I also base my beliefs on the fact that health insurance costs are out of control;
I also believe change was needed because despite the absurd costs our health care system was ranked 37th in the world in the last survey by the WHO, somewhere near Morocco, Cyprus, and Costa Rica. We can argue about how the countries were ranked but one thing is certain; our system is simply not good enough. Also, in the current system people who refuse to get health care are already a drain on tax payers.
Add all of the above up and any logical conclusion must include the idea that change was necessary.
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Somehow I just don't see Harlem Born/Bronx Native/CUNY Graduate/General/Joint-Chiefs-of-Staff/National-Security-Advisor/Secretary-of-State Colin Powell (R) endorsing Barack Obama for President again like he did in 2008.
It's not likely to happen this time!
If he's listening to political talk radio every day to and from work, for an extended period of time each way, it's no wonder his rhetoric has gone over the top.
That sh*t is toxic.
Lot of people b*tch about NPR being liberal-leaning, and I can see that, but they're by far the best radio station for politics. The general douchebaggery of talk radio sensationalism and political shock-jocks is simply not evident on national public radio. NPR isn't about personality nor daily "finding a new way to paint the other side as evil" talking points.
My advice to Warfish is to listen to NPR or music, stay away from right/left wing radio. Talk radio is the jerry springer of politics
All we have been hearing the past couple days out of the libs about Bain Capital and Romney's speech is just pure distraction tactics to keep us from talking about the real issues.
By spreading this garbage, the libs bought themselves two days where they didn't have to talk about the issues or Obama's record. Plain and simple.
Most people don't see through the crap but some of us do.
Of that 44 million, how many are truly cases where they have a legitimate case that we, the public, should be supporting them.
Fromt he things I've heard, not many at all.
And as a reminder, that 44 million starts after the existing 80-100 million ALREADY covered in some form by the State.
Agree to disagree. The problem is with the individuals, not the system. Irresponsible people who prioritize other things ahead of insurance, then complain when they get sick and can't pay. Thats not systemic, that a bad decision, one they should suffer the consequences of fiscally.Add all of the above up and any logical conclusion must include the idea that change was necessary.
The answer, as I see it, is not fullscale Nationalization (as many prefer) or this worst-of-all-world mandate-private-profitmaker system of Obamacare.
The answer is to hold people accountable. If you could afford insurance, and the vast majority can in fact if it was a priority and they sacrificed other comforts, but choose not to get it, thats on them. I (the taxpayer) owe them nothing but disdain.
As I see it, this current step is simply the next step on the way to Ken's favored system, full National Single-Payor State Healthcare. There will always be some sob story, some bleeding heart cause for why the NEXT few millions NEED us to help them, right up until 99% is covered, then and only then will some say "screw whats left".
I just wish there was more honesty about that desire. I can understand supporters of a 100% State System, even if I disagree. What I will never agree with is using bleeding heart sob stories about X, Y or Z, using VERY partial info about that person/family, misrepresenting whats happened and why, to make out that someone who made a household income of $60,000 with two fulltime workers, somehow couldn;t afford health insurance whilst driving a new SUV and living ina five-bedroom house in the burbs.
The truly poor. The disabled. Soldiers. Them I will support supporting, healthcase wise, forever. Obviosuly I am not a hardcore, not against a real system of support for the needy. The not-so-needy looking to milk the system with aligator tear tales of "need" which is really their own bad decision making......not so much.
And your 44 million is more than than truly needy people in need.
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I think you mistake me for someone who cares, in any form, what you think of me, or is dumb enough to fall for your psudo-intellectual chin-rubbing "well, I didn't say THAT exactly, you're misunderstanding my intents and nuance....."right, because the only way to think is the Warfish way. Think like Warfish or you are a biased idiot. I get it, it has been on display here for years. If people don't think exactly like you they are biased and stupid.
You claimed I couldn't back my claim and was making it up, and living in some fantasy world. I backed it, backed what I heard, with the sources.
Simple as that.
The rest of your personal-grudge-based gurning is just that. Irrelevant to me.
Then don't try. Because I do not care what you think, or think of me, now or ever. It's a derail and distraction to even discuss it.This post is proof positive of your inability to have an adult conversation
Ignore button is right up over there, under user CP. Just spare me your girlish whining.
There are some that healthcare is used for everything frpm the common cold,
or they just feel well. For me the less time I spend in a doctors office the happier I am. The over use of doctors visits makes it cost more for everyone.
Maybe higher deductibles for office visits is the answer at least one of them.
Everything every politician does is calculated. But Romney went to the NAACP (he was invited) and said to them pretty much the exact same thing he has said throughout his campaign. NAACP is about equality and Romney treated them the same way he treats any of his audiences. To falsely cater to them, like Biden bordered on doing, is demeaning. But he gets away with it b.c he plays for the same team as them.
Anyone who says he wanted to get booed to win over racists is just a fool. I know we now live in an era where people don't care whether or not they get bad press b.c they just want the exposure but that is not true with politicians. No politician wants to get booed. There is a such thing as bad publicity in politics.
Basically everything that has gone on in the media (and it is the media that created this) has basically undermined everything we have been trying to achieve over the past 60 years with regards to racial equality. Do they really want Romney to lie to the NAACP just so he can get an applause? If I was a member I would take it as an insult to my intelligence that someone would speak before me and lie to my face just to get my support.
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