be honest. if this freak was only armed with a HANDGUN......a 6 shot REVOLVER......
he would have been able to kill just as many people. maybe 4 or 5 less....MAYBE ..........but nothing tragic would have been prevented. get real
the problem is society and nutjobs
In my school we drill for these types of emergencies every month. The reality is that we can never truly be prepared if this type of tragedy occurs. With that said, the type of gun that is used could make the difference between a few tragic deaths or a classroom full of slaughtered victims. If there is even a 1% chance that a gunman could be apprehended before more blood is spilled isn't it worth it?
Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 12-15-2012 at 12:56 AM.
You must be 21 to purchase a machine gun in the US. The following states allow private ownership of machine guns if registered with ATF: AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI, WY. Some states have their own registration requirements, but most just say you have to have it registered with ATF.
Any machine gun that can be privately owned has to have been manufactured and registered prior to May, 1986.
Hopefully this day will be the one that draws the line in the sand with the idiot politicians who really should feel like they need to take a long shower by now after aligning themselves with the like of the NRA. These weapons, and you now exactly which ones I'm referring to should be outlawed on a federal level.
Last edited by movethechains; 12-15-2012 at 02:49 AM.
22 kids stabbed in china, 0 dead
It's the knowledgable gun nuts like yourself who have promoted the legal purchase with virtually no background checks of semi-automatic hand guns that are easily concealable and assault rifles that continually fall into the hands of the mentally deranged or those who simply don't have the temperment to carry or have access to deadly force who are slaugtering the innocent multiple times a year in this country.
The secondary market for guns are virtually unregulted and they easily move from state to state.
It's about time we called out those who feel the need to arm themselves to the gills and let these arms fall into the hands of criminals and the insane for what they are, freigtened pusseys to afraid to face their neighbors without deadly force available 24/7.
Do we know that these guns were legal and registered to this nutjob? I know it is not possible to legally get a gun in NJ without a background check.
Here are the NJ gun laws simplified you can refer to all the sections that are bolded that state rarely issues that make me think that if he had an "assualt weapon" it wasn't legally his.:
Main article: Gun laws in New Jersey
Subject/Law Long guns Handguns Relevant statutes Notes State Permit to Purchase? Yes Yes Lifetime purchase card required. Different one for handguns.
Firearm registration? No No* *Police record of transfers.
Owner license required? No No Purchase card is for purchase only
"Assault weapon" law? Yes Yes 15 round magazine limit. Assault weapons are allowed with license but are rarely issued unless you are a law enforcement officer or show specific need. LEOs are issued Assault weapon licenses for personal weapons as well.
Carry permits issued? *Yes Yes New Jersey is a "may-issue state by law. Although it rarely issues carry permits to any applicants unless you are a law enforcement officer or show specific need.
Open carry? No Yes Licensed open-carry allowed. Licenses rarely issued.
State Preemption of local restrictions? Yes Yes
NFA weapons restricted? Yes Yes Almost all NFA weapons are restricted. Allowed with license but rarely granted unless you are a law enforcement officer or show specific need.
Peaceable Journey laws? Yes Yes
There needs to be a tighter check in place to purchase guns. If one is mentally unstable or lives with someone who is, they should not be allowed to buy guns or ammo.
What's wrong with making a psychological profile a requirement?
How about Speech? Or Religion, that'd be a good one.
I've suffered from Depression twice in my life. Should I be barred from my rights for that, you think?
The problem is there is no easy, simple solution to this issue. Even a full 100% ban will not stop this, as a man willing to blow away a room full of kids will be willing to get a gun illegally.
And I would meanintain that 30,000,000 legal and law abiding Americans cannot and should not lose their rights because 1 man did something horrible. The precedent that sets is not one I wish to see....
The last refuge for the tiny balled.
I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but those who are mentally unstable need to be prevented from gun ownership.
Suffice to say, gun ownership and testicle size have nothing do with each other. 30,000,000 legal, responsible and absolutely law abiding gun owners shouldn't be vilified because of the actions of one distrubed man our of 350,000,000 Americans.
I've already stareted hearing (from the other side) how gaming and Hollywood are to blame as well, an equally silly claim.
As I said above, there is no easy, simple answer to humanities penchant for violence and outburst.
Just curious, it's important to be specific, and when discussing the revoking of rights, we should be very VERY clear about it.
I'll be honest, I'd prefer to seethe second Amendment amended/removed. And a new Amendment written to more accurately, clearly and intelligently provide gun ownership rights, while providing more clear-cut ways to limit and regulate such ownership and what kinds of guns can be owned.
I'm happy to find a middle ground solution, a compromise, but only if it's done right. Doing it right is not yet more gun laws that won't work and are ignored, it's going to the core of the issue and fixing that first, then re-writing the laws from there.