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    Mark Sanchez made a lot of improvements during his 3rd season last year.

    First, I'll start off by saying that Sanchez completely crapped the bed during the final 3 games of the regular season. Because of that, our season ended up being a failure and we missed the playoffs with an 8-8 record.

    Our 3 games still can not change the fact that Sanchez improved as a 3rd year player. Some fans choose to harp all over A.) The Ravens disaster (where he turned the ball over 5 times behind a distarious offensive line) or B.) The final 3 games of the regular season; while completely ignoring the progress that Sanchez made during our first 13 weeks of the season.

    During the first 13 weeks of the season? Mark Sanchez put together 10 very good performances/games. Negatives critics have refused to acknowledge this, due to the fact that our season ended very poorly. Which is their right, but when judging a quarterbacks overall development/progress, I rather look at the complete body of work before throwing a young/developing quarterback under the bus because of a couple bad performances.

    Lets start off by looking at 10 of Mark's first 13 games (heading into weeks 15, 16 and 17).

    Cowboys: 26/44, 335 yards, 59.1%, 2 TD's/1 INT; QB rating of 88.7.
    Jaguars: 17/24, 182 yards, 70.8%, 2 TD's/2 INT's; QB rating of 85.8.
    Raiders: 27/44, 369 yards, 61.4%, 2 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 93.8.
    Patriots: 16/26, 166 yards, 61.5%, 2 TD's/0 INT's; QB Rating of 105.6.
    Dolphins: 14/25, 201 yards, 56.0%, 1 TD/0 INT's; QB Rating of 95.6.
    Chargers: 18/33, 173 yards, 54.5%, 3 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 87.1.
    Buffalo: 20/28, 230 yards, 71.4%, 1 TD/1 INT; QB Rating of 92.9.
    Buffalo: 17/35, 180 yards, 48.6%, 4 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 90.2.
    Redskins: 19/32, 165 yards, 59.4%, 1 TD/0 INT's; QB Rating of 85.3.
    Chiefs: 13/21, 181 yards, 61.9%, 2 TD's/0 INT;s QB Rating of 121.3.

    Yes, Sanchez did have bad performances against the likes of Baltimore, New England and Denver; but is that enough to completely ignore the overall progression that Sanchez made during 10 of our first 13 games?

    During these 10 games (mentioned above), the Jets went 8-2 and Sanchez combined for 187/312, 2,182 yards, 60.46%, 20 TD's/7 INT's with a QB Rating of 94.6.

    So yes, as a 3rd year developing quarterback, Sanchez did have 3 failures during our first 13 games against the Ravens, Patriots and Broncos, but why completely ignore 10 of his first 13 performances of the 2011 season?

    The kid combined for 187/312, 2,182 yards, 60.46%, 20 TD's/7 INT's with a QB Rating of 94.6 outside of Baltimore, NE and Denver during 10 of our first 13 games; those decent to very strong performances can not be ignored. Acknowledge those awful performances against Baltimore, NE, Denver and/or our final 3 games? Of course, but to harp all over a developing quarterback as if he's made no progress what so ever is what I consider posting with an 'agenda'.

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    He needs to improve, period.

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    Some of these Sanchez critics post as if Sanchez never improved (last season) when in comparison to his first two seasons. Now, when you look at the complete picture, you'll begin to see a completely different outcome. Sanchez did improve last season, by leaps and bounds too.

    The naysayers have mocked me as if I'm using "useless stats", but when they throw Sanchez under the bus, their only using statistics such as Completion percentage, Turnovers and QB Ratings. So, it's o.k for Sanchez critics to use stats to show where Sanchez has failed, but those same statistics then become "useless stats" when in favor of Sanchez improving? It's an agenda with double standards.

    These statistics that I'm on the verge of posting doesn't lie. His overall production and/or overall improvements on the football field don't lie either. He improved last season.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for a QB rating of 69.5. Last year he put up a QB rating of 78.2. I'm not comparing Sanchez to Brady, but it took Brady until his 5th year in the league before he posted his first seasonal QB Rating of 90.0+

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 8 games in which he threw multiple INT's. Last year Sanchez had 5 games in which he threw multiple INT's. The difference? In 2009/2010 Sanchez combined for games of 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4 and 5 INT games. Last year Sanchez had games of 2, 2, 2, 2 and 3 INT games.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 1 INT per every 26.4 drop backs. Last year, Sanchez threw 1 INT per every every 30.1 drop backs.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 35 TD's/33 INT's. Last year alone, Sanchez put up 32 TD's/18 INT's.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for a completion percentage of 69.1%. Last year, Sanchez improved his accuracy with a 56.7 completion percentage. Has improved his accuracy each of his first 3 seasons. Expecting at least 60% this season.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 7 games of multiple TD's (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3 & 3). Last year alone, Sanchez put up 9 games of multiple TD's of 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3 and 4 TD performances.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 8 games of 250+ yards. Last year alone, Sanchez put up 5 games of 250+ yards.

    During first first two seasons, he combined for 2 games of 300+ yards. Last year alone, Sanchez put up 3 games of 300+ yards.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 7 games of 80-90 QB ratings, 1 game of 90-100 QB Ratings and 7 games of 100+ QB ratings. Last year alone Sanchez put up 4 games of 80-90 QB ratings, 4 games of 90-100 QB ratings and 2 games of 100+ QB ratings.

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 7 games of 60% completion percentages or higher (61.4%, 63.2%, 63.6%, 64.9%, 65.5%, 70% and 76.5%). Last year alone, Sanchez put up 7 games of 60% completion percentages or higher (60.0%, 61.4%, 61.5%, 61.9%, 65.5% and 70.8% and 71.4%). He's not improving upon his accuracy?

    During his first two seasons, he combined for 9 games of 50% completion percentages or below (34.5%, 38.1%, 38.6%, 42.1%, 46.7%, 47.6%, 47.7%, 50.0% & 50.0%). As a 3rd year player Sanchez only had 2 games of 50% or below (31.4% and 48.6%). Would you still like to claim that "Sanchez hasn't improved upon his accuracy"?

    Sanchez improved last season, regardless of what NE fans and/or negative critics have to say.
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    So yes, he failed during our final 3 games, but lets no ignore 10 of his first 13 starts because of it. Sanchez improved by leaps and bounds (as a Quarterback) last season; negative critics refuse to acknowledge it. And when Sanchez supporters do acknowledge it? They're made out to be homers, posting clueless stats etc, etc.

    Some football fans (posters) understand the overall aspects involved in quarterback development, others don't. There lies the difference.

    Heading into our final 3 games (13 games), Sanchez combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2.

    So, when you see/hear Sanchez critics mention and/or make clueless remarks such as Sanchez "regressed", "played like trash", "failed to improve" etc, etc during the 2011 season? Just know that, these critics are only speaking of the final 3 games of the season against the likes of the Eagles, Giants and Dolphins. Heading into our final 3 games, Sanchez was at 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2. They'll completing ignore the overall progression during 13 games, only to harp over the final 3 games.
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    aaaaand away we go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    First, I'll start off by saying that Sanchez completely crapped the bed during the final 3 games of the regular season. Because of that, our season ended up being a failure and we missed the playoffs with an 8-8 record.

    Our 3 games still can not change the fact that Sanchez improved as a 3rd year player. Some fans choose to harp all over A.) The Ravens disaster (where he turned the ball over 5 times behind a distarious offensive line) or B.) The final 3 games of the regular season; while completely ignoring the progress that Sanchez made during our first 13 weeks of the season.

    During the first 13 weeks of the season? Mark Sanchez put together 10 very good performances/games. Negatives critics have refused to acknowledge this, due to the fact that our season ended very poorly. Which is their right, but when judging a quarterbacks overall development/progress, I rather look at the complete body of work before throwing a young/developing quarterback under the bus because of a couple bad performances.

    Lets start off by looking at 10 of Mark's first 13 games (heading into weeks 15, 16 and 17).

    Cowboys: 26/44, 335 yards, 59.1%, 2 TD's/1 INT; QB rating of 88.7.
    Jaguars: 17/24, 182 yards, 70.8%, 2 TD's/2 INT's; QB rating of 85.8.
    Raiders: 27/44, 369 yards, 61.4%, 2 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 93.8.
    Patriots: 16/26, 166 yards, 61.5%, 2 TD's/0 INT's; QB Rating of 105.6.
    Dolphins: 14/25, 201 yards, 56.0%, 1 TD/0 INT's; QB Rating of 95.6.
    Chargers: 18/33, 173 yards, 54.5%, 3 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 87.1.
    Buffalo: 20/28, 230 yards, 71.4%, 1 TD/1 INT; QB Rating of 92.9.
    Buffalo: 17/35, 180 yards, 48.6%, 4 TD's/1 INT; QB Rating of 90.2.
    Redskins: 19/32, 165 yards, 59.4%, 1 TD/0 INT's; QB Rating of 85.3.
    Chiefs: 13/21, 181 yards, 61.9%, 2 TD's/0 INT;s QB Rating of 121.3.

    Yes, Sanchez did have bad performances against the likes of Baltimore, New England and Denver; but is that enough to completely ignore the overall progression that Sanchez made during 10 of our first 13 games?

    During these 10 games (mentioned above), the Jets went 8-2 and Sanchez combined for 187/312, 2,182 yards, 60.46%, 20 TD's/7 INT's with a QB Rating of 94.6.

    So yes, as a 3rd year developing quarterback, Sanchez did have 3 failures during our first 13 games against the Ravens, Patriots and Broncos, but why completely ignore 10 of his first 13 performances of the 2011 season?

    The kid combined for 187/312, 2,182 yards, 60.46%, 20 TD's/7 INT's with a QB Rating of 94.6 outside of Baltimore, NE and Denver during 10 of our first 13 games; those decent to very strong performances can not be ignored. Acknowledge those awful performances against Baltimore, NE, Denver and/or our final 3 games? Of course, but to harp all over a developing quarterback as if he's made no progress what so ever is what I consider posting with an 'agenda'.
    You can't throw out those games in your little cherry stat-picking world. They happened, and Sanchez was there. The statline you are throwing out has no validity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    The only aspects that Sanchez critics can point to (in regards to last year) are the final 3 games, his final completion percentage, final QB rating and amount of turnovers despite the fact that he's improved each of his first 3 years in regards to completions, offensive yardage, completion percentage, TD's, TD to INT ratio and QB Ratings. So yes, he failed during our final 3 games, but lets no ignore 10 of his first 13 starts because of it. Sanchez improved by leaps and bounds (as a Quarterback) last season; negative critics refuse to acknowledge it. And when Sanchez supporters do acknowledge it? They're made out to be homers, posting clueless stats etc, etc.

    Some football fans (posters) understand the overall aspects involved in quarterback development, others don't. There lies the difference.

    Heading into our final 3 games, Sanchez combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2.

    So, when you see/hear Sanchez critics mention and/or make clueless remarks such as Sanchez "regressed", "played like trash", "failed to improve" etc, etc during the 2011 season? Just know that, these critics are only speaking of the final 3 games of the season against the likes of the Eagles, Giants and Dolphins. Heading into our final 3 games, Sanchez was at 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2. They'll completing ignore the overall progression during 13 games, only to harp over the final 3 games.
    This is the kind of silly sh*t that I'm talking about.

    The guy turned the ball over 26 times last season, yet you try your hardest to make it sound like Sanchez is already a legitimate franchise QB. Aside from his playoff record, what exactly is this based on?

    He's one of the most erratic, inaccurate, turnover prone starting QB's in the NFL at this point. Can he improve? Sure he can, and I think that every Jets fan out there hopes that he does. But this constant excuse making is getting to be incredibly tiresome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    You can't throw out those games in your little cherry stat-picking world. They happened, and Sanchez was there. The statline you are throwing out has no validity.
    I'm not throwing those games out, just pointing out the facts that Sanchez had 10 very solid/productive games during his first 13 games. That's not considering cherry-picking, it's only making it known that Sanchez had 3 bad games during his first 13 games along with 10 very solid games during his first 13 games.

    We can include the Ravens, Patriots and Broncos games, and Sanchez still combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during out first 13 games (heading into our final 3 games).

    Everyone knows that Sanchez failed during out final 3 games of the season against the Eagles, Giants and Dolphins, but that still doesn't change the fact that Sanchez (as only a 3rd year quarterback) combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during our first 13 games.

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    I'm taking the biggest offense that he took stats from "10 of the first 13" games, which basically means he cherry-picked stats from all the games that weren't a disaster for Sanchez, and then pretended like the last 3 games of the season never happened, and cooked up some impressive STATZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    I'm not throwing those games out, just pointing out the facts that Sanchez had 10 very solid/productive games during his first 13 games. That's not considering cherry-picking, it's only making it known that Sanchez had 3 bad games during his first 13 games along with 10 very solid games during his first 13 games.

    We can include the Ravens, Patriots and Broncos games, and Sanchez still combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during out first 13 games (heading into our final 3 games).

    Everyone knows that Sanchez failed during out final 3 games of the season against the Eagles, Giants and Dolphins, but that still doesn't change the fact that Sanchez (as only a 3rd year quarterback) combined for 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during our first 13 games.

    You can't play that game. Those last 3 games count against his statz. Sorry. He played 16 NFL games. And even if you take those games out, he still couldn't crack 60%. That is just awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    This is the kind of silly sh*t that I'm talking about.

    The guy turned the ball over 26 times last season, yet you try your hardest to make it sound like Sanchez is already a legitimate franchise QB. Aside from his playoff record, what exactly is this based on?

    He's one of the most erratic, inaccurate, turnover prone starting QB's in the NFL at this point. Can he improve? Sure he can, and I think that every Jets fan out there hopes that he does. But this constant excuse making is getting to be incredibly tiresome.
    Yes, he did turn the ball over 26 times. But this is exactly what I'm talking about, fans (when talking about Sanchez) are only thinking about the final 3 games along with the Ravens game. 5 of those turnovers happened against the Ravens where Joe Montana wouldn't have stood a chance (Did you watch the game?) and 9 of those turnovers came during our final 3 games.

    You just, without knowing it, admitted that you only judge Sanchez due to the Ravens team disaster and final 3 games. Those 4 games account for 14 turnovers. Which means, he only turned the ball over 12 times during 12 remaining games.

    This kid improved as an overall quarterback last season, negative critics refuse to accept that (Due to our last 3 games).

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    LOL. Wind him up and set him loose. Watch out world!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    Yes, he did turn the ball over 26 times. But this is exactly what I'm talking about, fans (when talking about Sanchez) are only thinking about the final 3 games along with the Ravens game. 5 of those turnovers happened against the Ravens where Joe Montana wouldn't have stood a chance (Did you watch the game?) and 9 of those turnovers came during our final 3 games.

    You just, without knowing it, admitted that you only judge Sanchez due to the Ravens team disaster and final 3 games. Those 4 games account for 14 turnovers. Which means, he only turned the ball over 12 times during 12 remaining games.

    This kid improved as an overall quarterback last season, negative critics refuse to accept that (Due to our last 3 games).

    Those were the most important games in the season for the Jets! WTF! Ok fine, whatever, let's pretend they never happened, Holmes was a choir boy, etc... Sanchez looks great, the FO looks great. The Jets only played 13 relevant games in 2011. The other 3? Everybody just gave up. No big deal. Didn't even want to make the playoffs... they knew they couldn't make the AFCCG, so why even bother? They made the right decision to give up, wasn't worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    You can't play that game. Those last 3 games count against his statz. Sorry. He played 16 NFL games. And even if you take those games out, he still couldn't crack 60%. That is just awful.
    It's not a "game". It's called observing how our quarterback performed during our first 13 games. You have a problem with it? Go post on a Patriots message board with your own fan base. You circle jerk the Patriots and bash the Jets 24/7 here on JetsInsider, might as well go circle jerk and bash the Jets on a Patriots message board. You're just a little-little troll. Congrats

    As Jet fans, we have to acknowledge his final 3 games, but that doesn't mean that (as a fan base) we can't discuss and observe how Sanchez performed during his first 13 games of 2011 (as a 3rd year quarterback).

    During our first 13 games (combined) Sanchez went 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during our first 13 games. Not bad for a 3rd year quarterback. A developing one at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    It's not a "game". It's called observing how our quarterback performed during our first 13 games. You have a problem with it? Go post on a Patriots message board with your own fan base. You circle jerk the Patriots and bash the Jets 24/7 here on JetsInsider, might as well go circle jerk and bash the Jets on a Patriots message board. You're just a little-little troll. Congrats

    As Jet fans, we have to acknowledge his final 3 games, but that doesn't mean that (as a fan base) we can't discuss and observe how Sanchez performed during his first 13 games of 2011 (as a 3rd year quarterback).

    During our first 13 games (combined) Sanchez went 242/426, 2,859 yards, 58.4%, 26 offensive TD's/11 INT's with a QB Rating of 85.2 during our first 13 games. Not bad for a 3rd year quarterback. A developing one at that.

    You can discuss and observe any slice of games that makes Sanchez look good that you want. The bottom line is those last 3 games happened, Sanchez played in them, and those stats are relevant in analyzing Sanchez as a QB. You want to pretend really, really badly that Sanchez wasn't actually there throwing pick-sixes to DLinemen and just executing horrible QB play, what happened in those last 3 games ruins your little jizz-fest.

    I'm sorry outside observers refuse to ignore 25% of the games Sanchez played in last year when evaluating him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    Yes, he did turn the ball over 26 times. But this is exactly what I'm talking about, fans (when talking about Sanchez) are only thinking about the final 3 games along with the Ravens game. 5 of those turnovers happened against the Ravens where Joe Montana wouldn't have stood a chance (Did you watch the game?) and 9 of those turnovers came during our final 3 games.

    You just, without knowing it, admitted that you only judge Sanchez due to the Ravens team disaster and final 3 games. Those 4 games account for 14 turnovers. Which means, he only turned the ball over 12 times during 12 remaining games.

    This kid improved as an overall quarterback last season, negative critics refuse to accept that (Due to our last 3 games).
    LOL

    We still had a chance at making the playoffs in ALL 3 of those games at the end of the season.

    And in those 3 games, Sanchez had arguably the worst stretch of his career.

    But yeah, the guys who question Mark's abilities as a legit, franchise QB are automatically labeled as "haters" or "Same Old Jets fans".

    When Sanchez proves to me that he is capable of being the focal point of this offense, then he'll have my unwavering support. But until then, the facts are the facts. At this point, the kid is a bottom 3rd starting QB with a major knack for turning the ball over.

    It is what it is...until proven otherwise.

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    Haven't you already made this thread before?


    I'm one of the most pro-Sanchez people on here, and everytime I read through your spinning of the numbers, I have to reconsider my position. It's one thing to be a fan, it's another to make no attempt whatsoever to be objective. Picking out a set of games that gives Sanchez a 94.6 passer rating? Really? You think that's an accurate reflection of the player that he is right now?


    I'm pro-Sanchez, but my argument has always been that he's shown enough to give him more time and that he's not primarily responsible for the team's struggles last year or either AFCCG loss. I don't know how good he'll wind up being. I think that it's unlikely that he'll ever be elite (though there's still a remote chance) and I'm almost certain that he'll be better than he has been.

    Anyone that believes Sanchez is a good QB right now has a very broad understanding of what it means to be "good." I have Sanchez somewhere in the 14-19 range. That's average to slightly below-average. If he was 29, I wouldn't be satisfied with that, but he's not, so I want to give him more time instead of starting over with another young QB. But that doesn't seem to be your position.




    Lastly, I'm someone that also likes to use stats to support their arguments. Yet I find your number filled ramblings to be frustrating.

    Sanchez increased his passing yardage in 2011.........so what? He threw the ball more often, his yards per attempt went down. His touchdowns increased, I was very happy about this, and his performance in the red zone improved dramatically.

    There's no way to put a negative spin on that, but you should also be mindful that our red zone playcalling was radically different in 2011 than it was in 2009 and 2010. We ran the ball less and threw more. Sanchez's passing TDs were slightly depressed in his first two years, and slightly inflated in his 3rd year.

    Anyone that has watched the Dolphins for the past few years should know how conservative Sparano is in the red zone. Sanchez could play just as well in the red zone and throw for fewer TDs in 2012 than he did in 2011.

    Lastly, our red zone excellence last year masked how bad the offense really was. Red zone %'s tend to fluctuate significantly from year to year. Even the best offenses in the league have a hard time maintaining the 65% success rate that we had last year, from season to season. If the offense regresses to 54% (where the Giants were last year), combined with the shift in red zone playcalling....that's why you can't just say "Sanchez threw for 26 TDs last year, he should throw for even more this year if he continues to progress."

    It's one thing to look at a box score, it's another to understand the context in which those numbers were produced. Far too often, you're just regurgitating numbers and giving the most pro-Jet interpretation of them that you can come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    Haven't you already made this thread before?


    I'm one of the most pro-Sanchez people on here, and everytime I read through your spinning of the numbers, I have to reconsider my position. It's one thing to be a fan, it's another to make no attempt whatsoever to be objective. Picking out a set of games that gives Sanchez a 94.6 passer rating? Really? You think that's an accurate reflection of the player that he is right now?


    I'm pro-Sanchez, but my argument has always been that he's shown enough to give him more time and that he's not primarily responsible for the team's struggles last year or either AFCCG loss. I don't know how good he'll wind up being. I think that it's unlikely that he'll ever be elite (though there's still a remote chance) and I'm almost certain that he'll be better than he has been.

    Anyone that believes Sanchez is a good QB right now has a very broad understanding of what it means to be "good." I have Sanchez somewhere in the 14-19 range. That's average to slightly below-average. If he was 29, I wouldn't be satisfied with that, but he's not, so I want to give him more time instead of starting over with another young QB. But that doesn't seem to be your position.




    Lastly, I'm someone that also likes to use stats to support their arguments. Yet I find your number filled ramblings to be frustrating.

    Sanchez increased his passing yardage in 2011.........so what? He threw the ball more often, his yards per attempt went down. His touchdowns increased, I was very happy about this, and his performance in the red zone improved dramatically.

    There's no way to put a negative spin on that, but you should also be mindful that our red zone playcalling was radically different in 2011 than it was in 2009 and 2010. We ran the ball less and threw more. Sanchez's passing TDs were slightly depressed in his first two years, and slightly inflated in his 3rd year.

    Anyone that has watched the Dolphins for the past few years should know how conservative Sparano is in the red zone. Sanchez could play just as well in the red zone and throw for fewer TDs in 2012 than he did in 2011.

    Lastly, our red zone excellence last year masked how bad the offense really was. Red zone %'s tend to fluctuate significantly from year to year. Even the best offenses in the league have a hard time maintaining the 65% success rate that we had last year, from season to season. If the offense regresses to 54% (where the Giants were last year), combined with the shift in red zone playcalling....that's why you can't just say "Sanchez threw for 26 TDs last year, he should throw for even more this year if he continues to progress."

    It's one thing to look at a box score, it's another to understand the context in which those numbers were produced. Far too often, you're just regurgitating numbers and giving the most pro-Jet interpretation of them that you can come up with.

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    Double

    I'm far too lazy to put together that honest, legitimate assessment of Sanchez that happens to also smack down DWC's spin. That was a good read, JB.

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    Fans that think that they can use stats in football as they can in baseball, you just can't without going into much greater depth. looking at your stats you can't tell if his completions were on 1st and 10 or 3 and 9. Did he throw the touchdown when they were up or down by more than 2 scores in the 4th.
    Did he throw that interception on his 5yd line? or was it thrown at the end of the 1/2 in a Hail Mary?

    You have to look at the game, and not the box score.

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