Page 28 of 41 FirstFirst ... 18262728293038 ... LastLast
Results 541 to 560 of 820

Thread: Revisiting Gun Laws in the U.S.

  1. #541
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by long island leprechaun View Post
    Come on now, be fair. The institution of slavery was pretty well embedded in our culture from the beginning. The founders did indeed struggle over how to address slavery, with obvious supporters among the South as well as Southerners who found the institution reprehensible. They wanted to form a government that worked and they had to have the participation of the Southern states to do it. As Jefferson stated, they had the wolf by the ears and it was going to be very difficult to find a way to end the institution of slavery without some conflict. The importation of slaves was curtailed almost immediately. And then the long, angry process of trench warfare commenced. Slavery was a horrific stain on our nation, even at the beginning of its founding, as many European countries had moved on and condemned it. But if you had been a founder, what would you have done? How would you have thought it best to handle this issue? Not one of our great minds, including Lincoln, could come up with simple, even workable solutions.
    Did I claim the founding fathers had a solution to slavery?

    Did I claim the founding fathers had everything figured out and were all-knowing?

    Did I claim that the founding fathers ..."Give a man the freedom to think and do, and there is almost no limit to what he achieve"?

  2. #542
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Posts
    13,553
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    For the people.. cept for slaves, non-males and non-land owners.

    But for the "People".

    And what if the "people" wish to change the rules governing gun ownership (which i personally see little evidence of)?

    My original post was just making fun of (you) and everyone else who always sees the "founding Fathers" in lock-step agreement with their ideas and political view.

    It cracks me up.
    The only thing funny in any of this is that you still don't get that no one is saying anything of the sort.

  3. #543
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    37,752
    Post Thanks / Like
    LiL,

    I wrote a rather length and point-by-point reply. Then I got this:

    The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later.
    Which ate the post, unrecoverable.

    So....

    Apologies, not re-writing 15 min. of stuff with references because J.I. is acting the **** of late.

    Maybe another time (great posts btw).

  4. #544
    All League
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    3,597
    Post Thanks / Like
    Still really can't see the link between gun ownership and liberty - and in actual fact think the facts show that mass gun ownership in the USA has produced the most extreme anti-libertarian conditions possible. Since Robert Kennedy was assassinated more Americans have died as the result of guns domestically than Americans have died in total in any war throughout history, stretching back to the American War of Independence.

    This isn't (or should not be) an argument about personal liberty to own guns - and in actual fact such an argument shows extreme selfishness and a deliberate ignorance as to the result of this argument in the USA (ie the highest death-by-gun rates and murder rates in the developed world). It should be an argument about how to stop gun violence in America, and if you look at how other countries have done it, the only sure way to do it is to take away the guns. Sure, if you use a gun for work, or for sport or have some other legitimate reason for gun ownership, by all means you should have the ability to get one, but otherwise your personal "liberties" should be placed aside in view of the fact tens of thousands of Americans have had their own liberties snuffed out permanently as a result of a country awash in guns.

  5. #545
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    greenwich village, NYC
    Posts
    8,134
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    LiL,

    I wrote a rather length and point-by-point reply. Then I got this:



    Which ate the post, unrecoverable.

    So....

    Apologies, not re-writing 15 min. of stuff with references because J.I. is acting the **** of late.

    Maybe another time (great posts btw).
    Poseidon is angry with you. Take heed!

  6. #546
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    26,252
    Post Thanks / Like
    Let me ask you posters knowledgable with the law.

    Do you think Feinstein's "Registry" invades on your rights? What about publishing people who have firearms in their homes like they're sex offenders or something?

    If you have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, or anyone in your family, why should you have your rights taken AWAY from you in these regards? I understand people want gun control, but control and regulate them from the people who need regulating, not law abiding citizens. This is greater than just "gun control". What's the next step if this passes?

  7. #547
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    4,883
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    Still really can't see the link between gun ownership and liberty - and in actual fact think the facts show that mass gun ownership in the USA has produced the most extreme anti-libertarian conditions possible. Since Robert Kennedy was assassinated more Americans have died as the result of guns domestically than Americans have died in total in any war throughout history, stretching back to the American War of Independence.

    This isn't (or should not be) an argument about personal liberty to own guns - and in actual fact such an argument shows extreme selfishness and a deliberate ignorance as to the result of this argument in the USA (ie the highest death-by-gun rates and murder rates in the developed world). It should be an argument about how to stop gun violence in America, and if you look at how other countries have done it, the only sure way to do it is to take away the guns. Sure, if you use a gun for work, or for sport or have some other legitimate reason for gun ownership, by all means you should have the ability to get one, but otherwise your personal "liberties" should be placed aside in view of the fact tens of thousands of Americans have had their own liberties snuffed out permanently as a result of a country awash in guns.
    ============================================

    Selfish and ignorant says the pot to the kettle. Only those with a legit need, how about a need to protect my self and those around me.

    The SCOTUS has ruled that the people of this great country are responsible for there own protection!

    It is not a difficult concept. And I don't agree with any of your stats on gun violence, they are all cherry picked and misrepresent reality, for the largest extent.

  8. #548
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    4,883
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    Let me ask you posters knowledgable with the law.

    Do you think Feinstein's "Registry" invades on your rights? What about publishing people who have firearms in their homes like they're sex offenders or something?

    If you have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, or anyone in your family, why should you have your rights taken AWAY from you in these regards? I understand people want gun control, but control and regulate them from the people who need regulating, not law abiding citizens. This is greater than just "gun control". What's the next step if this passes?
    =================================================
    \
    Not a law scholar here.
    I think every thing about Feinstein's registry invades on my rights. I think Publishing the names and address of legal gun owners is sleazy, back handed, and completely legal in NJ, but illegal in OR.

    There are too many gun control laws on the books. Passed by no nothing tools who only relay care about making themselves look good and keeping there power.

  9. #549
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    Let me ask you posters knowledgable with the law.

    Do you think Feinstein's "Registry" invades on your rights? What about publishing people who have firearms in their homes like they're sex offenders or something?

    If you have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, or anyone in your family, why should you have your rights taken AWAY from you in these regards? I understand people want gun control, but control and regulate them from the people who need regulating, not law abiding citizens. This is greater than just "gun control". What's the next step if this passes?
    I’m pretty sure your mortgage is public record as is your car registration.

    The Congress just re-authorized FISA.

    IMHO, far more scary.

  10. #550
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    7,775
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by gunnails View Post
    =================================================
    \
    Not a law scholar here.
    I think every thing about Feinstein's registry invades on my rights. I think Publishing the names and address of legal gun owners is sleazy, back handed, and completely legal in NJ, but illegal in OR.

    There are too many gun control laws on the books. Passed by no nothing tools who only relay care about making themselves look good and keeping there power.
    If all the registry does is publish names of gun owners it does not violate anything in the US Constitution. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that conflicts with it. And I am a supporter of the right to bear arms and own guns myself. Do I want people to know I own guns? Sure, why not, makes me a hard target.

  11. #551
    All League
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    3,597
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by gunnails View Post
    ============================================

    Selfish and ignorant says the pot to the kettle. Only those with a legit need, how about a need to protect my self and those around me.

    The SCOTUS has ruled that the people of this great country are responsible for there own protection!

    It is not a difficult concept. And I don't agree with any of your stats on gun violence, they are all cherry picked and misrepresent reality, for the largest extent.
    Look man I am doing pot and kettle, or at least a pretty big form of hypocrisy given I'm lecturing and don't even live in the USA. It is a bit silly for me to even really be posting in this thread - my only real input has been to point out the Nazis are obviously not left wing, but right wing.

    Having said that my stats do not misrepresent reality, are indeed accurate - I just cannot understand a country that is very similar to my own having this absurd love affair with guns and even more absurdly equating it with "freedom", when in actual fact the opposite appears to be true.

    Anyway, hope everyone has a great new years etc, and try not to become a statistic: remember a gun is 22 times more likely to kill or injure a loved one than to protect against an intruder. Happy New Years.

  12. #552
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    26,252
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by gunnails View Post
    =================================================
    \
    Not a law scholar here.
    I think every thing about Feinstein's registry invades on my rights. I think Publishing the names and address of legal gun owners is sleazy, back handed, and completely legal in NJ, but illegal in OR.

    There are too many gun control laws on the books. Passed by no nothing tools who only relay care about making themselves look good and keeping there power.
    Furthermore, rights are going to be taken away from law abiding citizens. That's my main problem. Someone is not taking steps to regulate firearms, rather remove the rights from the majority of the country who is law abiding and responsible.

    Let's not forget that Feinstein herself has a concealed carry permit in the state of California, if the pot's calling the kettle black.

  13. #553
    All Pro
    Annoying Chowd

    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    6,264
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    Still really can't see the link between gun ownership and liberty - and in actual fact think the facts show that mass gun ownership in the USA has produced the most extreme anti-libertarian conditions possible. Since Robert Kennedy was assassinated more Americans have died as the result of guns domestically than Americans have died in total in any war throughout history, stretching back to the American War of Independence.

    This isn't (or should not be) an argument about personal liberty to own guns - and in actual fact such an argument shows extreme selfishness and a deliberate ignorance as to the result of this argument in the USA (ie the highest death-by-gun rates and murder rates in the developed world). It should be an argument about how to stop gun violence in America, and if you look at how other countries have done it, the only sure way to do it is to take away the guns. Sure, if you use a gun for work, or for sport or have some other legitimate reason for gun ownership, by all means you should have the ability to get one, but otherwise your personal "liberties" should be placed aside in view of the fact tens of thousands of Americans have had their own liberties snuffed out permanently as a result of a country awash in guns.


  14. #554
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    If all the registry does is publish names of gun owners it does not violate anything in the US Constitution. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that conflicts with it. And I am a supporter of the right to bear arms and own guns myself. Do I want people to know I own guns? Sure, why not, makes me a hard target.

    Ah, but it makes your next door neighbor who is NOT on the registry a SOFT target, right?
    And what about someone who wants to break in and steal YOUR gun when you're not home.
    I believe the registry is an invasion of privacy rights.

    How about, if on the internet, the names and addresses of the editor's wife and children, their schools and itinerary were published? Tit for tat?
    Both are wrong.

  15. #555
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    4,883
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    try not to become a statistic: remember a gun is 22 times more likely to kill or injure a loved one than to protect against an intruder.
    ==============================================

    Another cherry picked stat that misrepresents reality.

  16. #556
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    4,883
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    If all the registry does is publish names of gun owners it does not violate anything in the US Constitution. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that conflicts with it. And I am a supporter of the right to bear arms and own guns myself. Do I want people to know I own guns? Sure, why not, makes me a hard target.
    =========================================

    I did not mean to imply that publishing the names of gun owners is unconstitutional. I just feel it is sleezy and done to punish gun owners.

  17. #557
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Un-Pleasantville
    Posts
    6,436
    Post Thanks / Like
    Uh, gun grabbing morons of all nations unite?

    According to lib geniuses, I mean the anti-American pukes here the laffs are coming at a rapid clip, fast and furious:

    National Socialism = Right Wing

    Ex post facto laws applied to guns are A-OK
    Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 of the Constitution be damned

    FISA is scary - Islamokook phone calls to the Ummah are sacred

    The 2nd Amendment has many, many restrictions not enumerated within

    More guns in circulation makes us less free


    *********

    Criminalizing the legal and vice versa - what the left does best!

  18. #558
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    49,999
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by gunnails View Post
    =========================================

    I did not mean to imply that publishing the names of gun owners is unconstitutional. I just feel it is sleezy and done to punish gun owners.
    it's public information, has been for years.

  19. #559
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Portland Oregon
    Posts
    4,883
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    it's public information, has been for years.
    =========================================

    I'm fully aware that in most of the US it is legal public information.

    Although not in the great state of Oregon. Of course we don't register our guns out here. But we did have to pass a law to prevent our state's sleeze bag paper (The Oregonian) from publishing the names of concealed weapons permit holders, lucky for us our sheriffs withheld the info till we could get the law passed.

    What I am saying is that when a newspaper tasks a reporter to gather all this info, then create an interactive map showing the location and names of those with registered firearms and or concealed weapons permits, and at the same time omit to include the address and name of the gun owning reporter who created the interactive map, it is an act of sleeze and punishment in reporting.

    Fargin disgusting, I don't know how you all put up with it.

  20. #560
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    37,752
    Post Thanks / Like
    I wonder if the opinions would be the same if someone posted the home addresses and telephone numbers of all registered Democrat voters in a given area. I believe thats public knowledge as well.

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us