NFL network is showing the Cincy scrimmage "Tebow's NY debut"
ESPN packed up and here come NFL network. How needs Hard Knocks we have full coverage anyway just less cussing
I actually think we'd all do better here if we limited our reposts to Jenny's tweets and left the others, particularly the useless #ESPNfail clowns, out in the cold.
And if we are talking about Vlad, the only people that would have the "I told you so" would be his supporters. The majority of people have been down on him since day one and his play has supported them. If he turns his play around then his apologists will have the "I told you so". Not his critics.
And anybody who roots for a player to fail to just so they can win an argument is not a fan. They are an a$$hole.
It's always easier to report bad news than good news. No one ever questions bad news.
Add to that this is his first offseason with his coaches...But people want to write him off...
Now, he still might never develop but to write him off after 2 yrs is dumb.
And before people chime in with he was drafted to play OT and failed...The NFL is littered with guys drafted as OT, but don't cut it, are moved to G and succeed..Robert Gallery is one example (#2 overall pick as an OT)..Is he a HOFer? No, but he is a good G...
Gil Brandt had him as a mid 2nd round pick
Pick Analysis: The Jets pick up a developmental prospect in Vladimir Ducasse. The Massachusetts star played offensive tackle as a collegian, but could move inside to guard for the Jets. With the team currently loaded along the line, Ducasse will have the opportunity to sit on the sideline and learn the craft before playing a bigger role in a few years.
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Last edited by C Mart; 08-04-2012 at 10:40 AM.
Saying that Ducasse has no business competing for a starting job is a damn joke.
Ducasse has also played exclusively at OT since his rookie year, and didn't have an off-season until this year.
Why do fans have such a hard time understanding that players develop at different rates and speeds? Why is every player given a 1-2 year period before he is written off regardless of circumstance?
Some fans are just straight dumb.
All we have to judge him by is his 2 years. And scouts are wrong about guys all the time. At this time, there is simply more evidence to prove that he sucks than that he will turn around. I don't think I ever said we should write him off. I said he should have to earn his way into a competition on more than just OTAs. Rex basically made him a half starter. He is in open competition.
We took him in the 2nd round and he has done nothing in 2 years. I think it is fair to expect something out of a 2nd round pick. Something, anything. We have gotten nothing thus far. And it is exacerbated by the fact that we had so few picks in those drafts.
Once again, I never said he should be cut or the curtains have closed on him. Not sure where you guys are getting that idea from. I was clear in my previous posts. You said "to write him off is dumb". I never wrote him off. All I said was that in his two years he has sucked and questioned how he could earn even footing with Slauson based off of OTAs.
And Ray, stop piggy backing. You are the king of fighting to the death and spinning every little word to try to make yourself right. How dare you.
Last edited by DDNYjets; 08-04-2012 at 11:24 AM.
I also love how you reprimand me for doing the exact things YOU do with other posters...
There is no such evidence he "sucks," there is evidence that he is a raw player who has been impacted by the lockout last year, and not having the time and work during an off-season to work and develop in a position that he can excel. He's bounced back and forth between OG and OT, and no time to work with coaches hurts bigtime for a player of his background.
When drafted, he was always considered a player with very high potential, but very minimal experience and a lot of raw ability, he was always a player that was going to need at least a couple of years to make a mark, and in Ducasse's case, that has been severely impacted due to the lockout. The problem is, fans like you don't realize this.
This is completely untrue and yet again, shameless on your part. I have no problem giving credence to other posters on this site, including you when I agree or when a point is something I've been wrong about, I don't have an ego, you do.You are the king of fighting to the death and spinning every little word to try to make yourself right.
And I'm not piggy backing anybody chump, I was the one that called you out for the same things other posters have in this thread a long time ago.
Last edited by Ray Ray19; 08-04-2012 at 11:29 AM.
Ducasse has a really nice combination of size, natural power and foot agility for an offensive lineman. Exhibits good initial quickness exploding out of his stance in the running game and getting set in pass protection. Plays with really nice leverage.
Originally from Haiti, Ducasse has a limited football background. Does not possess adequate instincts at this time and can be caught thinking on the move. Must do a better job of finishing his blocks and driving until the whistle. Needs to work on taking better blocking angles.
Draft Projection: Third
- Three year starter at UMass. 2009 FCS 1st team All American
- Dominant run blocker. Shows good balance and dominates at the point of attack
- Uses long arms to lock on to defenders and finish blocks
- Athletic frame
- Has the physical tools you look for in a lineman
- Looks the part - has rare size
- Good work ethic and very coachable
- Immigrated to the United States in 2002 from Haiti. When you listen to Ducasse speak you can hear the desire to succeed in his words
- Skills appear to fit best at guard - played left tackle at UMass, but does not have the lack of lateral quickness to play this position at the next level
- Needs to use his hands better
- Struggles with speed
- Talented yet raw. Needs to refine his technique
- Awareness is an issue. It will take Ducasse time to completely understand blitz pickups as a pass blocker
- Up and down performance at the Senior Bowl. Displayed potential but also showed he is very much a work in progress.
+ Mayock expects a run on offensive tackles in the first round, with up to four among the first nine picks and six in the opening round overall. His pecking order after Okung and Bulaga, subject to change, consists of Oklahoma’s Trent Williams, USC’s Charles Brown, Massachusetts’ Vladimir Ducasse and Maryland’s Bruce Campbell.
Mayock suggested the Cowboys could take Ducasse In the first round because of their history of favoring big offensive linemen. At the Senior Bowl, Ducasse measured at 6 feet 5 and 325 pounds. He did not show well in practices but performed well in the game. Mayock compared Ducasse to Duane Brown, who has started in each of his first two seasons with Houston.
Last edited by C Mart; 08-04-2012 at 11:50 AM.
CMart your point is well taken. But those scouting reports are useless now b.c we have the ultimate scouting report now which is 2 years of him playing against NFL competition.
Again, I did not write him off. But I think it is fair to say that after 2 years he sucks. Could that change? Of course. But I am not gong to grade him with a curve b.c they said he was a developmental prospect. Maybe some of the blame needs to go to the Jets for taking him and gambling with a 2nd round pick when they had so few picks.
So what are we to do? Is he on the five year plan like Sanchez or the nine year plan like Hunter?