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    Pro Football Focus on the Otah Trade ; A Balanced View

    Jeff Otah: Everyoneís a Winner

    July 24th, 2012 |
    Author: Khaled Elsayed

    No denying yesterday was a busy day for the front office of the Carolina Panthers.

    They kicked off the day by adding some depth to their receiver position by trading for Louis Murphy. Then, with rumors of the Panthers working on another deal, I canít have been the only one surprised to see Carolina finally give up on talented tackle Jeff Otah. For a conditional pick, he was traded away to the New York Jets.

    Given the situations of both teams involved, and of Otah himself, I canít help but feel that this is a good move for all parties.



    The Hunter becomes the Hunted

    It wasnít so long ago that Matt Slauson said ďwe have Wayne (Hunter), and in our opinion, thatís an upgradeĒ. As an exercise in why fans should rarely believe anything their players tell them regarding personnel (what was he going to say? That the new starter was stinking the joint out and he longed for the day Damien Woody would come out of retirement), Slauson tried to inspire confidence in his beleaguered right tackle.

    It didnít work.

    The problem was that Jets fans had become accustomed to not noticing their right tackle all that much. And that was a good thing. We started grading NFL players in the 2008 season and the Jets were blessed with about as good a right tackle as there was. You didnít notice Damien Woody giving up pressure, because he didnít. You didnít need to notice him in the run game because you were too busy celebrating the fact that Thomas Jones was picking up yards without doing much to get them.

    Indeed Jets fans were spoilt. After three seasons of dominance (Woody earned a combined +70.6 grade from 2008 to 2010) the leagueís top right tackle retired, and in his place came a guy who spent the prior three seasons playing the role of an additional lineman and filling in for Woody when he was out through injury (substitute appearances that rarely went well). Suffice it to say that things didnít improve for Hunter in a full time role.

    Only some truly inept play from Barry Richardson, Jeromey Clary and Lance Louis prevented Hunter being our lowest graded right tackle, his -31.1 grade was a long way from what the Jets were used to getting. For Gang Green it meant going from a guy who gave up 52 combined sacks, hits and hurries in three years, to one who would give up 54 in a single season. Throw in 11 penalties for Hunter (Woody had 14 in three years combined), some less than impressive run blocking and you have a real tale of riches to rags for the Jets.

    That Vladimir Ducasse was unable to supplant Hunter and looked woeful in his 97 snaps (-5.3) in 2011, was even more of a concern. Ducasse was a second round pick and has failed to beat out even the poorest of starting right tackles in the league, so just how bad is he? The Jets brought in both Ray Willis and Stephon Heyer in late May, Willis was later waived, to offer some veteran competition but Ducasseís inability to challenge Hunter for the starting job forced the Jets into making another move.

    The Jets were a team out of options at tackle, and with Mario Williams moving to the AFC East and penciled in to start at DLE for the Buffalo Bills, you could almost smell the carnage that would have followed with Hunter going up against Super Mario. I know I havenít forgotten the sack and five hurries Williams managed in Week 11 of the 2010 season, when the two were lined up against each other just 14 times.

    Apparently neither had the Jets.

    The Real Upgrade

    There was a reason the Panthers traded up in the first round of the 2008 NFL draft to pick Jeff Otah. There are few tackles with his physical talent. Heís not the most athletic of tackles, but heís one of the most powerful. With a team that had DeAngelo Williams on the roster and had spent an earlier 2008 first round pick on Jonathan Stewart, they were going to try and overpower an NFC South that wasnít home to the most stout defenses in the league. The early signs were encouraging for Otah, who handled himself well in the first quarter of his rookie year (outside of a schooling from Ray Edwards) before missing the middle of the season. Still he came back and finished strong with all of his last seven games earning positives grades. His season (including the playoffs) ended with a +8.8 grade, giving up just 18 combined sacks, hits and hurries.

    He wasnít quite as impressive in 2009 as the Panthers struggled to replicate the form that had won them the NFC South. Instead he squeaked out a positive grade for the year (+0.3) but was again unable to play a full slate of games. He missed the final three, and would then miss all of 2010. Still he was in the starting lineup in 2011, though he looked far from his best in the season opener before sitting out another game. He returned for a three game stretch looking to be back to his best form before injury struck again and another season was lost for him.

    Thereís no doubting that he has talent, but clearly Otah is a guy that has huge problems staying on the field for an extended period of time. Anytime a team gives up on that much potential youíve got to ask even more questions about whether he really has the body or mentality to get back on the field and stay on it. For the Jets itís a no risk deal. If Otah is healthy he canít fail to be any better than what they already have. If he canít stay healthy, then theyíre in no worse a situation than they were in before. Any time a team tries to get better at a position you have to applaud them.

    Cutting ties

    For Carolina to get rid of him, you would think would make them a worse team. After all theyíre now left with Byron Bell and Garry Williams fighting for the right tackle spot. Neither man is likely to fill you with confidence based on how they have played over the past two years. Bell put together a year in 2011 that earned him a *-26.2 grade, although when you think he was an undrafted rookie you think he could have done a lot worse than give up seven sacks, seven hits and 24 hurries (heck, Wayne Hunter would have killed for those numbers). 2009 UDFA Williams was spotty as a starter in 2010, having some decent games, but also getting some severe beat-downs on more than a few occasions.

    Neither man has the talent of Otah, but then what good was that talent to the Panthers? Stability is a big part of an offensive line and if youíre going to have to constantly chop and change at the right tackle spot, youíre shooting yourself in the foot. With questions aplenty within the organization as to whether Otah was soft or had the required motivation to deliver on potential, why do the same dance you did last year? Moving on is sometimes the hardest thing, but you need to be bold with these decisions, otherwise youíll never rectify the situation.

    Win-win

    So kudos to the Jets for realizing that they hadnít in fact upgraded on Damien Woody. Kudos to Carolina for moving on from an unfulfilling relationship. And kudos to Jeff Otah, because sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes to get you back to your best. Just ask Laurent Robinson, Jared Gaither or Willis McGahee. The best could be yet to come from the big man.

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    (Woody earned a combined +70.6 grade from 2008 to 2010) the leagueís top right tackle

    (Hunter was almost the lowest graded right tackle -31.1 grade)

    Woody gave up 52 combined sacks, hits and hurries in three years
    Hunter gave up 54 in a single season.
    Throw in 11 penalties for Hunter (Woody had 14 in three years combined),

    ... crazy ...




    l_j_r

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    Thank you for this article....

    What is truly amazing is that some will defend Hunter and somehow say well it was Sanchez who was at fault.

    No QB can perform well when their starting OL is featuring some of the worst OL play in the NFL, no one, and to suggest otherwise is just fantsy football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamont_jordan_rules View Post
    ... crazy ...




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    If those numbers are real than Hunter the doggystyle turnstile was truly horrific last year.

    Shoddy compounded the situation by making predictable overcomplicated, rigid plays that really tanked the O. No wonder Holmes was pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FijiJet View Post
    If those numbers are real than Hunter the doggystyle turnstile was truly horrific last year.

    Shoddy compounded the situation by making predictable overcomplicated, rigid plays that really tanked the O. No wonder Holmes was pissed.
    You can't blame everything on one guy. If a play didn't work then obviously everyone on the field, and on the coaching staff is horrible. Santonio got angry, threw a fit, and now should be shot. There's no way we'll even win 6 games until Rex, and Sanchez are fired. We were lucky to win the 2 games we won last year.

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    You're welcome on the article ...

    No one thinks the oline fault's were all Hunter's ... they had some injuries that played a factor.

    To temper the enthusiasm, Jason (NYJetscap.com) has posted some sobering stats on Jeff Otahs pass blocking skills. When healthy he is a top run blocking OT. However his pass blocking grades out at the low end of the league starters ... surprising.

    That said, if Otah can get healthy, he is an upgrade.
    Hunter's going no where, his salary is guaranteed this year and for two million plus the Jets plan on getting him to play better this year.

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    The Jets as a team and as a coaching staff were focus on having Wayne Hunter as the starter at RT for the upcoming 2012 season as was evident by them resigning him.The Question i would ask is :

    "Did the play of Quinton Coples get Hunter fired or forced the organization to make this move"?

    I remember reading how the QBs were sacked or harrassed multiple times during the OTA practices.

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    Who they trading for to push Dbrick? He gave up more sacks than Hunter did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    Jeff Otah: Everyoneís a Winner

    July 24th, 2012 |
    Author: Khaled Elsayed

    No denying yesterday was a busy day for the front office of the Carolina Panthers.

    They kicked off the day by adding some depth to their receiver position by trading for Louis Murphy. Then, with rumors of the Panthers working on another deal, I canít have been the only one surprised to see Carolina finally give up on talented tackle Jeff Otah. For a conditional pick, he was traded away to the New York Jets.

    Given the situations of both teams involved, and of Otah himself, I canít help but feel that this is a good move for all parties.



    The Hunter becomes the Hunted

    It wasnít so long ago that Matt Slauson said ďwe have Wayne (Hunter), and in our opinion, thatís an upgradeĒ. As an exercise in why fans should rarely believe anything their players tell them regarding personnel (what was he going to say? That the new starter was stinking the joint out and he longed for the day Damien Woody would come out of retirement), Slauson tried to inspire confidence in his beleaguered right tackle.

    It didnít work.

    The problem was that Jets fans had become accustomed to not noticing their right tackle all that much. And that was a good thing. We started grading NFL players in the 2008 season and the Jets were blessed with about as good a right tackle as there was. You didnít notice Damien Woody giving up pressure, because he didnít. You didnít need to notice him in the run game because you were too busy celebrating the fact that Thomas Jones was picking up yards without doing much to get them.

    Indeed Jets fans were spoilt. After three seasons of dominance (Woody earned a combined +70.6 grade from 2008 to 2010) the leagueís top right tackle retired, and in his place came a guy who spent the prior three seasons playing the role of an additional lineman and filling in for Woody when he was out through injury (substitute appearances that rarely went well). Suffice it to say that things didnít improve for Hunter in a full time role.

    Only some truly inept play from Barry Richardson, Jeromey Clary and Lance Louis prevented Hunter being our lowest graded right tackle, his -31.1 grade was a long way from what the Jets were used to getting. For Gang Green it meant going from a guy who gave up 52 combined sacks, hits and hurries in three years, to one who would give up 54 in a single season. Throw in 11 penalties for Hunter (Woody had 14 in three years combined), some less than impressive run blocking and you have a real tale of riches to rags for the Jets.

    That Vladimir Ducasse was unable to supplant Hunter and looked woeful in his 97 snaps (-5.3) in 2011, was even more of a concern. Ducasse was a second round pick and has failed to beat out even the poorest of starting right tackles in the league, so just how bad is he? The Jets brought in both Ray Willis and Stephon Heyer in late May, Willis was later waived, to offer some veteran competition but Ducasseís inability to challenge Hunter for the starting job forced the Jets into making another move.

    The Jets were a team out of options at tackle, and with Mario Williams moving to the AFC East and penciled in to start at DLE for the Buffalo Bills, you could almost smell the carnage that would have followed with Hunter going up against Super Mario. I know I havenít forgotten the sack and five hurries Williams managed in Week 11 of the 2010 season, when the two were lined up against each other just 14 times.

    Apparently neither had the Jets.

    The Real Upgrade

    There was a reason the Panthers traded up in the first round of the 2008 NFL draft to pick Jeff Otah. There are few tackles with his physical talent. Heís not the most athletic of tackles, but heís one of the most powerful. With a team that had DeAngelo Williams on the roster and had spent an earlier 2008 first round pick on Jonathan Stewart, they were going to try and overpower an NFC South that wasnít home to the most stout defenses in the league. The early signs were encouraging for Otah, who handled himself well in the first quarter of his rookie year (outside of a schooling from Ray Edwards) before missing the middle of the season. Still he came back and finished strong with all of his last seven games earning positives grades. His season (including the playoffs) ended with a +8.8 grade, giving up just 18 combined sacks, hits and hurries.

    He wasnít quite as impressive in 2009 as the Panthers struggled to replicate the form that had won them the NFC South. Instead he squeaked out a positive grade for the year (+0.3) but was again unable to play a full slate of games. He missed the final three, and would then miss all of 2010. Still he was in the starting lineup in 2011, though he looked far from his best in the season opener before sitting out another game. He returned for a three game stretch looking to be back to his best form before injury struck again and another season was lost for him.

    Thereís no doubting that he has talent, but clearly Otah is a guy that has huge problems staying on the field for an extended period of time. Anytime a team gives up on that much potential youíve got to ask even more questions about whether he really has the body or mentality to get back on the field and stay on it. For the Jets itís a no risk deal. If Otah is healthy he canít fail to be any better than what they already have. If he canít stay healthy, then theyíre in no worse a situation than they were in before. Any time a team tries to get better at a position you have to applaud them.

    Cutting ties

    For Carolina to get rid of him, you would think would make them a worse team. After all theyíre now left with Byron Bell and Garry Williams fighting for the right tackle spot. Neither man is likely to fill you with confidence based on how they have played over the past two years. Bell put together a year in 2011 that earned him a *-26.2 grade, although when you think he was an undrafted rookie you think he could have done a lot worse than give up seven sacks, seven hits and 24 hurries (heck, Wayne Hunter would have killed for those numbers). 2009 UDFA Williams was spotty as a starter in 2010, having some decent games, but also getting some severe beat-downs on more than a few occasions.

    Neither man has the talent of Otah, but then what good was that talent to the Panthers? Stability is a big part of an offensive line and if youíre going to have to constantly chop and change at the right tackle spot, youíre shooting yourself in the foot. With questions aplenty within the organization as to whether Otah was soft or had the required motivation to deliver on potential, why do the same dance you did last year? Moving on is sometimes the hardest thing, but you need to be bold with these decisions, otherwise youíll never rectify the situation.

    Win-win

    So kudos to the Jets for realizing that they hadnít in fact upgraded on Damien Woody. Kudos to Carolina for moving on from an unfulfilling relationship. And kudos to Jeff Otah, because sometimes a change of scenery is all it takes to get you back to your best. Just ask Laurent Robinson, Jared Gaither or Willis McGahee. The best could be yet to come from the big man.
    Good read but I would disagree with one point here. Hunter actually played extremely well when filling in admirably for Woody when he got hurt towards the end of 2 seasons ago. Last year it all went downhill. It wasnt always downhill as the article stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srobjets View Post
    Who they trading for to push Dbrick? He gave up more sacks than Hunter did.
    Off year for D'Brick.

    He has too much talent for that to happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetglass View Post
    Good read but I would disagree with one point here. Hunter actually played extremely well when filling in admirably for Woody when he got hurt towards the end of 2 seasons ago. Last year it all went downhill. It wasnt always downhill as the article stated.
    yeah, that's why i had hope for hunter. he played very well the last few games of the 2010 seasn and in the playoffs. the entire OL play was down last season.

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    Good read. I have a feeling that this trade is going to pay massive dividends for the Jets...But I feel as the article says, it's a total win win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetglass View Post
    Good read but I would disagree with one point here. Hunter actually played extremely well when filling in admirably for Woody when he got hurt towards the end of 2 seasons ago. Last year it all went downhill. It wasnt always downhill as the article stated.
    That's what happens when teams have some time to study film.

    Weaknesses are exposed.

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