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  1. #41
    Blaming Tannenbaum for the personnel on the team is nothing but ignorant.

    Do you realize that coaches, former coaches, and scouts all have input on that?

    These last 3 years have been the most productive in decades, and you constantly complain like a spoiled, arrogant, ignorant fan.

    I suggest you root for the Bills, since they've already clinched a first round bye.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by rextilleon View Post
    Everyone is down on Tannenbaum and so am I. But given the fact that in most pro football organizations, the head coach tells the GM what he needs, I have to hold the Mouth equally responsible for the present condition of the Jets. Mouth says to Bean Counter--more defensive players. Bean counter listens (remember he is not a pro-personal guy, he was a contract guy) and acts accordingly.

    The offense the Jets will put on the field this year will be mediocre at best. When you are all wringing your hands come December, remember that it takes a Bean Counter and a Mouth to Tango!
    Geez, you are always so miserable to read. Thanks for all your insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirorob View Post
    Agree.

    Look at the second rounder we gave up for Cro. Say we actually picked a CB who played as well as Cro has. By now, the Jets would have to be paying him more anyway. Or.... being a second rounder... he could have just sucked, it's a 50/50.
    I actually think the Jets have done pretty well with the players they have acquired for picks via trade or moving up in the draft. It is just that when you have so few picks the mistakes are amplified. This has mainly effected the OL. We could have used some of those picks on OL depth and the one lineman we drafted, Vlad, has given us nothing thus far. But that is the gamble we took. It has worked out in some areas and hurt us in others.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by chirorob View Post
    Manningham, too expensive.
    Jacobs, done.
    Reggie Wayne, 35. We need another old WR?
    Lloyd, too expensive.
    how is Lloyd for 3 years at 4 mill a year too expensive? you paid 10 mill for holmes.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by ASH_1962 View Post

    Then yesterday our genius of a GM said on ESPN radio "Jeff Otah did a great job for us the week he was here" and I almost crashed my Mountaineer into a telephone pole.
    That's because you are too dumb to understand why he was saying what he was saying. The trade was cancelled. But you don't burn your bridges with a player (or worse, his agent) by trashing him on the way out the door. What did you want the guy to say, "Otah's a slug and we're disappointed in him"? What possible good could that accomplish?


    This is the guy who is in charge of our football team. Look at this list of garbage he has had his hands in:

    Giving up many draft picks to move up to draft players who are good, but not great, and certainly not game changers
    Yeah, good but not great players like Revis and Harris. Damn. Wish we could have those extra picks back.

    Gholston
    He's had exactly one first round bust since he's been GM. That's a record most other teams would envy. Please list all the GMs who haven't had a first rounder flame out since 2006 (the year Tanny took over).

    Kyle Wilson
    A solid contributor last year who will be a solid contributor again this year. Aside from Gronkowski (who the Jets weren't going to pick having just drafted Keller), what player drafted within a round of Wilson would have been a better choice, and why?

    (Your options are: Jahvid Best, Jerry Hughes, Patrick Robinson, Roger Saffold, Chris Cook, Brian Price, Dexter McCluster, Nate Allen, TJ Ward, Arrelious Benn, Koa Misi, Torrell Troup, Gronk, Sergio Kindle, Lamarr Houston, Zane Beadles, Linval Joseph, Darryl Washington, Jimmy Claussen, Taylor Mays, Toby Gerhart, Javier Arenas, Jason Worilds, Jermaine Cunningham, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Mike Neal, Terrence Cody, Ben Tate, Montario Hardesty, Golden Tate)

    BTW, when you pick the player, please represent that you were hoping for him in round 1 back in 2010, and wouldn't have complained was a "reach". We'll go check the archives and see.

    Vlad Ducasse
    Known to be a project player and hasn't had a full offseason until now - when he's competing for LG. Let's see how this year plays out before burying him.

    Kellen Clemens
    Anthony Schlegel
    Bad picks. It happens.

    Wayne Hunter
    A misevaluation. Again, it happens.

    The Braylon debacle
    Yes, the Braylon debacle, which you can tell was a poor decision from the way 31 other GMs started a bidding war for his services the day the Jets let him go.

    Some of you need to take the blinders off and look at the evidence - there isn't a GM in the league who thinks Edwards is worth the money he was asking the Jets for. Not one. But you guys on your couches know better.
    Allowing Brad Smith to go to a division rival without even an offer
    A terrible, terrible loss, seeing as how he contributed so much to the bills, and his kick return skills weren't replaced by the Jets.

    Oh, wait, there's something off there . . .

    No Wr's, well 1 "scapegoat" WR who is both untradeable and un-releaseable due to the ridculous contract he got last year
    It was a good deal for the Jets (check Jason's analysis). Hill and Kerley are decent as No. 2 and 3 WRs.
    No Rb's or any team speed on O
    LOL. Greene averaged 4.4 ypc in weeks 4-16 last year (when the offense shifted back to run first), good for about 1,200 yards had his usage rates been the same for weeks 1-3 as it was in those later games. Not world-beating, but damn good. The backups are decent. Team speed on O is actually excellent this year; Keller and Cumberland are fast TEs, Hill, Holmes, and Schillens are all fast for WRs (Hill and Schillens in particular are burners).

    trading for a guy who fails 2 physicals in less than 1 week, then having to return him under warranty, purporting to the fans that "Otah did a great job for us the week he was here". That is amateurish at best and wreaks of someone in over their heads &/or not knowing WTF he or she is doing.
    No, it "reeks" (note the spelling) of someone who knows exactly what he was doing - making a low risk, high reward move and bailing when the reward didn't pan out, at no cost to the team, while not burning bridges.

    Also, please don't use words you don't understand, like "purport", in an attempt to make yourself sound smarter. It just makes you look dumb when you use them the wrong way.

    botching Darelle's contract to the point that I think he might just be alienated enough to seek FA next contract.
    Darelle will be extended next offseason. BTW, Darelle's contract was so "botched" that it kept him from holding out this year. Damn Tanny!

    Bringing in Tebow for what reason i still cannot fathom
    Then you haven't been paying attention.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by rextilleon View Post
    Everyone is down on Tannenbaum and so am I. But given the fact that in most pro football organizations, the head coach tells the GM what he needs, I have to hold the Mouth equally responsible for the present condition of the Jets. Mouth says to Bean Counter--more defensive players. Bean counter listens (remember he is not a pro-personal guy, he was a contract guy) and acts accordingly.

    The offense the Jets will put on the field this year will be mediocre at best. When you are all wringing your hands come December, remember that it takes a Bean Counter and a Mouth to Tango!
    Down on Tannenbaum?? The season hasn't even started yet! Can we at least see what the team looks like before we criticize?

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