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  1. #41
    Pace (what a misnomer) has been a big let down for the Jets and overpaid for his production. He needs to step up his game and get off his lazy a$$. With more of a 4-3 front etc he can be phased out and Jets draft a better OLB than him next year

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    It's amazing how one fan's comment on a player when observing him in camp, starts a brigade of player trashing.

    When healthy, Pace is a very good player, he's a veteran now, and because he isn't playing 100 miles an hour after the first day of camp, out comes the hate?

    C'mon guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    It's amazing how one fan's comment on a player when observing him in camp, starts a brigade of player trashing.

    When healthy, Pace is a very good player, he's a veteran now, and because he isn't playing 100 miles an hour after the first day of camp, out comes the hate?

    C'mon guys
    I don't think this is the first time many people have voiced their displeasure with him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    And you know this how?

    Love this line of guessing.
    I was lurking Pats Nation and there was a thread with 6 minutes of video ... Dude was a robot ... No drops during what looked like 11 on 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flymax View Post
    Sanchez throws rockets on Target..tebow not as accurate or fast..all hot babes in raincoats..hot faces...lankster fast and good in coverage...Coples huge fast and tossing the sled harder and farther .. also soprano wasn't messing
    around
    Did he get after the QB?

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    Pace is a veteran player in a contract year. He is unlikely to run around the field like a 23 year old on the first few days of camp. Overall he has not been worth what we paid for him but I do expect us to get good value out of him this year as he auditions for his next deal somewhere else.

    Not too worried about the QBs having a down day. The offense dominated on day one and it was fairly predictable that the defense, a prideful unit, would stick it back to them the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    This is for you to read!


    Tebow, Sanchez struggle in practice Sunday
    July, 29, 2012
    By James Walker | ESPN.com - It was a dominant day for the New York Jets defense Sunday. ESPNNewYork’s Jane McManus reports Jets quarterbacks Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez both struggled, going a combined 2-for-14 passing in team drills.

    Each quarterback completed just one pass against New York’s defense, which finished fifth in the NFL last season. Both quarterbacks were reportedly better in 7-on-7 drills, which is advantageous to the offense because there’s no pass rush.

    There is not an open quarterback competition between Sanchez and Tebow, but all eyes still are on the quarterbacks. If Sanchez struggles early during the regular season, the Jets will be pressured to put Tebow in the starting lineup.

    Playing against New York’s defense every day is not easy. There will be some growing pains, but the Jets hope it makes their quarterbacks better.


    I guess facts are facts! You understand what I am saying I think.
    Heres one for you to read. A reporter from Toronto:
    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    Day 3, and stop #2, of my 7-team #nflcamp tour today takes me to The Soap Opera in Cortland NY -- aka #NYJets camp. Cue cheesey organ...

    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    #NYJ first practice in pads more physical after 75 minutes by considerable margin than same at yesterday's #billscamp -- esp 9-on-7 drill

    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    Column on my Tebow Touch at #NYJets camp today + why he can't throw, with my photos showing his gawdawful motion: http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/



    CORTLAND, N.Y. — I got a hand on as many Tim Tebow throws as his wide receivers did Sunday morning during his first series of 11-on-11 reps at New York Jets training camp.

    Honest ta gawd, I think I did.

    That as much as anything shows how ridiculous it is, really, that anyone might think Tebow would give the Jets a better chance to win than entrenched starter Mark Sanchez. At least in a traditional NFL offence.

    Here’s how my Tebow Touch happened.

    The pop-culture phenom went 0-for-3 on that series. His first incompletion was a swing pass to the left. He misfired, hard and high. The ball skipped up and over the advertising signs that separate the media from the main practice field at SUNY-Cortland.

    I happened to be standing at that exact spot, behind the signs, taking photographs. The ball bounced right up at me, and with my right hand I batted it down to another reporter’s legs.

    Yes, I’ll wash that hand again.

    After watching Tebow throw for three hours, I can’t help but wonder how in the hell he ever led an NFL team to one win last year, let alone to one playoff win, as he did with the Broncos.

    Here’s the deal.

    His delivery is slow. Achingly slow. His shoulder swivel on his follow-through seems truncated to me. And when he speeds things up, he practically abandons his shoulder swivel altogether, which probably further hurts his accuracy.

    But it’s way more complex than that even.

    Greg Cosell, the NFL Films expert known for his astute critiques of player mechanics, informs me that four “departments” must work together, and fire at the right time, for a QB to be successful in the pros: legs, shoulders, hips and arm.

    Arm is only 20% of it.

    “Tebow’s legs, hips and shoulders don’t work in proper sequence,” Cosell says, “thus his arm speed is very slow. Limited velocity.”

    So, he releases it slowly and throws it slowly.

    By contrast, the Tebow Media Circus travels on hyper-speed.

    More than 80 reporters and cameramen were on hand Sunday. You cannot have claustrophobia and survive an impromptu scrum around here.

    The coverage is only intensifying. ESPN will air live reports from here all this coming week, even building a special set. All Tebow, all the time. Olympics, shmolympics.

    Tebow make news whether he seeks it or not. At the end of Saturday’s practice, held in a downpour, he removed his drenched jersey and ran off the field, bare-chested.

    Many Olympic events will not receive the same coverage from U.S. media.
    Tebow and Sanchez are speaking to the press only on a limited basis at camp. Sunday was not one of those days.

    To their credit, Sanchez and Tebow are doing all they can to avoid sparking any unintended controversy between them. It can’t be easy.

    Especially because, as Jets head coach Rex Ryan reiterated Sunday, they’re not exactly Joe Montana and Steve Young.

    Ryan also reiterated that Sanchez is the starter — full stop. But he sees value in Tebow coming in occasionally to run an alt.offence of sorts, one that we’re suspecting will be more zone-read than Wildcat.

    “As much as I loved (ex-Jet and current Buffalo Bill) Brad (Smith running the Wildcat), Brad wasn’t going to give you the inside running game that Tim can give you. And Tim can throw the ball (pause) … a little better than Brad.

    “Tebow is a guy that we know can be effective.”

    Especially running the ball. Reportedly now weighing 251 pounds — 15 pounds more than listed — Tebow is a load. He’s powerful, has good vision and is far more slippery than he’s given credit for.

    Off the field, Tebow of course is a superstar. He might now be the best-known NFLer in America. His unabashedly strong religious convictions got him there.

    Beyond all that, his teammates seem to genuinely like him, respect him, and want the best for him — just as the Broncos did, and as his University of Florida teammates did before that.

    “How can you not accept somebody who has humility, who works hard, who is a great teammate?” said veteran linebacker Bart Scott.

    “You’ve seen the cameras that follow him. Half of you guys wouldn’t be here if he wasn’t here. But he takes it all in stride, and it never affects his relationship with his teammates.”

    But they do chuckle sometimes at how news follows Tebow at every turn.

    Such as the episode in the rain on Saturday.

    “The slow-motion run,” Scott said, chuckling. “Like I told him, I’ve never seen anybody decide to take their shirt OFF in the rain. Usually I put stuff ON.

    Maybe it was holy water, I don’t know.”

    Speaking of which, it says here that if Tebow cannot dramatically improve his passing mechanics, it’ll take divine intervention to get him another starting job in the NFL.

    That said, heaven help us all if Sanchez falters this fall.

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    It's amazing how one fan's comment on a player when observing him in camp, starts a brigade of player trashing.

    When healthy, Pace is a very good player, he's a veteran now, and because he isn't playing 100 miles an hour after the first day of camp, out comes the hate?

    C'mon guys
    Well, there's no debating he hasn't exactly lived up to his cap number over the last couple of seasons. He'll likely get cut or be trade bait after this season. He must know this. It'll be interesting to see how Pace handles this.

    Who knows? Maybe because he must know he's about to be an ex-Jet, he'll come out on fire and have a great year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan View Post
    A reporter from Toronto

    Greg Cosell, the NFL Films expert known for his astute critiques of player mechanics
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    I don't think this is the first time many people have voiced their displeasure with him
    Say what you say about his contract status (but all players are over-paid to begin with, it's a game of football after all...) but Calvin Pace has been our best/most productive OLB dating back to 2008, and it's not even close.

    He's played in 56 games and has combined for 258 tackles, 23 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries and 25 sacks over the past 4 years.

    But yet, fans on this site love to look at the contract that our front office decided to give him, as a way of bashing this man as a player on the football field, when, in all actual reality, he's been nothing but productive as our best OLB over the past 4 years. Pace also put up a quiet 72 tackles (16 games played), 4.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles/1 fumble recovery last season.

    Lets not ignore and/or forget the fact that he's been our best OLB during three consecutive seasons of top 5 defensive play. He's also came up big time during the playoffs, combining for 21 tackles, 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles during 6 career playoff games as a Jet.

    Last but not least, he's only 31 years of age, and with a re-vamped defensive front (especially our defensive ends in Coples and Wilkerson who can both set the edge) I look forward to Calvin Pace having a monster season. Wouldn't be shocked to see Pace put up 7-11 sacks with 70-85 tackles with a good 2-3 fumbles forced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    Say what you say about his contract status (but all players are over-paid to begin with, it's a game of football after all...) but Calvin Pace has been our best/most productive OLB dating back to 2008, and it's not even close.

    He's played in 56 games and has combined for 258 tackles, 23 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries and 25 sacks over the past 4 years.

    But yet, fans on this site love to look at the contract that our front office decided to give him, as a way of bashing this man as a player on the football field, when, in all actual reality, he's been nothing but productive as our best OLB over the past 4 years. Pace also put up a quiet 72 tackles (16 games played), 4.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles/1 fumble recovery last season.

    Lets not ignore and/or forget the fact that he's been our best OLB during three consecutive seasons of top 5 defensive play. He's also came up big time during the playoffs, combining for 21 tackles, 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles during 6 career playoff games as a Jet.

    Last but not least, he's only 31 years of age, and with a re-vamped defensive front (especially our defensive ends in Coples and Wilkerson who can both set the edge) I look forward to Calvin Pace having a monster season. Wouldn't be shocked to see Pace put up 7-11 sacks with 70-85 tackles with a good 2-3 fumbles forced.
    Statz, 25 sacks in 56 games is not good enough. Good players get 25 sacks in half that time.

    I would be surprised to see him put up double digit sacks this year... he hasn't done it before. Why do you think that will happen now, at 31-years-old. He played 16 games last year and produced all of 4.5 sacks. How is that acceptable to you?

    I never mentioned his contract. I don't care how much money he makes.

    He's been our best OLB, but that's not saying much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff Kippington View Post
    LOL
    I'm not sure what the "LOL" is about but Cosell is very knowledgeable. Especially when it comes to QB play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY2FLDWC85 View Post
    I look forward to Calvin Pace having a monster season.
    Just out of curiosity, is there any Jet player who you DON'T think will have a monster season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan View Post
    Heres one for you to read. A reporter from Toronto:
    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    Day 3, and stop #2, of my 7-team #nflcamp tour today takes me to The Soap Opera in Cortland NY -- aka #NYJets camp. Cue cheesey organ...

    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    #NYJ first practice in pads more physical after 75 minutes by considerable margin than same at yesterday's #billscamp -- esp 9-on-7 drill

    John Kryk ‏@JohnKryk
    Column on my Tebow Touch at #NYJets camp today + why he can't throw, with my photos showing his gawdawful motion: http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/



    CORTLAND, N.Y. — I got a hand on as many Tim Tebow throws as his wide receivers did Sunday morning during his first series of 11-on-11 reps at New York Jets training camp.

    Honest ta gawd, I think I did.

    That as much as anything shows how ridiculous it is, really, that anyone might think Tebow would give the Jets a better chance to win than entrenched starter Mark Sanchez. At least in a traditional NFL offence.

    Here’s how my Tebow Touch happened.

    The pop-culture phenom went 0-for-3 on that series. His first incompletion was a swing pass to the left. He misfired, hard and high. The ball skipped up and over the advertising signs that separate the media from the main practice field at SUNY-Cortland.

    I happened to be standing at that exact spot, behind the signs, taking photographs. The ball bounced right up at me, and with my right hand I batted it down to another reporter’s legs.

    Yes, I’ll wash that hand again.

    After watching Tebow throw for three hours, I can’t help but wonder how in the hell he ever led an NFL team to one win last year, let alone to one playoff win, as he did with the Broncos.

    Here’s the deal.

    His delivery is slow. Achingly slow. His shoulder swivel on his follow-through seems truncated to me. And when he speeds things up, he practically abandons his shoulder swivel altogether, which probably further hurts his accuracy.

    But it’s way more complex than that even.

    Greg Cosell, the NFL Films expert known for his astute critiques of player mechanics, informs me that four “departments” must work together, and fire at the right time, for a QB to be successful in the pros: legs, shoulders, hips and arm.

    Arm is only 20% of it.

    “Tebow’s legs, hips and shoulders don’t work in proper sequence,” Cosell says, “thus his arm speed is very slow. Limited velocity.”

    So, he releases it slowly and throws it slowly.

    By contrast, the Tebow Media Circus travels on hyper-speed.

    More than 80 reporters and cameramen were on hand Sunday. You cannot have claustrophobia and survive an impromptu scrum around here.

    The coverage is only intensifying. ESPN will air live reports from here all this coming week, even building a special set. All Tebow, all the time. Olympics, shmolympics.

    Tebow make news whether he seeks it or not. At the end of Saturday’s practice, held in a downpour, he removed his drenched jersey and ran off the field, bare-chested.

    Many Olympic events will not receive the same coverage from U.S. media.
    Tebow and Sanchez are speaking to the press only on a limited basis at camp. Sunday was not one of those days.

    To their credit, Sanchez and Tebow are doing all they can to avoid sparking any unintended controversy between them. It can’t be easy.

    Especially because, as Jets head coach Rex Ryan reiterated Sunday, they’re not exactly Joe Montana and Steve Young.

    Ryan also reiterated that Sanchez is the starter — full stop. But he sees value in Tebow coming in occasionally to run an alt.offence of sorts, one that we’re suspecting will be more zone-read than Wildcat.

    “As much as I loved (ex-Jet and current Buffalo Bill) Brad (Smith running the Wildcat), Brad wasn’t going to give you the inside running game that Tim can give you. And Tim can throw the ball (pause) … a little better than Brad.

    “Tebow is a guy that we know can be effective.”

    Especially running the ball. Reportedly now weighing 251 pounds — 15 pounds more than listed — Tebow is a load. He’s powerful, has good vision and is far more slippery than he’s given credit for.

    Off the field, Tebow of course is a superstar. He might now be the best-known NFLer in America. His unabashedly strong religious convictions got him there.

    Beyond all that, his teammates seem to genuinely like him, respect him, and want the best for him — just as the Broncos did, and as his University of Florida teammates did before that.

    “How can you not accept somebody who has humility, who works hard, who is a great teammate?” said veteran linebacker Bart Scott.

    “You’ve seen the cameras that follow him. Half of you guys wouldn’t be here if he wasn’t here. But he takes it all in stride, and it never affects his relationship with his teammates.”

    But they do chuckle sometimes at how news follows Tebow at every turn.

    Such as the episode in the rain on Saturday.

    “The slow-motion run,” Scott said, chuckling. “Like I told him, I’ve never seen anybody decide to take their shirt OFF in the rain. Usually I put stuff ON.

    Maybe it was holy water, I don’t know.”

    Speaking of which, it says here that if Tebow cannot dramatically improve his passing mechanics, it’ll take divine intervention to get him another starting job in the NFL.

    That said, heaven help us all if Sanchez falters this fall.

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/krykslants/
    Thanks for posting. This article seems to capture the situation pretty well and should be required reading for the national media. In sum:

    1. Tebow is not a good NFL QB.

    2. Tebow IS an effective alternative QB, probably more so than Brad Smith

    3. Tebow and Sanchez get along pretty well and have been handling the situation well.

    4. Tebow's teammates like him because he's a good dude.

    5. They have no problem giving him a hard time.

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