I just agreed you can hate and bash Sanchez all you want, but as long as you're being objective in your mind, that works for me.
You're totally right, because you're being objective. You're possibly the most objective poster on the board.
As far as you know.
I guess it only takes a few years to erase memories of a horrible OLine getting Chad injured for the season all the time. For the quality hits that Sanchez took, meaning the kind that get you injured, he kept getting up and taking the beating. And then he gets to hear about how bad he sucks. LOL. Must suck to be him sometimes.
On the positive - he still managed 26 TDs (+6 more rushing).
On the negative - turnovers/bad decisions/inaccuracy.
The biggest excuse for him is the "pulse" of the team. He's got to make it his team, and they have to play like they played against New England in the playoffs in 2010. They have the potential to be a great team, but they take plays (and games) off.
The team has to be resilient, and they are for the most part. I'm hoping last year was the aberration.
I would prefer we draft other positions of need. If we need to go QB in round 1, it will suck and it will mean that Sanchez still can't perform as needed despite a new offense. That would royally suck. As for hating Sanchez, nice try Stokes. You know I don't hate him and want him to succeed. I've already posted that multiple times, so go ahead and bait since you seem to enjoy it so much. Whatever floats your rubber duckie.So, what QB you looking at drafting in the first round next year?
Objectively speaking, of course.
I don't care who you are, if you have an injured throwing shoulder you aren't going to be accurate. Simple as that. He got blasted all year. That will rattle a QB.
I can say with 100% certainty that Dcat is not a Sanchez hater. I would actually label him as an "apologist".
I can remember more than a few times when we got into some Sanchez discussions last year and he defended him diligently.
But to no avail b.c I was right.
I'm excited for this season. I honestly believe the defense will play well, and the offense will be improved.
I hope I'm right. I didn't believe this last year. I was right then, too.
Jets defense with no TOs from the offense will equal playoffs, simple as that!
We were 8-8 last year & Sanchez had almost 30 TOs, many pick 6s.
Oops, sorry, I guess I suck at sarcasm... sorry for the carnage that followed.
Most of your criticism of Sanchez is specific and spot-on... he's going to have to fix just about every area you mentioned before he becomes a top quarterback in the league, it's all very valid criticism and it's not necessarily incompatible with what Stokes says.
I said in another thread that it doesn't really matter anymore, the debate is over. Schotty is gone, Sanchez has an offense that is working around him and his strengths, and he has more freedom to audible at the line of scrimmage and make throwing decisions post-snap. He will either succeed or he won't, all of the excuses are over.
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The number of receptions that Ray Rice has had for the last 3 years (on 9 ypc). One of the best receiving backs in the NFL, he helps Flacco's stat line quite a bit. He's also averaging 4.6 ypc for his career, so it's not like the defense can read run or pass based on whether he's in the game or not (something that's been very easy to do against us: Greene = run, Tomlinson = pass...especially in '11).
Real franchise QBs aren't effected by a porous O-line and getting killed, even very young ones.
Look how Rodgers shredded the Giants when he was getting killed, and Rodgers has had less time in the league than Sanchez. And a furious pass rush doesn't effect a pup like Brady--look at his last two SB championships over the Giants. With less experience than Sanchez.
Bottom line, if Sanchez had even a servicable RT last year, the Jets are 10-6 minimum and in the playoffs AGAIN and the objective haters would have to find something else to be objective about.
That is the perfect example of why you can't stack up stats head to head.
Plus, how many times in those 76 receptions in 2011 did Rice make someone miss & get a bunch of YAC to pad Flaccos stats?
No one open - Burress could never get open. Slow as sh!t. Holmes doesn't separate well either and he gave up on more than a few plays.. and Keller was Sanchez's most reliable target. Not good for Mark. Mason was even worse. On the other hand, there were lots of plays where Holmes was open and Sanchez didn't go to him. We were screaming at it from the stands. Instead, Mark tried to force it to a tightly covered Keller or a plodding Burress who was also covered. It was a combo of bad WRs and bad decisions. It's not an all or nothing thing.