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    Sal P calls out the Jets drafting over the last 5 years.

    Pretty good interview overall, the Jets topic comes around the 10:00 mark.

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media...2-fe568e6e071c


    Basically saying we haven't drafted enough young players, we cooked at WR, and we're aging too fast and leaning on FAs. A few words on Defense too.


    He saying alot of what i agree with. No depth at WR (edwards) and no talent at RB (greene stinks)

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    Wow! Shonn greene has become the whipping boy around here pretty fast. Greene stinks??? Thats just silly. Is he elite??? No. But just look who made the super bowl last year. Neither team had an elite back. Its all about the qb my friend. The team will only go as far as the qb takes them. The rb is not the issue.

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    Thats what happens when you have among the least number of picks in the league over a span.

    I said it after the draft that the 2012 draft will be the best since 2007.

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    so let's see, the tuna leaves and puts groh then edwards in charge. the jets have some pretty bad draft picks and free agents under bradway/edwards. by the time mangini came on board there wasn't much left yet he managed a 500 or so record. for the past few drafts, the jets have done fairly well even though they've traded up. the gholston pick hurt bad as well as picks like the boarhunter but they also made it to the championship game twice. not bad success for an oldy/moldy team. this year they kept the draft pick and are building from the inside out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Wow! Shonn greene has become the whipping boy around here pretty fast. Greene stinks??? Thats just silly. Is he elite??? No. But just look who made the super bowl last year. Neither team had an elite back. Its all about the qb my friend. The team will only go as far as the qb takes them. The rb is not the issue.
    I would generally agree with you, except when an offense is purported to be "ground and pound". That would highly elevate the importance of the feature back, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Wow! Shonn greene has become the whipping boy around here pretty fast. Greene stinks??? Thats just silly. Is he elite??? No. But just look who made the super bowl last year. Neither team had an elite back. Its all about the qb my friend. The team will only go as far as the qb takes them. The rb is not the issue.
    Robert Meachem has a better YAC than Greene

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    The jets went for a quick fix and it brought them to the playoffs for two straight years but now has left them older and poorer than what they want to be. No news there.

    Now they have to re-tool the hard way and they started doing that this off season.

    Next off season The LB group will most likely be gutted and replaced. Scott, Thomas, Pace will all be replaced. This will most likely result in a much quicker
    and better pass coverage unit. This change over started with Davis this year.

    This is a pivotal year for the jets oline, Slausen, Moore and Hunter need to be resigned or replaced next off season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    I would generally agree with you, except when an offense is purported to be "ground and pound". That would highly elevate the importance of the feature back, no?
    It would be nice to have a little more speed, but the guy holds onto the ball. That is critical if your going to go on 3 or more 12 play drives a game. He is good enough to keep Sanchez out of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    Pretty good interview overall, the Jets topic comes around the 10:00 mark.

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media...2-fe568e6e071c


    Basically saying we haven't drafted enough young players, we cooked at WR, and we're aging too fast and leaning on FAs. A few words on Defense too.


    He saying alot of what i agree with. No depth at WR (edwards) and no talent at RB (greene stinks)
    My favorite topic to debate...

    Yet another journalist that reaps success off of lazy journalism

    1. Jets are aging - Jets have one of the younger rosters in the NFL, the core of the team is young, all under 28. The argument about the Jets not drafting enough young players is an extremely lazy statement. First, the Jets have traded draft picks for players like Jenkins, Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards, and moving up in the draft for players like Revis, Sanchez, Greene, and Keller. You can now add Tebow to the list. If not for Jenkins' health, and then Edwards DUI and subsequent health, all of these players were quality pick-ups or draft picks that helped create the core of the team or equip the roster with top
    talent. All of this severely deters the notion that the Jets haven't drafted enough. Every year is a chore to build a roster, the moves are made based on players available in FA and/or the draft, and sometimes, trading picks for a player or to draft a certain player based on a team's draft board is a critical piece of the puzzle, and journalists usually don't include all the factors.

    2. Leaning on FA's... Right now, this year's roster in 2012, what FA are the Jets leaning on to validate Sal P's statement? A quick run through of the list, Scott, Pace, Landry, Bell, who else? Another lazy statement. Every team is equipped with players through the draft, undrafted players, who the Jets have several, or young players picked up from other teams who were high draft picks, or considered very good players coming out of the draft that the Jets didn't necessarily draft or sign, players like Devito, Maybin, Cumberland, Schillens, and potentially Sapp and maybe Patrick Turner, all players who figure to have prominent roles on the team this year.

    All the talent at RB is THROUGH the draft, so how can the Jets be criticized for not drafting young talent?

    If Edwards doesn't get the DUI, and doesn't get hurt, and doesn't fall out of favor in the locker room, he'd quite possibly still be on the team.

    I just don't get the criticism against the Jets on this topic.

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    Since Rex has been here the Jets have not drafted well at all and most of the free agents have not lived up to the hype. The Jets will have to replace at least 5 starters on D (Pace, Thomas, Scott,Smith Devito) and at least 4 starters on O(Hunter, Moore, Slaussen,Greene) not including in this are Sanchez and Holmes. Way too many holes being filled with over payed, slow and old players.

    Can we say rebuilding. The Jets took their shot with the moves in Rex's first two seasons, with the win it now attitude. Now they need to rebuild. 8-8 is a stretch and most of these players will be gone by the end of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srobjets View Post
    Since Rex has been here the Jets have not drafted well at all and most of the free agents have not lived up to the hype. The Jets will have to replace at least 5 starters on D (Pace, Thomas, Scott,Smith Devito) and at least 4 starters on O(Hunter, Moore, Slaussen,Greene) not including in this are Sanchez and Holmes. Way too many holes being filled with over payed, slow and old players.

    Can we say rebuilding. The Jets took their shot with the moves in Rex's first two seasons, with the win it now attitude. Now they need to rebuild. 8-8 is a stretch and most of these players will be gone by the end of the season.


    I don't know where to start, to say you are uninformed is an understatement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Wow! Shonn greene has become the whipping boy around here pretty fast. Greene stinks??? Thats just silly. Is he elite??? No. The rb is not the issue.
    It is really interesting how this board has recently blown off S.Greene...I predict that we have one MAJOR O-Line FA signing in the next 60 days, and then Greene has a great year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Wow! Shonn greene has become the whipping boy around here pretty fast. Greene stinks??? Thats just silly. Is he elite??? No. But just look who made the super bowl last year. Neither team had an elite back. Its all about the qb my friend. The team will only go as far as the qb takes them. The rb is not the issue.
    AGREED. Shonn Greene is not an elite back by any stretch, but he is a very serviceable back. What's even better is that with the Jets RB by committee approach, it allows Shonn Greene to stay fresh for the playoffs. When Greene hits the playoffs? He becomes the war machine. That is a VERY good thing to have.

    What do we consistently hear about this game we love?

    Teams that can run the ball in the playoffs usually go deep into the playoffs. Shonn Greene gives us that ability.

    I think the teams needs another serviceable back that compliment Greene's power running style. It's possible we may already have that compliment on the roster. We'll just have to see about that. That's been the Jets system and it has worked like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    Pretty good interview overall, the Jets topic comes around the 10:00 mark.

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media...2-fe568e6e071c


    Basically saying we haven't drafted enough young players, we cooked at WR, and we're aging too fast and leaning on FAs. A few words on Defense too.


    He saying alot of what i agree with. No depth at WR (edwards) and no talent at RB (greene stinks)
    What the frig does Edwards have to do with this conversation?

    Love these idiotic off season articles by so called experts

    Jets win 1, 1 more game, make the playoffs and no one is saying a word about drafts, age, depth.

    Bottom line, there is no guarantee that if they used those picks that they would have won more, or the same number of games.

    Just the usual stroke yourself piece by a writer.
    Last edited by Jet Nut; 07-03-2012 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    AGREED. Shonn Greene is not an elite back by any stretch, but he is a very serviceable back. What's even better is that with the Jets RB by committee approach, it allows Shonn Greene to stay fresh for the playoffs. When Greene hits the playoffs? He becomes the war machine. That is a VERY good thing to have.

    What do we consistently hear about this game we love?

    Teams that can run the ball in the playoffs usually go deep into the playoffs. Shonn Greene gives us that ability.

    I think the teams needs another serviceable back that compliment Greene's power running style. It's possible we may already have that compliment on the roster. We'll just have to see about that. That's been the Jets system and it has worked like a charm.
    What committee are you talking about? We lost LT and have a lot of question marks behind him. Mcknight has not shown he could provide us with 800 yds rushing

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    I enjoyed the ways how Sal Paolantonio talked up Brandon Weeden as if he's the next coming of Joe Montana, but completely failed to mention the fact that Brandon Weeden is 28 years old. Sanchez is only 25 years of age with 3 years of NFL starting experience. There is a big difference in regards to NFL game speed when compared to college game speed. Which is another aspect of quarterbacking that Sal failed to mention.

    When these college kids are on the verge of coming into the league (Andrew Luck included), they've had the luxury of standing in the pocket while throwing the football to kids open by 15-20 yards. Now, do they have the same courage to stand tall in the pocket when an NFL freak rushing right through the offensive line, getting hit while throwing the football along with the ability to connect with a receiver who's only open, by lets say... 1 yard?

    The quarterback is the hardest position to judge (get a feel for) in regards to evaluating a college quarterbacks potential. You really have no idea what you have, until you've seen them take the field during an actual NFL game. But yet, Paolantonio addressed Brandon Weeden's future transition into the league as if it were 'nothing'. Can this kid do it when the game speed is much faster? When they're getting hit by NFL pro's who are much stronger and/or larger in size? Can a 28 year old rookie, such as Weeden, do it while defenses that he's trying to read are more complex? Only time will tell.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see Weeden fall flat on his face. He has no time to develop as an NFL quarterback, none what so ever. He'll be thrown into the fire from day one, and if he needs any time to develop as an NFL quarterback? His NFL career will be over before it even started. You never know what you have in a rookie quarterback, until you see him take the field during an actual NFL game. Which is why I'm a fan of Sanchez, due to the fact that I've seen this kid perform lights out when it matters the most; during the postseason. Witnessed our developing franchise quarterback perform like a playoff road warrior.

    Sal just put out an awful interview, especially in regards to the Jets.

    Sanchez: Starting QB.
    Greene: Starting RB.
    McKnight: Backup RB.
    Conner: Starting FB.
    S.Hill: Starting #2 WR.
    Kerley: Starting slot WR.
    Keller: Starting TE.
    Ferguson: Starting LT.
    Slauson: Starting LG.
    Mangold: Starting Center.
    Moore: Starting RG.


    The only starters we have on offense, that weren't drafted by the Jets, are both Santonio Holmes and (as of right now) Wayne Hunter. Moore wasn't drafted by us, but he did debut with us. Sal Paolantonio want's to talk about the Browns being so young in regards to their entire offensive line being under the age of 30? Well, our two oldest offensive players are Hunter (31) and Brandon Moore (32). Ferguson, Mangold and Holmes are only 28 years of age. Most of the rest are much younger. No mention in regards to the Jets as A.) Pretty much drafting our entire offense and B.) Nothing but young talent and/or potential throughout our entire offense.

    Revis: Starting #1 CB.
    Wilson: Starting Nickel Back.
    Harris: Starting #1 IMLB.
    Thomas: Been one of our starting OLB's.
    Pouha: Starting NT.
    Wilkerson: Starting DE.
    Coples: Starting DE.
    Smith: Backup Safety.
    Ellis: Backup NT.
    DeVito: Backup D-Lineman.
    Davis: Backup IMLB.

    Etc, etc.

    We've pretty much built our entire team/foundation around our own draft picks, but yet, he's trying to call us out as a team that's "not drafting well"; all because we've added solid FA's such as Yeremiah Bell, LaRon Landry, Aaron Maybin, Pace and Bart Scott over the years? Guys such as Holmes, Cromartie and Tebow all came through trade. So, which free agents have we "built our team" through?

    This is how he started his awful interview.

    "Here's the problem with the Jets. I did a little breakdown on the Jets when you look at them. I like to look at drafts over a 5 year period. This is an amazing number, in 5 years the Jets have drafted just 23 players. They've given a lot of draft picks away, they haven't had a lot of draft picks. They've had only one pro bowlers they've drafted in 5 years and only 5 starters. (Then goes on to compare us to the Eagles). Because they've drafted 50 players with 14 starters, and the Jets have only had 5, so that means the Jets have had to rely a lot on free agency".

    Maybe he hasn't looked at our entire roster, because if he did? He would've seen how we've built our entire team through the draft, not "free agency". What a media tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by srobjets View Post
    Since Rex has been here the Jets have not drafted well at all and most of the free agents have not lived up to the hype. The Jets will have to replace at least 5 starters on D (Pace, Thomas, Scott,Smith Devito) and at least 4 starters on O(Hunter, Moore, Slaussen,Greene) not including in this are Sanchez and Holmes. Way too many holes being filled with over payed, slow and old players.

    Can we say rebuilding. The Jets took their shot with the moves in Rex's first two seasons, with the win it now attitude. Now they need to rebuild. 8-8 is a stretch and most of these players will be gone by the end of the season.
    Absolutely. Because it never was about the draft to begin with.

    Woody Johnson couldn't attempt to sell $300 million dollars in PSL's with an unlikeable head coach, an injured quarterback, and a dynasty in his own division so he hired a flamboyant showman and ordered his GM to recruit flashy free agents to create a crescendo of media buzz. And it worked.

    Palantonio is right but he misses the point. The 2012-2015 seasons were deliberately sacrificed back in 2008-2011 when we mortgaged the draft for free agency. The Jets strategy was never to win; it was to sell out a new stadium. Ryan, Favre, Tomlinson, Taylor, Holmes, Burress, and Edwards weren't supposed to win or get deep in the playoffs. That was a happy accident, the fortunate residue of a strategy to sell 82,500 seats in a bad economy to a frustrated and bored fanbase. Can't blame the last 5 drafts for where we are today as it simply wasn't the strategy in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    My favorite topic to debate...

    Yet another journalist that reaps success off of lazy journalism

    1. Jets are aging - Jets have one of the younger rosters in the NFL, the core of the team is young, all under 28. The argument about the Jets not drafting enough young players is an extremely lazy statement. First, the Jets have traded draft picks for players like Jenkins, Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards, and moving up in the draft for players like Revis, Sanchez, Greene, and Keller. You can now add Tebow to the list. If not for Jenkins' health, and then Edwards DUI and subsequent health, all of these players were quality pick-ups or draft picks that helped create the core of the team or equip the roster with top
    talent. All of this severely deters the notion that the Jets haven't drafted enough. Every year is a chore to build a roster, the moves are made based on players available in FA and/or the draft, and sometimes, trading picks for a player or to draft a certain player based on a team's draft board is a critical piece of the puzzle, and journalists usually don't include all the factors.

    2. Leaning on FA's... Right now, this year's roster in 2012, what FA are the Jets leaning on to validate Sal P's statement? A quick run through of the list, Scott, Pace, Landry, Bell, who else? Another lazy statement. Every team is equipped with players through the draft, undrafted players, who the Jets have several, or young players picked up from other teams who were high draft picks, or considered very good players coming out of the draft that the Jets didn't necessarily draft or sign, players like Devito, Maybin, Cumberland, Schillens, and potentially Sapp and maybe Patrick Turner, all players who figure to have prominent roles on the team this year.

    All the talent at RB is THROUGH the draft, so how can the Jets be criticized for not drafting young talent?

    If Edwards doesn't get the DUI, and doesn't get hurt, and doesn't fall out of favor in the locker room, he'd quite possibly still be on the team.

    I just don't get the criticism against the Jets on this topic.

    Hill, Kerley
    Its not just about having young players but can them young players be any good. (how do they compare to other teams talent at those positions)

    M Sanchez doesn't produce this year he is gone. Doesn't matter he only 26 . IT not about age but does this qb have a chance to be a top ten QB.(if not all your doing is spinning your wheels. . IF M sanchez dosen't work out , Tim Tebow 25 years old could he be the QB of the future. ( again question becomes can he be a top ten QB in this league)

    All the Jets Rb are young and again are any of them a true number 1 RB type. (you can keep drafting young Rbs late every year but you don't find that number one type, than what are you really accomplishing .

    Even what looks like could be a very good young Dline for the future . What has that Jet dline proved at this point. Nothing as it just potential right now.
    Same for WR position - there looks like alot of potential but until that group produce than you really don't know what you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    Its not just about having young players but can them young players be any good. (how do they compare to other teams talent at those positions)

    M Sanchez doesn't produce this year he is gone. Doesn't matter he only 26 IT not about age but does this qb have a chance to be a top ten QB.(if not all your doing is spinning your wheels. .

    All the Jets Rb are young and again are any of them a true number 1 RB type. (you can keep drafting young Rbs late every year but you don't find that number one type, than what are you really accomplishing .

    Even what looks like could be a very good young Dline for the future . What has that Jet dline proved at this point. Nothing as it just potential right now.
    Same for WR position - there looks like alot of potential but until that group produce than you really don't know what you have.
    That wasn't the point of his mentioning of the Jets, that is what I was responding to.

    The point of the article was that the Jets hasn't drafted enough young players, or that the roster has been built with a higher dependency on FA and not draft picks. He doesn't mention anything about proven players.

    And really, who are you to talk about "proven players," you pimp every Raider as the second coming, with unrealistic expectations of potential and success for the team because of those unproven players...

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