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    US Joins Russia and China in Trying to Weaken Arms Trade Treaty

    Many governments and most U.S. allies agree with human rights groups that the Arms Trade Treaty should not permit weapons exports where there is a substantial risk of serious human rights violations or war crimes, like those being committed in Syria. However some influential states, including the United States, Russia and China, are trying to promote weaker treaty rules.

    The United States should seek better company.

    On Thursday, July 12, U.S. negotiators asserted that even a substantial risk of mass atrocities should not necessarily prevent states from proceeding with arms exports. Just hours later, the news broke about yet another atrocity in Syria—reports describe the Syrian army’s attack on the village of Tremseh with helicopter gunships and tanks.

    The unfortunate timing of the Syrian tragedy and the U.S. delegation’s back tracking at the United Nations highlight the deadly consequences of the absence of any clear international constraints on the flow of conventional weapons.

    The Arms Trade Treaty presents a once-in-a-generation opportunity to stop arms from getting into the hands of dictators like Syria’s Bashar Assad. The negotiations now underway are the culmination of a decade-long effort to get nations to assume responsibility for preventing the flow of arms used to perpetrate human rights abuses.
    A strong treaty with human rights at its core — which has the support of most NATO countries, Canada, Japan, Australia and other close U.S. allies – would also curb exports of weapons that escalate drug wars, sex trafficking, and sexual violence.

    One person dies every minute in armed conflict; 1,500 people every single day. In more than 60 percent of the human rights abuses documented by Amnesty International, weapons were involved, from mass rapes and executions to disappearances and the recruitment of child soldiers.

    These are the real weapons of mass destruction, killing person by person and village by village.

    Amnesty was shocked to learn that there are more stringent rules governing the global trade on bananas and bottled water than there are on the export of AK-47s.

    A strong Arms Trade Treaty has the potential to begin to bring some control over a world awash in weapons that fuel armed conflicts and human rights abuses.

    As these negotiations reach their conclusion this month, the United States should stand with its allies, not align itself with Russia, China, and other unscrupulous arms suppliers. Without U.S. leadership to promote a strong Arms Trade Treaty, irresponsible countries will continue to send weapons to Syria, Sudan, and other crisis spots, exploiting loopholes carved out by the United States against its own long-term interests.

    President Obama must not weaken this vital global effort.

    The Administration has acknowledged that the Arms Trade Treaty would implement global standards that are similar to those that the United States has already adopted in its own approach to arms transfers. The State Department, according to its website,

    “vets its assistance to foreign security forces, as well as certain Department of Defense training programs, to ensure that recipients have not committed gross human rights abuses. When the vetting process uncovers credible evidence … [of] a gross violation of human rights, U.S. assistance is withheld.”

    So why is the U.S delegation at the arms talks advancing a global standard weaker than existing U.S. practice?

    According to its statement on Thursday, the U.S. government now prefers a treaty that only requires countries to take “into account” a range of considerations – including human rights concerns, national security, and regional stability – before deciding to ship weapons to countries where the risk they will be used to commit serious violations of human rights is high. Especially troubling is the United States’ assertion that “we want to ensure that states are asking the right questions and striving to strike the right balance when making decisions about the export of conventional arms.”

    This fence-straddling approach won’t stop the flow of guns and bullets, tanks and gunships into the hands of dictators, armed militias and others.

    After more than ten years of work to place the treaty on the U.N. agenda, we need a clear international standard against arms transfers that fuel abuses. The absence of such constraints has allowed weapons to pour into Syria, making possible 16 months of government-sponsored bloodshed that has claimed more than 14,000 lives. Those who have exported weapons to Syria are willing accomplices to the conflict.

    It’s time for the United States to help end this onslaught and come out in favor of an Arms Trade Treaty that is strong on human rights.

    http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/us-joi...-trade-treaty/

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    Translation: We the people who make up the government of the United States promise to make sure NOTHING gets in the way of the defense companies and their ability to make as much as possible. Because the defense companies helped put us in power, keep us there and make us wealthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Translation: We the people who make up the government of the United States promise to make sure NOTHING gets in the way of the defense companies and their ability to make as much as possible. Because the defense companies helped put us in power, keep us there and make us wealthy.
    They also employ people when employment is scarce and provide a high quality product which we can trade for commodities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    They also employ people when employment is scarce and provide a high quality product which we can trade for commodities.
    So the ends justify the means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    So the ends justify the means?
    I'm just pointing out that your knee jerk reason that this is about a Government conspiracy to make our defense industry gobs of money is way to simplistic an answer. There may be lots of reasons including flexability for the President in dealing with our foreign policy when it doesn't align with the UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I'm just pointing out that your knee jerk reason that this is about a Government conspiracy to make our defense industry gobs of money is way to simplistic an answer. There may be lots of reasons including flexability for the President in dealing with our foreign policy when it doesn't align with the UN.
    There are many factors but it would be foolish to ever discount greed as a motivating factor in anything related to our government. Or for that matter, the influence of money on our elected officials.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 07-25-2012 at 01:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    There are many factors but it would be foolish to ever discount greed as a motivating factor in anything related to our government. Or for that matter, the influence of money on our elected officials.
    I'm all for having lower tax rates and a cleaner tax policy along with less regulations that prevent new companies from entering markets. I'm fully aware that the kind of tax policy and regulations that libs support have created both curropt tax policy and regulation that corporations will use to benifit themselves. That said I'm not for turning over what might be an important tool in foreign policy over to the UN. There may well be times where we want to support rebels or governments with arms if its in our interest to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I'm all for having lower tax rates and a cleaner tax policy...
    Flat Universal (all pay) Consuption Tax for Individuals, with Exceptions Only for Vitals (Food, Medicine and the like).

    Flat Universal (all pay) Business Tax Rate for All Business, No Exceptions.

    And Subsidy for a business/industry must be voted on by itself, as it's own legislation with no addons or riders, in an up/down vote.

    That system will work.

    That said I'm not for turning over what might be an important tool in foreign policy over to the UN. There may well be times where we want to support rebels or governments with arms if its in our interest to do so.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Translation: We the people who make up the government of the United States promise to make sure NOTHING gets in the way of the defense companies and their ability to make as much as possible. Because the defense companies helped put us in power, keep us there and make us wealthy.


    Once again I have to call you out on your lack of knowledge.
    When will you think before you post? I am potentially omnipresent.

    Both Lockheed Martin and Northrup Grumman ( two of the biggies) have profit of about $2bill per year. WOW. Boeing is good for $3.5 bill but 2/3s is commercial.
    So where exactly are these behemoths of the war machine. More liberal nonsense. No wonder, as an educator, you are failing. You are uninformed, as are our students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Translation: We the people who make up the government of the United States promise to make sure NOTHING gets in the way of the defense companies and their ability to make as much as possible. Because the defense companies helped put us in power, keep us there and make us wealthy.
    Translation: WTP agree to never outsource our National Defense or Military independence to the UN. The same "human rights" groups that spend most of their time attacking Israel for defending itself from terrorists bent on its destruction can not be put in charge of who we sell weapons to. The concept is absurd at its core.

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    When I read the thread title, I was sure the first post was going to say "A communist leader."

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