat and mouse game between Belichick & Ryan. In Week 5, the Pats caught the Jets in with their passing down personnel in the front seven (guys like Dixon and Westerman) and went no huddle and continuously ran the ball.

    What I wanted to reply to him was "That's exactly why they drafted guys like Wilkerson and Coples the past few years -- versatile guys that could play all three downs as opposed to specialists like DeVito, Pitoitua, Dixon, Westerman, etc." Now it's time for Ryan to respond to Belichick's moves from last year. I just found it kind of douchey for him to say "Long season for NYJ" just because in his opinion the Jets defense won't match up with the Pats offense. It's probably true, but pretty much every team struggles with the Pats offense, and I'm quite confident that the Jets defense will perform admirably in the other 14 games. The long season comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

    Anyway, ranting over...I do agree with his assessment of Shonn Greene. He has very little instincts as a runner. What boggles my mind, however, is that Greene's initial burst is nonexistent now. Perhaps it is due to him being the lead back and taking bumps and bruises, but I don't get it. [B]In 2009, I thought he had an outstanding initial burst for a power back and some of his best runs were stretch plays to the outside. He seemed to turn the corner at will and his burst was much stronger than Jones's [/B]even thought Jones was better at pushing the pile and finding the right creases to run through.[/QUOTE]


    Exactly. Guess he's another Lamont Jordan, the more he's used the more exposed he gets. Like others have said, it's one thing to be a finisher when Defenses are tired.

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4500904]Exactly. Guess he's another Lamont Jordan, the more he's used the more exposed he gets. Like others have said, it's one thing to be a finisher when Defenses are tired.[/QUOTE]

    Yea but posters out here swore that Jordan was Jim Brown and only the HC was holding him back........

    Same as now people are swearing Greene is a feature back when he is not and once again we have posters blaming the coaching staff..... :rolleyes:

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    Honestly ... This review is spot on. Greene was fresh and hungry as a rookie. His lack of vision is the most alarming flaw in his game. That and his inability to break any sort of tackle, or complete lack of any sort of quickness. So I guess we have two positions without a clear no. 1 ... WR and RB.
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    Greene's decline is not b.c of Sanchez. Greene is Sanchez.

    He is a complimentary player. Put a Pro Bowl line in front of him and he will play well.

    2009 playoffs were a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.

    He is slow. Not durable. Not a good blocker. Not a good pass catcher. But if you give him a gaping hole to run through he can do that.
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    The article is pretty accurate. Greene is an average one dimensional RB. He offers little in the passing game, and does not posses break away speed. He is best suited as a complimentary #2 back to a more complete well rounded back.

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    Greene is a third-round pick, probably doing what he should be doing for a third-round pick. Averaging 4.3 ypc on his career and didn't lose a fumble (just put the ball on the ground once) on 283 touches (253 rushing) last season. He might not have the best vision or footwork, but he wasn't a first rounder. He is a good ball-control offense running back. Can he hit the home run? not as often as we'd like, but he can and has.

    And thank you Silva for reviewing a whole 3 games to judge players. Got a ways to go, kid

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    [QUOTE=BamaJets;4500922]Greene is a third-round pick, probably doing what he should be doing for a third-round pick.[/QUOTE]

    I see what you are saying but the RB position has changed. This is a league where undrafted guys are Pro Bowlers. 3rd round is relatively high for a RB these days.

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    Greene is in his contract year and has a new o coordinator. I expect him to have his best season and be a nice surprise for us this year.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4500925]I see what you are saying but the RB position has changed. This is a league where undrafted guys are Pro Bowlers. 3rd round is relatively high for a RB these days.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe Arian Foster and Michael Turner are some late round or undrafted workhorses, but most of the backs who continually lead the league in rushing and carries are 1st and 2nd rounders.

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    This guy is spot on with his observations of Greene and especially Hunter. He is also spot on with the Jets poor track record when it comes to the Offensive side of the ball.

    He also forgot to add Sanchez to this list. Sanchez will be done by week 8. He is the 21st century Richard Todd, but Todd was better.

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    Greene is not terrible. It is just that he really isn't all that great either. So long as he stays healthy (big if) then he is serviceable enough until a real running back comes along. He is certainly way better than anyone else we currently have on the roster.

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    [QUOTE=BamaJets;4500932]Maybe Arian Foster and Michael Turner are some late round or undrafted workhorses, but most of the backs who continually lead the league in rushing and carries are 1st and 2nd rounders.[/QUOTE]

    He was the first pick in the third round, the Jets moved up to get him. I think they expected more from Greene than what they have got. Again, he is very average and ordinary, not a bust, but nothing exceptional or special about him.

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    ... greene has been a middle of the road 1st & 2nd down rb ... like sanchez he's had some good & some not so good games ... having him in on 1st & 2nd down is not a weakness but not going to make opposing defenses not be able to sleep at night either ... i am excited to see if the shotty-sparano change impacts his performance this season ...












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    [QUOTE=sec.101row23;4500945]He was the first pick in the third round, the Jets moved up to get him. I think they expected more from Greene than what they have got. Again, he is very average and ordinary, not a bust, but nothing exceptional or special about him.[/QUOTE]

    Certainly not a bust. I guess the Jets did expect more or they probably would have sat down and tried to work out an extension like they do with most of their pending FAs.

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    [QUOTE=srobjets;4500933]This guy is spot on with his observations of Greene and especially Hunter. He is also spot on with the Jets poor track record when it comes to the Offensive side of the ball.

    He also forgot to add Sanchez to this list. Sanchez will be done by week 8. He is the 21st century Richard Todd, but Todd was better.[/QUOTE]

    Kind of makes you wonder if maybe...just maybe it isn't the scouts that somehow can't pick offensive players as well as defensive, but that the defensive coach/scheme was better. Hmmm...makes you think

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