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Thread: Don't think we should have stuck with Eric Smith, Calvin Pace & Bart Scott this year

  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Are you still really psyched for the start of the 2011 season?
    I would be if I didn't already know how it ended

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Are you still really psyched for the start of the 2011 season?
    LOL. Took me a minute to see why you asked that.

    Sadly, I agree with everything else in that post. Unless there's a major surprise (Sanchez lights it up, defense returns to '09 form), the Jets are fighting for the 6th seed at best this year. This team would be projected to be in the cellar if they replaced the Browns in the AFC North.

    All that cutting Pace, Scott & Smith this year would have done is ensure that the remote shot at the 6th seed was no longer a possibility.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave View Post
    LOL. Took me a minute to see why you asked that.

    Sadly, I agree with everything else in that post. Unless there's a major surprise (Sanchez lights it up, defense returns to '09 form), the Jets are fighting for the 6th seed at best this year. This team would be projected to be in the cellar if they replaced the Browns in the AFC North.

    All that cutting Pace, Scott & Smith this year would have done is ensure that the remote shot at the 6th seed was no longer a possibility.
    Pretty much. The team is in a weird spot, they don't want to rebuild, instead they are just going to try a different formula on offense and hope they can squeeze another year out of some of the vets on D. But what the Jets did this offseason in my opinion did not transform an 8-8 team into a title contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    Lets not exaggerate Jordy. The Jets don't currently have 27M wrapped up into our starting LB's here in 2012-2013.

    Harris: $9,900,000
    Scott: $4,200,000
    Pace: $3,085,000
    Thomas: $900,000


    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    You'd be wrong. Again. You seem to be looking at base salary numbers and not cap hits.

    Cap Hits

    Pace - 2012 = $7.3M 2013 = $11.5M
    Scott - 2012 = $5.95M 2013 = $8.65M
    Harris - 2012 = $12M 2013 = $13M
    Plug in Thomas or Maybin or anyone else and you can see that the cap hit approaches $27M. Heck, it's $25.5M just for those 3. Then look at 2013. Over $33M on those 3 alone! What was that about exaggerating?

    <crickets>

  5. #45
    My two cents:

    -I have really been softening on Eric Smith after hating on him for most of the off-season. He played with gimpy legs most of the season and was overused, so his barely-adequate speed was transformed into completely inadequate speed. Once he's back at barely-adequate and playing in a three or four man rotation (with Bush or, God willing, someone like Steed stepping up in coverage), I think we'll like him just fine.

    -Pace is probably as good as a football player can be without being great. He's transitioned from being a pressure-type DE to an hybrid OLB who can do a little bit of everything. I think he's got two or three years left. But the price tag could mean that 2012 is it for him.

    -Basically the same goes for Bart Scott. I think he would be a valuable cog in any defenses ILB corps for a lot of years -- he's not done yet. The only question is money. Is he willing to be paid like a role-player?

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Tackleem View Post
    My two cents:

    -I have really been softening on Eric Smith after hating on him for most of the off-season. He played with gimpy legs most of the season and was overused, so his barely-adequate speed was transformed into completely inadequate speed. Once he's back at barely-adequate and playing in a three or four man rotation (with Bush or, God willing, someone like Steed stepping up in coverage), I think we'll like him just fine.
    Were his legs gimpy in Week 1 when he got burned for 60+ yards by Witten?

    Were his legs gimpy in Week 5 when he was the deep safety in a Cover 4 of all things and bit on a play action, thus allowing Wes Welker over the top and letting him to go 60+ yards?

  7. #47
    All 3 positions have been addressed: Bell, Landry, David and Couples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    All 3 positions have been addressed: Bell, Landry, David and Couples.
    I assume you meant Davis but I had to lol at this one. We signed Freddie Couples?

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    That's insane.
    Cutting the two of them, Hunter and Smith saves the Jets 22M. Some of that money will go to extending Revis.

    But you want to talk "insane"?

    Look ahead to 2014. Our only FAs that year will be:

    John Connor
    Joe McKnight
    Vlad Ducasse
    Nick Bellore
    Garrett McIntyre
    TJ Conley

    And the last 3 are restricted.

    Currently under contract for that season:

    QB: Sanchez, Tebow, McElroy
    RB: Powell, Ganaway
    WR: Holmes, Hill, Kerley, White, Adams
    OT: Ferguson, Hunter (will have been cut, though), Griffen
    OG: Schlauderoff, Campbell
    C: Mangold
    TE: Hayden Smith

    DE: Coples, Wilkerson, Brett Roy
    DT: Pouha, Ellis, Harrison
    LB: Scott (will have been cut), Harris, Davis, Dowtin
    CB: Revis (extended), Cromartie, Wilson, Fletcher, Lynn, Steed
    S: Bush, Allen

    Obviously, there are some real holes there to be addressed: RB, OG, RT, TE, LB, S. But some of those holes will have been addressed in the 2013 draft and free agency (particularly RB, OL, and TE - since Greene, Slauson, Moore and Keller are all FAs after this year), and the Jets will have a ton of cap room free with the cap going up.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Then why be here?

    Or you can at least state your reasons and then we can go from there.
    Do I really have to explain it? This thread for one reason is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515 View Post
    Do I really have to explain it? This thread for one reason is absurd.
    I hear you.

    This whole DWC thing has made me grumpy and I don't like being grumpy.

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    Jordy, u da man, Jet fan born in '61? Anyways, its a very tormenting life being a Jet Fan...I'm with you...No Disrespect...the problem (looking in from the outside) is becoming consorting w/ the enemy. We in conjunction w/ The Mods, have specialists en route for your rescue, ...no worries...We believe you have been drugged possibly by PatFnTx or one of his consortium of endless, lowly drunkard hoodlums. Hang in there, we're on our way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE View Post
    Not sure if we had a choice in the matter.
    ... your first sentence nails the issue ...

    ... this is not the yankees and mlb's pay whatever you want propaganda machine ...

    ... the NFL is dictacted by a salary cap ... as such ... we can not just cut whomever we chose and pay somebody new whatever we'd like ...







    l_j_r

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Jordy, u da man, Jet fan born in '61? Anyways, its a very tormenting life being a Jet Fan...I'm with you...No Disrespect...the problem (looking in from the outside) is becoming consorting w/ the enemy. We in conjunction w/ The Mods, have specialists en route for your rescue, ...no worries...We believe you have been drugged possibly by PatFnTx or one of his consortium of endless, lowly drunkard hoodlums. Hang in there, we're on our way...
    Sorry bout that...quite hammered when this was thrown out

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    Cutting the two of them, Hunter and Smith saves the Jets 22M. Some of that money will go to extending Revis.

    But you want to talk "insane"?

    Look ahead to 2014. Our only FAs that year will be:

    John Connor
    Joe McKnight
    Vlad Ducasse
    Nick Bellore
    Garrett McIntyre
    TJ Conley

    And the last 3 are restricted.

    Currently under contract for that season:

    QB: Sanchez, Tebow, McElroy
    RB: Powell, Ganaway
    WR: Holmes, Hill, Kerley, White, Adams
    OT: Ferguson, Hunter (will have been cut, though), Griffen
    OG: Schlauderoff, Campbell
    C: Mangold
    TE: Hayden Smith

    DE: Coples, Wilkerson, Brett Roy
    DT: Pouha, Ellis, Harrison
    LB: Scott (will have been cut), Harris, Davis, Dowtin
    CB: Revis (extended), Cromartie, Wilson, Fletcher, Lynn, Steed
    S: Bush, Allen

    Obviously, there are some real holes there to be addressed: RB, OG, RT, TE, LB, S. But some of those holes will have been addressed in the 2013 draft and free agency (particularly RB, OL, and TE - since Greene, Slauson, Moore and Keller are all FAs after this year), and the Jets will have a ton of cap room free with the cap going up.
    The cap is due to stay flat through 2014 at least, and then just marginally increase after that.

    I'm not saying the Jets will be in cap hell, just that no team can rely on a sudden boon to the cap going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Jordy, u da man, Jet fan born in '61? Anyways, its a very tormenting life being a Jet Fan...I'm with you...No Disrespect...the problem (looking in from the outside) is becoming consorting w/ the enemy. We in conjunction w/ The Mods, have specialists en route for your rescue, ...no worries...We believe you have been drugged possibly by PatFnTx or one of his consortium of endless, lowly drunkard hoodlums. Hang in there, we're on our way...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Sorry bout that...quite hammered when this was thrown out
    So you won't come to my rescue?

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    I don't disagree at all man. Realistically, whether or not some posters around here want to hear it, our roster is just not that great this season. There is room for growth and I'm excited about some of the new additions, but if you're looking at the 2012-13 Jets as a Super Bowl contender right now, you have a pretty thick pair of green glasses on. The team will be battling the Bills for 2nd place, outside chance at stealing the 6 seed.
    I don't understand how in the last 3 years we haven't gone after what mostly every single team that has won the superbowl the last 5 years had and that is at least 1 above average pass rusher. Either you have an all world QB or you have an above average QB and elite pass rushers on defense. With the new rules you can't help but get elite pass rushers cause what good are DB's if they are left staying with a receiver for 5 seconds plus. More often than not someone is going to get open even on the best CB's.

    I agree 100% with the talent level here but more than anything its also on the offensive side of the ball. I'm not sure if we've upgraded at receiver at all, if our o line depth is upgraded going into the season at all compared to last year ...remember ROb Turner was there for us going into the season last year and he got hurt but we had him going into the season. His injury killed our depth but even going into this season our depth at receiver sucks, O Line sucks, and we don't have any real pass rushers that are a legit threat and need to be accounted for aside from Maybin. I'm hoping Maybin ends up even improving from last year but offensively I don't see how we're surrounding Sanchez with the best pieces. Call me crazy but I think our offensive talent is as bad as its been since the Chad era. I'm not even talking about 4-5 2001 Rams type of receivers but legit receivers at TE, a proven #2 kind of guy with some size and you know for sure is good for 60 catches. With the talent we have at receiver and especially unproven along with the back up TE's and etc ... you would think we'd be trading some picks to get a top RB in this years draft or trading for a legit RB around the league. We have no choice but to be ground and pound this year with the receiver depth we have. What else can we do? If we can't run the ball we're F'd.

    But totally agree we'll be battling Bills for 2nd place and trying to get that 6th seed this year if the roster remains the same.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    The cap is due to stay flat through 2014 at least, and then just marginally increase after that.

    I'm not saying the Jets will be in cap hell, just that no team can rely on a sudden boon to the cap going forward.
    Nah a cap specialist for S.I already said the jets restructuring Sanchez's contract along with the way they have constructed other folks contracts and with some of the new rules on bonus's and etc that the Jets will have more cap flexiblity to go after 2 possible FA's and retain anybody they choose after this season coming up. The funny thing is if we got Aso none of this wouldn't be possible so we can thank Philly for this. This is what they're talking to Revis about. Revis whats more guaranteed money like Sanchez got this off-season and we're just trying to tell the guy to be patient cause after cutting some ties and restructing some deals we'll have a ridiculous amount of flexiblity after this year. 2013 -2018 is probably when the Jets go for it all. All of these little weird contracts you see being given out now and even more guranteed money rather than guranteed years is all for a reason, way too complicated for any of us to get. When I was at the OTA's anyone who knows anything about the cap and understands every single aspect just says Tanny is setting up a major spending frenzy for 2013 ... who we bring in after that I have no clue but we'll see.

    Starting next year players who don't get performance bonus's can be cut before June 1st and somehow there's no cap hit. There's so much sh*T that goes into this every single year that this is the reason why teams just have 1 freaking guy to focus on the cap. As fans on a forum we have normal lives (aside from Jordy) ... so at the end of the day we can crunch the numbers that are given to the public but there's a lot more variables that come into play aside from those numbers. The problem is that as folks on a forum we don't have access to the information that these cap specialist have to determine everything accurately. Not even media gets it so everyone should just shut up about what they THINK they know about someone's cap situation going into next season or beyond cause they don't know ANYTHING.

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