This is where the silliness begins because you have a few or more QBs favorably ranked by some flash-in-the-pan stat like Passer Rating that's lost in a haystack of mediocrity and failure when you look at the overall body of work.
Let's see your 13 or more better QBs.
First of all, these comparisons between Mark Sanchez and Eli Manning are completely ridiculous. Why Eli Manning has become the main comparison for Mark Sanchez I will never know. Is it because they both play for NY teams? Yeah, that's some sound reasoning for sure.
My problem with Mark Sanchez is plainly what I see when I watch Jets games. I see a QB who continues to make the same mistakes over and over again. The same QB that will make rookie mistakes in his third season. The constant inability to put the correct touch on the football. He's very inaccurate with his passes. Yet, other times he's very accurate at short distances and all but beans the intended receiver making it impossible for him to catch the ball. See second Pats game and the short dumpoff to Shonn Greene as a prime example. Or better yet see a couple of in routes that Santonio Holmes was running when it is clear had Sanchez hit Holmes in stride they would have easily been touchdowns.
What about the constant slow starts? The guy consistently took the first 15 to 20 minutes off in every game as a general rule. Then, late in the season, like in the Giants game? Sanchez got off to a fast start and I suddenly had confidence that maybe Sanchez was over the hump. Instead, it worked in reverse order. He got off to a fast start then pretty much did nothing for the rest of the game.
What this all works out to is INCONSISTENCY. I agree (to my dismay) with Ray Ray and his claim that Sanchez is inconsistent. He is inconsistent and it's the one CONSISTENT thing that you can point to.
I do not disagree with a lot of the Sanchez apologists who say they see "flashes of brilliance". Anyone willing to give an honest, objective opinion of Mark Sanchez will tell you that. At times, he looks like a great up and coming QB. The problem with those claims is that they are compliments reserved for rookie QB's. We've been talking about flashes of brilliance for 3 years now. When does it all come together?
Which leads me to the other constant debate on this board. That would be what is the appropriate amount of time for a QB to develop? My take is that there is no canned answer because it's different for each and every QB. Rich Gannon never became a good QB until much later in his career. However, that's really the only example that I can point to. Approximately, 99% of the time the young QB either gets it and shows a lot of improvement into their 3rd season or they are gone.
3 seasons seems to be the amount of time that most NFL teams have given young QB's. Also, Mark Sanchez did NOT show a lot of improvement in his third season. He showed very little if any at all.
In the end, I think all of these arguments are completely irrelevant. The Jets are into their 4th season with a huge investment in Sanchez. Their offseason moves and the resigning of Sanchez in particular indicate (to me at least and I would imagine anyone else besides Sanchez apologists) that time is running out for Sanchez. This is a make or break year for Sanchez. He MUST put it all together this season if he's ever going to. Everyone has their breaking point and I believe the Jets CS is reaching theirs.
Sanchez will have a short leash this season. I truly hope that they do not pull the trigger on a QB switch too early. In other words, do not overreact to one bad performance and strong fan support for Tim Tebow. But if Sanchez strings together say 3 to 5 straight bad performances he will get pulled for good.
So for all of the arguments that occur on this board day in and day out, this debate will be settled on the field. Just like every other debate is.
My personal belief is that Sanchez will probably look good, not great early on in the season. He'll be energized by all this criticism he's taken. He'll be in full blown "I'll show you all" mode. Eventually, however, he'll sink into his old habits and he'll get the hook.
Despite what anyone else would like to contend, I DO wish for Sanchez to turn things around. I just don't believe he's going to.
Furhtermore, the accusations that I get on this board of being a racist is pure stupidity. Just like when referencing the president I get called a racist. Well, that's the canned answer for all those people who've clearly lost an argument and are unwilling to admit as much.
Those are the facts as I see them.
Congratulations to Jordy and Guido
I tried my best but couldn't have lost to two more worthy opponents
what's the prize for third place and the bronze medal?
He's the friggn' QB of a professional NFL football team.
The excuses are unbelievable, poor OC, lousy Oline, crappy WR's, medicore RB's, etc., etc., etc.
Franchise QB's have the ability to overcome adversity.
Sanchez has yet to demonstrate that even though he is a 3rd year veteran QB.
4thyear will be the test. Some of these pbstacles remain but now there can be no justifiable excuses for the same horrendoous showing as last year. Most non extreme Jets fans and other OBJECTIVE () observers are taking a wait and see approach.
It's like claiming the Pats regular season record the past two seasons was a result of the Pats outstanding D.Sanchez was running for his life in '09, but it got written off as the rookie's lack of experience.
He looked tv cameras straight in the iris and took the blame for his teammates again and again.
I expected dramatic OL improvement in '10 but it wasn't the case.
This fab OL you speak of cost us the AFCC.
I know I'll be very disappointed that the Jets had just wasted 3 plus seasons trying to get a franchise QB and they will have come away empty handed.
YOU, on the other hand, will probably continue to argue about frivolous things like "It wasn't Sanchez's fault" or whatever lame attempt you can throw in the way of the clear facts.
Those facts are that Sanchez was given many weapons at his disposal, always had a top ranked defense keeping him in games and scoring points toward the cause, was given a top notch running attack for him to use as a crutch when things got really tough through the air, unwavering support from his HC, and three plus seasons to figure things out on the field.
Those are the facts and anyone outside of kool-aid drinking sold out fans like yourself already know that.
That FACT is there are too many blowhards on here that love to see themselves post bull**** because they think they know better.
... eli had a huge jump in year 4 and his team won the superbowl that season ... which is what we as jet fans are hoping will happen for us this year ... that is why we are using him as a litmus test ...
... in a curious (not confrontational tone) did you actually research this? do you have any particular qb's that match the 3 year window? ...Approximately, 99% of the time the young QB either gets it and shows a lot of improvement into their 3rd season or they are gone.
3 seasons seems to be the amount of time that most NFL teams have given young QB's.
... as you said earlier, many of us fans use the eli comparison because it took him 4 seasons ... so this is the easy one for many of us who are still hopeful for him to use ... my belief would be unless the prospect totally $*cks then he'd get more than 3 years ... i could be wrong though, as i've not actually looked into other qb's in depth ...
... i agree with you that this is a big year for mark ...time is running out for Sanchez. This is a make or break year for Sanchez. He MUST put it all together this season if he's ever going to.
... my judgement of putting it all together may be different than yours though ...
... what i want to see is a 5-10% improvement in completion % and turnover #'s ...
Jets G.M. Mike Tannenbaum was blunt in an interview with Mike Francesa on WFAN, saying Sanchez’s growth as a quarterback “isn’t where it needs to be” and adding, “No, he didn’t play well.”
I'll go with the GM of the NY Jets on this one and not homers on a message board. A guy who's known to put a positive spin on just about anything didn't do that here. I wonder why?
I guess Tannenbaum is a SOJF?
Originally Posted by Ray Ray19
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That said, it seems rather obvious that given Mark's recent extension, the FO has decided he has through 2013 to prove himself. I can't see them cutting him before then due to the cap implications, so I'm not sure that this is really a 'make or break' year at all. Of course, Tebow is the wild card in all of this. My money is that he has through next season to improve. I'm not sure 5-10% is enough. I think he's got to become at least a top 15 QB to keep his job and have the FO not look elsewhere. He does that, and the Jets have a fighting chance.