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    Ann Romney’s Horse Lawsuit-Over Drugging a Lame Horse to Sell It

    http://www.politicolnews.com/ann-rom...se-to-sell-it/


    As if we don’t know by now, The Romney’s are not like most Americans, they invest in a rich man’s sport called dressage and some morally depraved horse trading.

    Specifically, Ann Romney’s horse trading experience, includes a lawsuit against her for selling a drugged up horse to a prospective buyer. The horse’s name is Super Hit and the horse was lame, she sold it to a woman named in the law suit as Catherine Norris.

    Ann Romney sold the horse according to court papers, that was lame due to “it’s coffin joint abnormality in the left front leg“. The veterinarian term is called: exostosis that causes chronic pain and is debilitating to the horse.

    Plus, the horse had a secondary lameness injury in the right front leg, enduring physical pain for five years while being trained for dressage under the influence of steroid drugs. It is possible, the horse had more physical injuries by the training period between 2003 and 2008, which would increase the lameness and abnormalities of the Romney horse, Super Hit.


    Mrs. Norris filed a lawsuit against Ann Romney in Ventura County, California after being sold a lame horse. Norris filed against: Jan Eberling, Amy Eberling, Amy Roberts, Ann Romney, Dr. Doug Herthel, DVM, Alamo Pintado Equine Clinic, Inc., and Alamo Pintado Equine Medical Center.

    According to the expert veterinary testimony of Dr.Stephen Soule VMD who has practiced veterinary medicine for 38 years, and who has examined thousands of competition horses, his testimony included this:

    1)The horse was injected with repeated drugs and steroids in the left front joint between 2003 and 2008 for five years.

    2) Anyone with any competence would know the horse was suffering from a significant degree of abnormality and that the horse was not physically sound for the five years.

    )The American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) has information regarding the sale of horses and pre-purchase examinations. Professional guidelines include: The six D’s: Discovery, Documentation, Disclosure, Discussion and Decision and Deposition involving the sale of a horse to a buyer.4) On the day of examination for the sale, Super Hit was given three sedative/pain killer medications and one narcotic.

    In his 38 years of practice, Dr. Soule had never seen “a horse given so many drugs at the same time”. The buyer was not given this information in the testimony given, but showed up in a toxicology report. The drugs were give to present the horse in a different light, to mask the lameness.


    Ann Romney continued to show the horse, and the horse’s scores went down during those years, she could have retired the horse and ensured it was not in pain but then she sold it to Catherine Norris in February of 2008.

    He also mentions in his testimony, that Ann Romney did not have insurance for the lameness in the left front coffin joint in her Equine Insurance policy. The testimony also includes the fact that strenuously training the horse for dressage showings made the horse’s condition worsen to developing ringbone a debilitating disease. The entire court document can be read Here

    The Horse Hobby Dressage, a Romney tax write off

    The Romney’s employed a German trainer, Mr. Ebeling who continues to work for the Romney dressage business which is also used as a tax deduction. The case was settled out of court. NY Times

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    And Obama allowed legislation to re-open horse slaughterhouses.

    This will end up like the dog situation did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post

    And Obama allowed legislation to re-open horse slaughterhouses.

    This will end up like the dog situation did.

    I'm not a lawyer but drugging up a lame horse so that the buyer does not know the horse is lame sounds like fraud to me.

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    LMAO.....

    Getting desperate are we?

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    Yeah, I agree.
    But why so desperate?

    Governor Romney has $250 million (or so we hear) in his name and one of his horses goes lame.

    So does he eat the $125K?

    No, Mrs. Romney tries to find a sucker.

    CRAZY or Stoopid or desperate or just not caring about his fellow man or his own reputation…

    I can’t decide.

    but if you like we'll go with desperate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    I'm not a lawyer
    No, what you are is the Liberal Version of a birther.

    And equally easy to dismiss.

    P.S. No "Christie on Ravenous Attackfest, Eats Six Voters Whole and Raw" news items today? Must be a slow day in he fetid swamps on N.J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    No, what you are is the Liberal Version of a birther.

    And equally easy to dismiss.

    P.S. No "Christie on Ravenous Attackfest, Eats Six Voters Whole and Raw" news items today? Must be a slow day in he fetid swamps on N.J.

    And yet you did not easily dismiss me or dismiss me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but drugging up a lame horse so that the buyer does not know the horse is lame sounds like fraud to me.
    You also aren't a reader, apparently; the allegation is that the horse was drugged so it could compete in shows.

    Not to mention that this article was written by what appears to be a trained monkey handed a typewriter. "The Romney's"? "they invest in . . . some morally depraved horse trading"?

    How does one invest in "morally depraved horse trading"? Is there a fund on the Nasdaq for this? A prospectus?

    I find your ideas fascinating, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Where did you find this guy, Buster?

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    Tony Rezko.

    Maybe it's time to unsweep him out from under the rug?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    You also aren't a reader, apparently; the allegation is that the horse was drugged so it could compete in shows.

    Not to mention that this article was written by what appears to be a trained monkey handed a typewriter. "The Romney's"? "they invest in . . . some morally depraved horse trading"?

    How does one invest in "morally depraved horse trading"? Is there a fund on the Nasdaq for this? A prospectus?

    I find your ideas fascinating, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Where did you find this guy, Buster?
    If you don't like the facts, make fun of the messanger.

    Is that what they taught you in law school?




    4) On the day of examination for the sale, Super Hit was given three sedative/pain killer medications and one narcotic.

    In his 38 years of practice, Dr. Soule had never seen “a horse given so many drugs at the same time”. The buyer was not given this information in the testimony given, but showed up in a toxicology report. The drugs were give to present the horse in a different light, to mask the lameness.

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    There's no way she could have sold this horse without the government's help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    If you don't like the facts, make fun of the messanger.

    Is that what they taught you in law school?
    I have a healthy skepticism of taking anything a political hack writes at face value. And that's where this is coming from. I'd be equally skeptical of a right wing blogger who obviously couldn't string two complete sentences together.

    And one thing I have learned, in law school and practice, is that getting a description of the facts of the case from one party's paid expert isn't a good way to make an independent evaluation of the claims' viability.

    I'd like to see the complaint, answer, rebuttal expert report and outcome before I draw any conclusions.

    But yeah, cite the plaintiff's expert, ignore any response from the defendant, and conclude "see, the plaintiff is right!" That seems like a viable and intellectually honest strategy you've got working there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    If you don't like the facts, make fun of the messanger.

    Is that what they taught you in law school?
    Exhale. Take a step back. Then realize how absurd this story is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Yeah, I agree.
    But why so desperate?

    Governor Romney has $250 million (or so we hear) in his name and one of his horses goes lame.

    So does he eat the $125K?

    No, Mrs. Romney tries to find a sucker.

    CRAZY or Stoopid or desperate or just not caring about his fellow man or his own reputation…

    I can’t decide.

    but if you like we'll go with desperate

    The horses condition was disclosed before purchase and was examined by the buyers vets including toxicology, the women who bought the horse rode it for a full year after purchase and dropped Mrs. Romney from the suit before settling for an undisclosed amount.

    My guess is the buyer new full well the horses condition wanted it bought it and rode the horse into the ground and settled against the trainers for a very small amount. The left wing smear is in full force this year. They have to be, they have nothing positive to run on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    If you don't like the facts, make fun of the messanger.

    Is that what they taught you in law school?
    actually? Probably yes. Discrediting witnesses and whatnot. It helps when they pass the Sith Bar and become politicians.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The horses condition was disclosed before purchase and was examined by the buyers vets including toxicology, the women who bought the horse rode it for a full year after purchase and dropped Mrs. Romney from the suit before settling for an undisclosed amount.

    My guess is the buyer new full well the horses condition wanted it bought it and rode the horse into the ground and settled against the trainers for a very small amount. The left wing smear is in full force this year. They have to be, they have nothing positive to run on.
    So, wait, there's more to the story and Buster's blogger is a hack? I'm shocked. Shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    So, wait, there's more to the story and Buster's blogger is a hack? I'm shocked. Shocked.
    There isn't more to the story it's a frivolous law suit. Everyone knows when you buy a used horse ask for the horse fax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The horses condition was disclosed before purchase and was examined by the buyers vets including toxicology, the women who bought the horse rode it for a full year after purchase and dropped Mrs. Romney from the suit before settling for an undisclosed amount.

    My guess is the buyer new full well the horses condition wanted it bought it and rode the horse into the ground and settled against the trainers for a very small amount. The left wing smear is in full force this year. They have to be, they have nothing positive to run on.
    That contradicts the article I posted. Do you have a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    Exhale. Take a step back. Then realize how absurd this story is.
    IF true it says a lot about Governor Romney. He isn't running on his record as a Governor he is running on the claim that he can "re-ignite" the economy.

    If it turns out he is unethical in his personal business then what does that tell you about how he will run the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    That contradicts the article I posted. Do you have a link?
    You didn't post an article you posted an attack editorial.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/us...pagewanted=all

    The couple’s ties to Mr. Ebeling, 53, have also led to a legal entanglement. In 2010, a San Diego woman sued the trainer, his wife and Mrs. Romney for fraud, claiming that the severity of a foot defect in a horse she bought from Mrs. Romney for $125,000 had been concealed. The case raised questions about whether the Ebelings, who acted as sales agents, intentionally covered up the animal’s condition, and if so, whether Mrs. Romney, a largely absentee owner, knew.

    Lawyers for Mrs. Romney and the Ebelings argued that the buyer was aware of the defect, a condition disclosed by a veterinarian who conducted a prepurchase exam, and denied any effort to deceive her. They pointed out that she continued to ride the horse, named Super Hit, for more than a year after the purchase in 2008.

    Last September, on the eve of a jury trial, Mrs. Romney was dropped from the lawsuit before it was settled out of court, according to the Romney campaign. “The lawsuit was frivolous,” said Gail Gitcho, a Romney spokeswoman. Lawyers for the Ebelings did not return calls.

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