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    Quote Originally Posted by EM31 View Post
    It terminated.
    All Conner can do is block and even in that area so far he hasn't been anything special. I miss having FB's like Richie Anderson and Jerald Sowell who could catch a pass to convert a third down and/or run a screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    You can't expect a rookie and/or 2nd year player to go 500 touches with no fumbles. These kids learn from mistakes, which is the beauty of sports. Every player goes through growing pains due to a learning curve when reaching the NFL level. When you combine his rushing attempts, receptions along with his kick and punt returns? He's put up 142 combined/total touches. Both on special teams, and as we all know, that kickoff fumble was a fluke mistakes if I've ever seen one. He muffed it. I just can't agree with this labeling of McKnight as if he's had a case of "fumblitis". If that were the case, believe me you, coach Westhoff wouldn't let him anywhere near his kick returns unit.
    3 fumbles in 95 touches is pretty bad, mr know it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    3 fumbles in 95 touches is pretty bad, mr know it all
    How many career fumbles in regards to the offensive side of the ball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnails View Post
    I would love for either McKnight or Tebow to learn how to pass block on third down, as of now Mcknight has not shown much in pass blocking, he hasn't had a lot of opportunities either.
    im excited for gannaway i think he can make a run for the third down back hes big enough to block and i think he can catch the ball or maybe bilal

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    This year is big for McKnight. He doesn't have to put up huge numbers, but he has to make plays on offense like he has on special teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    How many career fumbles in regards to the offensive side of the ball?
    The ball is oblong, which side is the offensive side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    The ball is oblong, which side is the offensive side?
    He didn't fumble running with the ball secured, so unless he's catching a Tebow throw he should be okay. You're not usually this trollish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJet85 View Post
    im excited for gannaway i think he can make a run for the third down back hes big enough to block and i think he can catch the ball or maybe bilal
    Being big enough is not the concern. It's being smart/aware enough. If he can do it the job is his. I would think that Greene, and McKnight would have spent the off season being coached to do this. They both seem to see that blitzer a moment to late and have to scramble to get into position, or worse they don't see him, and go out into the flat. They didn't get much of a chance, because LT was here, and the coaches didn't have to leave either of them in, but it is a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    How many career fumbles in regards to the offensive side of the ball?
    In this very thread, you've pointed at least twice to McKnight's performance on special teams as a reason why he'll be a threat in the base offense. Despite people pointing out that his ST performance is in large part due to superior coaching (as proven by other players' success in the same system), you keep throwing out stats and videos of McKnight running back kicks.

    Then when people talk about him fumbling the ball on returns, all of a sudden that's not "in regards to the offensive side of the ball."

    It's amazing what lengths people will go to just to defend a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave View Post
    In this very thread, you've pointed at least twice to McKnight's performance on special teams as a reason why he'll be a threat in the base offense. Despite people pointing out that his ST performance is in large part due to superior coaching (as proven by other players' success in the same system), you keep throwing out stats and videos of McKnight running back kicks.

    Then when people talk about him fumbling the ball on returns, all of a sudden that's not "in regards to the offensive side of the ball."

    It's amazing what lengths people will go to just to defend a point.
    I'm not trying say McKnight is great. He's not, but he hasn't fumbled the ball. Not once. Muffing a punt is only similar to fumbling in the stat sheet.

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    First of all, they said when he was drafted (they being some posters on this board) that he was "another Leon Washington". That is still the dumbest, most ludicrous thing I've ever heard on this board. Whoever the dingbat was that made that claim I would love to take to task.

    He came in with big potential as they said he was the "best high school player". He also played at USC. So there basic premise has always been that he has the "pedigree" to be great.

    As though there's some sort of f*cking stamp that you put on a player and that AUTOMATICALLY means the guy is great.

    The fact is, today he's a very one dimensional player, very specialized. They drafted him to be a RB, instead they got a kick returner. Much like someone else we remember? Does the name Justin Miller strike a bell? We drafted him to be a corner, instead we got a kick returner. Well, where is Justin Miller now? Is he even still in the league?

    Another fact is as a RB, he's nothing more than a disappointment. He's too brittle thus far and if the Jets opt to use him as a RB between the tackles, his career would be shortened to probably this season and next. His body is too frail.

    And yet you run into many SOJF's (SOLD OUT JETS FANS) that say the guy is great? And exactly HOW do you get to that conclusion? What? Based on all of those 100 yard games he has? The guy has been an ambarrassment for the organization since he was drafted. And yet at the same time, who was FIRST in line to take his pay check when it came time to get paid?

    Unless this guy really turns things around this season, he'll be gone rather quickly. On a 53 man roster, you can't leave a spot open for a "kick returner and only a kick returner". You must have ST guys that can serve multiple roles, including ST's and a regular position on offense or defense. You could have maybe one guy dedicated to many different roles within ST's. The Jets had Brad Smith, but he also ran the wildcat and played other roles on offense.

    Well, out of Joe McKnight what do we have? We have a very one dimenional player and that simply will not cut it. So like I said already, unless he seriously turns things around this season, he's going to be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    First of all, they said when he was drafted (they being some posters on this board) that he was "another Leon Washington". That is still the dumbest, most ludicrous thing I've ever heard on this board. Whoever the dingbat was that made that claim I would love to take to task.

    He came in with big potential as they said he was the "best high school player". He also played at USC. So there basic premise has always been that he has the "pedigree" to be great.

    As though there's some sort of f*cking stamp that you put on a player and that AUTOMATICALLY means the guy is great.

    The fact is, today he's a very one dimensional player, very specialized. They drafted him to be a RB, instead they got a kick returner. Much like someone else we remember? Does the name Justin Miller strike a bell? We drafted him to be a corner, instead we got a kick returner. Well, where is Justin Miller now? Is he even still in the league?

    Another fact is as a RB, he's nothing more than a disappointment. He's too brittle thus far and if the Jets opt to use him as a RB between the tackles, his career would be shortened to probably this season and next. His body is too frail.

    And yet you run into many SOJF's (SOLD OUT JETS FANS) that say the guy is great? And exactly HOW do you get to that conclusion? What? Based on all of those 100 yard games he has? The guy has been an ambarrassment for the organization since he was drafted. And yet at the same time, who was FIRST in line to take his pay check when it came time to get paid?

    Unless this guy really turns things around this season, he'll be gone rather quickly. On a 53 man roster, you can't leave a spot open for a "kick returner and only a kick returner". You must have ST guys that can serve multiple roles, including ST's and a regular position on offense or defense. You could have maybe one guy dedicated to many different roles within ST's. The Jets had Brad Smith, but he also ran the wildcat and played other roles on offense.

    Well, out of Joe McKnight what do we have? We have a very one dimenional player and that simply will not cut it. So like I said already, unless he seriously turns things around this season, he's going to be gone.
    I remember McKnight blocking a HUGE punt in week one against Dallas.......getting carries and touches on offense here and there, rushing the passer on occasion .......not to mention having the best kick return average in Jets history.

    Call me crazy, but I think he found a spot on this team doing more than one thing.

    If you want to question his value as a third down back that's definitely understandable......but he has shown he is valuable in other areas to this team.....more than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post

    The guy has been an ambarrassment for the organization since he was drafted.

    And yet at the same time, who was FIRST in line to take his pay check when it came time to get paid?
    You are a tool an an ambarrassment to JI.

    That second line is the dumbest thing ever said on this board--it has no basis in reality and just shows a total and incomprehensible hate-filled agenda against the guy.

    Shave the porn stache, lose the confederate flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Well his fumbles were muffed punt returns, so if he's not returning punts anymore than why should we worry about how many fumbles he has per touch? You know Revis did the same thing, as did Brad Smith, Kerley, Cromartie, and Justin Miller. Catching punts is not an easy thing to do, but it has nothing to do with being a running back. He hasn't fumbled once on offense, so you don't really have a point. He doesn't seem to have a good feel for finding the holes, or maybe he's not patient enough. More importantly, he can't pick up a blitz. Conner was not good at it either btw. It has nothing to do with blocking ability, if you can't read the rush, and pick out the right guy to block in time to be in position.
    I don't think all three fumbles were muffing the catch. I think one or two of them were after he was into the return itself.

    To the people on this thread who have essentially said "who cares?" about this type of turnover I would toss it back to them and ask if the offensive series going the other way is played any differently or if any subsequent points as a result are any different depending on exactly how he turned the ball over?

    As it relates to his running skills it is a vision and burst thing from where I see. He simply does not seem to me to recognize and then hit the holes quickly enough. LT on the other hand, when running behind the same O-Line, was able to see and then hit those same holes hard when he was fresh. That is often the difference between a 4-5 yard gain or being stopped for no gain. Obviously an ancient LT was not going to be able to keep that up.

    I am not sure that the ingredients that seem to me to be missing from Joe McKnight's skill set are ones that can be learned. I will be happy to be proved wrong and this fourth round pick turns into something special. Right now I am trying to find evidence to justify that hope and I am just not finding any.

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    Let's just be clear. 4th rounders who turn out to be duds are not an embarrassment to the organization. It goes on the GM's overall scorecard certainly but you win some you lose some and you move along.

    Gholston was an embarrassment. Ducasse might be headed that way.

    I think Joe McKnight's work on specials is probably enough in and of itself to save him from the "dud" designation.

    Whether or not he ends up being a dud as a RB remains to be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Another fact is as a RB, He's too brittle thus far and if the Jets opt to use him as a RB between the tackles, his career would be shortened to probably this season and next. His body is too frail.
    You really are clueless, aren't you? Stop acting like Joe McKnight, at 5'11/205 pounds is "too brittle" and/or "too small" for the RB position. Stop being clueless already. Enough is enough.

    Ray Rice: 5'8, 212 pounds.
    LeSean McCoy: 5'11, 208 pounds.
    Reggie Bush: 6'0, 203 pounds.
    Chris Johnson: 5'11, 191 pounds.
    Darren Sproles: 5'6, 190 pounds.
    DeAngelo Williams: 5'9, 215 pounds.
    Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7, 210 pounds.

    Just to name a few. Also, lets not forget that McKnight was listed as 5'11, 205 pounds heading into last season. All reports have it, that he's gained around 15 pounds of muscle/weight (220) and plans to los3 about 7-8 pounds heading into the regular season.

    He'll be around 5'11/212 pounds this season. Stop trying to act like he's "too brittle" and/or his body size is "too small/frail". Get a damn clue already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    You really are clueless, aren't you? Stop acting like Joe McKnight, at 5'11/205 pounds is "too brittle" and/or "too small" for the RB position. Stop being clueless already. Enough is enough.

    Ray Rice: 5'8, 212 pounds.
    LeSean McCoy: 5'11, 208 pounds.
    Reggie Bush: 6'0, 203 pounds.
    Chris Johnson: 5'11, 191 pounds.
    Darren Sproles: 5'6, 190 pounds.
    DeAngelo Williams: 5'9, 215 pounds.
    Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7, 210 pounds.

    Just to name a few. Also, lets not forget that McKnight was listed as 5'11, 205 pounds heading into last season. All reports have it, that he's gained around 15 pounds of muscle/weight (220) and plans to los3 about 7-8 pounds heading into the regular season.

    He'll be around 5'11/212 pounds this season. Stop trying to act like he's "too brittle" and/or his body size is "too small/frail". Get a damn clue already.
    Its not his size im concerned over.
    Joe M has never been a featured back at a professional or collegiate level. Assuming he can adopt that role is one thing, but realize it has never been his forte.

    Add to that the fact that the Jets struggled in the run game last year, LT is no longer on the team (who was a huge safety release valve for Sanchez), there are alot of question marks to say the least going into this season.

    Personally, I think we as Jets fans need to hope that Gannaway starts surprising real soon.........or sign Ryan Grant if he is still available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    Its not his size im concerned over.
    Joe M has never been a featured back at a professional or collegiate level. Assuming he can adopt that role is one thing, but realize it has never been his forte.

    Add to that the fact that the Jets struggled in the run game last year, LT is no longer on the team (who was a huge safety release valve for Sanchez), there are alot of question marks to say the least going into this season.

    Personally, I think we as Jets fans need to hope that Gannaway starts surprising real soon.........or sign Ryan Grant if he is still available.
    I would also add that at some point he needs to stop living off the reputation he gained as one of the most highly recruited running backs coming out of high school. Six going on seven years later and he has yet to live up to that potential and the fact that ANYONE is still referencing it at all is a testament to how little else of note there has been to talk about since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    You really are clueless, aren't you? Stop acting like Joe McKnight, at 5'11/205 pounds is "too brittle" and/or "too small" for the RB position. Stop being clueless already. Enough is enough.

    Ray Rice: 5'8, 212 pounds.
    LeSean McCoy: 5'11, 208 pounds.
    Reggie Bush: 6'0, 203 pounds.
    Chris Johnson: 5'11, 191 pounds.
    Darren Sproles: 5'6, 190 pounds.
    DeAngelo Williams: 5'9, 215 pounds.
    Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7, 210 pounds.

    Just to name a few. Also, lets not forget that McKnight was listed as 5'11, 205 pounds heading into last season. All reports have it, that he's gained around 15 pounds of muscle/weight (220) and plans to los3 about 7-8 pounds heading into the regular season.

    He'll be around 5'11/212 pounds this season. Stop trying to act like he's "too brittle" and/or his body size is "too small/frail". Get a damn clue already.
    No, apparently YOU are the clueless one. It doesn't matter what his size is. It matters how he can take hits. Joe McKnight cannot take hits. He was barely even used at all as a RB last season due in large part to the CS's lack of confidence in him. But besides that point, he came up injured more than once over the course of the season being used almost exclusively as a kick returner.

    Obviously, you know NOTHING about a players ability to take hits having nothing to do with their size. So I guess guys like Andre Wadsworth and Trev Alberts MUST be little runts because they were injury prone, right? I guess Chad Pennington must be a runt also, right? I mean he was injury prone. He was such a runt he could barely see over the line of scrimmage. What about Chaz Schillens? Do you think he's a runt also? Obviously, you must because he's injury prone.

    He was drafted to share RB duties and the fact is he hasn't even come close to living up to those expectations. If the CS does opt to use him that way, you can write it down that Joe McKnight will not last. He'll be out with a season ending injury before long.

    Guys like McKnight are JAGs, nothing more. The credit belongs at the feet of Mike Westoff. Westoff is a pioneer of ST's and belongs in the hall of fame. After McKnight is gone, I would say Westoff would immediately find a replacement without having to waste a 5th rounder on a punk who just wants to get paid. However, Westoff is retiring after this season. So how quickly they find a replacement for McKnight will depend on who the Jets hire to replace Westoff as the ST coordinator. That will likely be someone already on the staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    Its not his size im concerned over.
    Joe M has never been a featured back at a professional or collegiate level. Assuming he can adopt that role is one thing, but realize it has never been his forte.

    Add to that the fact that the Jets struggled in the run game last year, LT is no longer on the team (who was a huge safety release valve for Sanchez), there are alot of question marks to say the least going into this season.

    Personally, I think we as Jets fans need to hope that Gannaway starts surprising real soon.........or sign Ryan Grant if he is still available.
    I think he will. That's the guy that I'm looking at that will save our running game this season, certainly not McKnight.

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